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2013/01/24 02:34:08
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Well, I was reading Fulgrim in the Horus Heresy series, and on page 151, there was something that made me stop and think. It said he saw the death of humanity on a planet named for the end of the world. Could this be Armeggadon? And then he talks about a blue green giant. Is this Alpharius/Omegon of the Aplha Legion? If you've read Legion then you know that the reason they turned to Chaos was because the Cabal said it would help defeat Chaos. But right after, it said he was Horus. Did Horus have sea-green armor as a Sons of Horus? Well, I was just wondering if anyone knew about this, and thank all of you in advance for helping me out here.
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2013/01/24 02:59:57
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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There's no need to understand: xenos are liars and the Eldar are the worst liars among them all. In other words: whenever the Eldar prophesy something, its always safe to assume its false.
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2013/01/24 03:13:55
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Typhus the Betrayer wrote:Well, I was reading Fulgrim in the Horus Heresy series, and on page 151, there was something that made me stop and think. It said he saw the death of humanity on a planet named for the end of the world. Could this be Armeggadon? And then he talks about a blue green giant. Is this Alpharius/Omegon of the Aplha Legion? If you've read Legion then you know that the reason they turned to Chaos was because the Cabal said it would help defeat Chaos. But right after, it said he was Horus. Did Horus have sea-green armor as a Sons of Horus? Well, I was just wondering if anyone knew about this, and thank all of you in advance for helping me out here.
I recall (I can be corrected in a bit) that the Sons of Horus had a kind of greenish armor tint.
I doubt the planet was Arm. Sense humanity has won every battle on that planet so far. It could be that in Eldar tounge the planet is named for the end of the world but in human tounge it is named something like Terra or Davin (I dont have the book in front of me. just suggestions)
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2013/01/24 05:40:45
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Page 220 Starting three lines from the bottom of the page.
It does not say any thing about the world being Armagedon, it just means he knows the name of the planet where the end of days will happen.
The towering giant in sea green is Horus in the Sons of Horus colours.
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Come into my web, said the spider to the fly.
Come rest your wings, and let us talk eye to eye.
For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
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2013/01/24 06:07:42
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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He meant Armageddon yes. It's implying something will happen here eventually that will end the imperium.
Expect this never to play out of course.
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2013/01/24 06:09:48
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Terrifying Treeman
The Fallen Realm of Umbar
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Admiral Valerian wrote:There's no need to understand: xenos are liars and the Eldar are the worst liars among them all. In other words: whenever the Eldar prophesy something, its always safe to assume its false.
Totally Untrue
"Ask not the Eldar a question, for they will give you three answers, all of which are true and terrifying to know."
-Inquisitor Czevak
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2013/01/24 06:10:59
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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Krellnus wrote: Admiral Valerian wrote:There's no need to understand: xenos are liars and the Eldar are the worst liars among them all. In other words: whenever the Eldar prophesy something, its always safe to assume its false.
Totally Untrue "Ask not the Eldar a question, for they will give you three answers, all of which are true and terrifying to know." -Inquisitor Czevak The Emperor's truth is enough. All else are lies that wither against his truth.
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2013/01/24 06:16:15
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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I disagree Harriticus, the line says he knows where the end time will happen, not the planet is named after the name for the end of the world. Though I can see how it could be read that way. (reads the passage again) positive.
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Come into my web, said the spider to the fly.
Come rest your wings, and let us talk eye to eye.
For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
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2013/01/24 06:17:30
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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Themanwiththeplan wrote:I disagree Harriticus, the line says he knows where the end time will happen, not the planet is named after the name for the end of the world. Though I can see how it could be read that way. (reads the passage again) positive.
Do you actually believe Eldrad was telling the truth?
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2013/01/24 06:34:39
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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No not at all, I know better than to trust that Eldar scum
But the text is clear, sorry folks it's not armageddon. I think it hints at the Davin moon where Horus fell to chaos.
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Come into my web, said the spider to the fly.
Come rest your wings, and let us talk eye to eye.
For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
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2013/01/24 07:23:27
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Beast of Nurgle
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Bloody Xenos scum why should we listen to their so called predictions of doom when they couldn't even see their own downfall
If Eldrad was so good he should of just killed Fulgrim before Fulgrim could stop him instead of having a nice chat about the weather and doom of the human race
Seems reasonable that it is Davin especially with Horus
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2013/01/24 08:00:55
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Admiral Valerian wrote:There's no need to understand: xenos are liars and the Eldar are the worst liars among them all. In other words: whenever the Eldar prophesy something, its always safe to assume its false.
This, and add a fact that most of the time Elar visions are false.
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2013/01/24 08:02:02
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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Brother Captain Alexander wrote: Admiral Valerian wrote:There's no need to understand: xenos are liars and the Eldar are the worst liars among them all. In other words: whenever the Eldar prophesy something, its always safe to assume its false.
This, and add a fact that most of the time Elar visions are false.
Or worse, touched by Tzeentch.
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2013/01/24 08:07:03
Subject: Re:In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Emboldened Warlock
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If I recall correctly, Eldrad also warned the Emperor of Horus' impending betrayal. A warning the Emprah chose to ignore, and look how that turned out. If the Emperor was so great he would have used his own supposed powers of perception to notice the heresy in his son that he hung out with all the time. Face it. Big E dropped the ball hard.
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2013/01/24 08:13:14
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Sneaky Sniper Drone
Canada
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GhostKnight31 wrote:Bloody Xenos scum why should we listen to their so called predictions of doom when they couldn't even see their own downfall
If Eldrad was so good he should of just killed Fulgrim before Fulgrim could stop him instead of having a nice chat about the weather and doom of the human race
Seems reasonable that it is Davin especially with Horus
You have to remember, Eldrad is a massive dick. Everywhere in the fluff, he's either bragging about not being a monkey, or trying to screw over every other race.
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2013/01/24 08:16:30
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Fixture of Dakka
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I, for one, am inclined to believe the "bloody xenos".
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"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2013/01/24 08:29:14
Subject: Re:In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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GimbleMuggernaught wrote:If I recall correctly, Eldrad also warned the Emperor of Horus' impending betrayal. A warning the Emprah chose to ignore, and look how that turned out.
Uh..... Eldrad 'warned' the Emperor by mettign and telling that to Fulgrim who was already corrupted. Emperor and Eldrad never meet in person.
Nice try dough.
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2013/01/24 08:49:41
Subject: Re:In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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Brother Captain Alexander wrote: GimbleMuggernaught wrote:If I recall correctly, Eldrad also warned the Emperor of Horus' impending betrayal. A warning the Emprah chose to ignore, and look how that turned out. Uh..... Eldrad 'warned' the Emperor by mettign and telling that to Fulgrim who was already corrupted. Emperor and Eldrad never meet in person. Nice try dough. Supposedly Eldrad is the only other person apart from Malcador and himself to know the Emperor's true name. Maybe they did meet once before, during the Old Night, and it didn't end well. Eldrad might have tried to talk the Emperor out of his plans, and got the short end of the stick as a result. 797th Red Tigers wrote: GhostKnight31 wrote:Bloody Xenos scum why should we listen to their so called predictions of doom when they couldn't even see their own downfall If Eldrad was so good he should of just killed Fulgrim before Fulgrim could stop him instead of having a nice chat about the weather and doom of the human race Seems reasonable that it is Davin especially with Horus
You have to remember, Eldrad is a massive dick. Everywhere in the fluff, he's either bragging about not being a monkey, or trying to screw over every other race. Hear hear
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2013/01/24 09:16:47
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Fixture of Dakka
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So... When Eldrad tried to warn Fulgrim that Horus would turn to Chaos, he was wrong?
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2013/01/24 09:24:20
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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Just Dave wrote:So... When Eldrad tried to warn Fulgrim that Horus would turn to Chaos, he was wrong?
Yup. Because he chose the wrong person as an intermediary, and he couldn't even see Fulgrim had already fallen. Some seer...
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2013/01/24 10:24:57
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Just Dave wrote:So... When Eldrad tried to warn Fulgrim that Horus would turn to Chaos, he was wrong?
Of course he was wrong, he was trying to warn the person that was already under the influence of Chaos, the daemon inside Fulgim's sword told him to kill Eldrad and all Eldar around him.
If Eldrad decided to go directly to Terra and warn the Emperor things would turn out differently...
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2013/01/24 10:30:08
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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2013/01/24 12:13:21
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Brother Captain Alexander wrote: Just Dave wrote:So... When Eldrad tried to warn Fulgrim that Horus would turn to Chaos, he was wrong?
Of course he was wrong, he was trying to warn the person that was already under the influence of Chaos, the daemon inside Fulgim's sword told him to kill Eldrad and all Eldar around him.
If Eldrad decided to go directly to Terra and warn the Emperor things would turn out differently...
Fulgrim was deemed to be the best choice if I recall and Fulgrim himself, unbelievably, wasn't aware he was under the the influence of Chaos at that time.
How do you propose that Eldrard went to the Emperor directly?
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2013/01/24 12:19:00
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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Pilau Rice wrote: Brother Captain Alexander wrote: Just Dave wrote:So... When Eldrad tried to warn Fulgrim that Horus would turn to Chaos, he was wrong?
Of course he was wrong, he was trying to warn the person that was already under the influence of Chaos, the daemon inside Fulgim's sword told him to kill Eldrad and all Eldar around him.
If Eldrad decided to go directly to Terra and warn the Emperor things would turn out differently...
Fulgrim was deemed to be the best choice if I recall and Fulgrim himself, unbelievably, wasn't aware he was under the the influence of Chaos at that time.
How do you propose that Eldrard went to the Emperor directly?
Send an emissary asking for a diplomatic meeting between the himself, the Seer Council, the Emperor, and the Council of Terra?
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2013/01/24 12:21:29
Subject: In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Admiral Valerian wrote:
Send an emissary asking for a diplomatic meeting between the himself, the Seer Council, the Emperor, and the Council of Terra?
Not directly though is it, also the problem of getting to Terra would be an issue.
However, with a Primarch and a Legion at your side, that would be much safer wouldn't it.
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2013/01/24 12:57:11
Subject: Re:In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Admiral Valerian wrote:Supposedly Eldrad is the only other person apart from Malcador and himself to know the Emperor's true name.
His true name is either Geoff or Dave. This is official...It says here.
And on topic - especially 'The Emperor's Children' - visiting terra with them at your side might work. Because if you were eldar on your own, they'd just obliterate you. Or kidnap eldrad and make him explain how the webway gates work.
Chaos is quite good at hiding from everyone when it wants to. The corrupted sword of the laer didn't feature in anyone's visions. The eldar probably thought Fulgrim would've been clever enough to 'not pick up the evil demon sword'.
Just think - If the poor mon-keigh had actually managed to listen to an accurate warning, then all this would've been avoided/mitigated.
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
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2013/01/24 17:46:46
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Excellent point. There's no reason why the Ruinous Powers couldn't use Craftworld Eldar in their schemes. Craftworlders refuse to cooperate with Chaos, obviously, but it has been demonstrated again and again that Chaos does not need your permission.
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2013/01/24 18:44:22
Subject: Re:In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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PredaKhaine wrote:Chaos is quite good at hiding from everyone when it wants to. The corrupted sword of the laer didn't feature in anyone's visions.
That's actually an interesting point. Maybe the Eldar just didn't see the sword at all because Slaanesh knows how to nullify their powers?
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2013/01/24 18:51:46
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Yes, the Sons of Horus had green armor. The Luna Wolves had cream white -> Sons of Horus had green -> Black Legion has black. So the Eldar lies are true enough to be believed by those who dont know enough to burn the xenos on sight.
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2013/01/24 19:05:13
Subject: Re:In Fulgrim The Eldrad Said Something...
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Sure are a lot of Imperial players here.
"Most of the time, Eldar visions are false" lol, what a crock of gak.
Eldrad was right, Horus laid the Emperor low, come at me bro.
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