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So that begs the question then. Misunderstanding or fabrication?

It could be they're selling off the old sculpts as bundle deals. (3) $25 Crisis suits for only $75.

I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."

"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
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 Savageconvoy wrote:
So that begs the question then. Misunderstanding or fabrication?

It could be they're selling off the old sculpts as bundle deals. (3) $25 Crisis suits for only $75.


Unlikely. They never do that.

Current XV-8 model would be acceptable if the ankles weren't so skinny and arms were better looking. FW battlesuits fix worst problems.

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Just for completeness:



New Black Library exclusive – Shadowsun
From Dan Harden, White Dwarf Daily at 15:03 GMT

Black Library's latest novella - Shadowsun: The Last of Kiru's Line - goes on pre-order today and what a cracking read it is! Usually when a new book comes into the office Adam and Andrew get first pick (mostly because they're bigger than me), but seeing as I'm the Tau collector in the White Dwarf office I donned my stealth suit and sneaked this novella away while they weren't looking.

The novella follows the story of Shadowsun - the highest ranking military commander in the Tau Empire. Curiously the story isn't about all-out warfare, but a survival mission, pitting Shadowsun and her cadre agains the defenders of an Imperial planet. While the novella may not be very long, it is packed full of exciting information about the Tau race, from battlesuit technology and weapons to Tau physiology and emotions. Much of the story is told from Shadowsun's point of view and flits between her sadness at the death of her sister to her anger at the forces of the Imperium. If you're into your Tau then this book is a definite must-read.

(Emphasis mine)
On preorder since today, £12.00
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=&prodId=prod1980009a


Also on preorder for a release next week:
Firecaste

In the jungles of the Dolorosa Coil, a coalition of alien tau and human deserters have waged war upon the Imperium for countless years. Fresh Imperial Guard forces from the Arkhan Confederates are sent in to break the stalemate and annihilate the xenos. But greater forces are at work, and the Confederates soon find themselves broken and scattered. As they fight a desperate guerrilla war, their only hope may lie in the hands of a disgraced commissar, hell-bent on revenge.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440341a&prodId=prod1980017a ( £8.99)


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I definately want to look into the Shadowsun book, but Firecaste scares me. I'm really expecting a scene where the Commisar armed only with a laspistol manages to take down an entire squad of battle suits on his own.


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Standard look on the suit in the picture though. Only thing that I have trouble seeing is the weapon. Some dual twin-barrel gun of some kind. At first I thought it was the burst cannon, but it's clearly not.

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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."

"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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Wow, that book its really cheap O_o or the price tags for books on spain are really out of the chart... number of pages?

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If they keep with the terrible block look of the crisis suits it'd kill it for me.

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That looks like a Burst Cannon to me. It just has some funny shadows, and a bit more detail than the models.

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shaso_iceborn wrote:There was much talk of refining the Tau codex weapons list. This is simply one of the ways we have heard about. I almost didn't post here at all but when I came on I had lots of PMs with support, with that said I will post this much for those who support messengers.

The mini ally dex has to my understanding been incorporated into the codex at the beginning of the book and will no longer be a separate compendium.

There is a Kroot HQ, but not in the conventional sense and he cannot command "Tau" forces (unless they bring back Prok but I have heard nothing on him)

Farsight will have a new model, it looks similar to the gamesday one.

Rail Rifles, Rail Guns, and Rail Cannons are the way they are distinguishing different rail type weapons in the new codex.

There will be 2 "new" special characters, one we may have seen before. (Aun'shi I think but do not have confirmation)

All I am giving for now will update later.


And to the those who said ignore the haters, thanks for the support and well wishes.

To the haterz, I only post what I am told, I honestly wish I was making it up sometimes as it would be easier than defending myself from certain people. Information comes, I pass along, nothing more, if I was making it up I would do something less dramatic.

Neko wrote:No new crisis suits, just a repackaging. I do believe the pathfinders are plastic though, and with a Big Drone too.
The new rules regarding overwatch look to be good for both gunline and mobile Tau. The key in either case is to make sure that your units are supporting each other, which has been a ke theme for Tau from the start anyway.

BTW, the 2 flyers are a bomber and a gunship - no transport. Incidently, they look a little like upscaled TX-42s
(...)
I suspect the Broadside change is also to bring the rules more in line with the model. The Broadside railguns have always looked to be about midway between a railrifle and a Hammerhead's railgun.

Edit: Also, for the conspiracy theorists, why would GW nerf the Broadside in favour of selling new models when the Broadside is a new model?
So are folks thinking they wont redo the krootox or kroot hounds? I had also heard a rumor of kroot hawks? Neko can you add anything regarding kroot?

Only that there's none in the new battleforce box.

The Dude wrote:Ethereals buff units that they join with a selection of effects. One such effect gives an extra shot. This combined with a piece of wargear that adds 6" max range to the squad means that it's possible to rapid fire 3 shots at 18".
Apparently this can potentially be 4 if the Fire Warrior special character is also attached.

Riptide is rumoured to be around 165 base but only start with twin-linked Plasma.

The Ion Accelerator is apparently an upgrade: three S7 AP3 shots or one S8 AP2 Large Blast.

There's supposedly a special rule on the Riptide called Nova Accelerator which can do 4 things:
Buff weaponry (unsure how or which weapons)
Double the shots of support weapons (missile pods ect)
Increase invulnerable save to 3++
Boost a stat (unknown which or by how much)

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 Kroothawk wrote:

The Dude wrote:Ethereals buff units that they join with a selection of effects. One such effect gives an extra shot. This combined with a piece of wargear that adds 6" max range to the squad means that it's possible to rapid fire 3 shots at 18".
Apparently this can potentially be 4 if the Fire Warrior special character is also attached.

Riptide is rumoured to be around 165 base but only start with twin-linked Plasma.

The Ion Accelerator is apparently an upgrade: three S7 AP3 shots or one S8 AP2 Large Blast.

There's supposedly a special rule on the Riptide called Nova Accelerator which can do 4 things:
Buff weaponry (unsure how or which weapons)
Double the shots of support weapons (missile pods ect)
Increase invulnerable save to 3++
Boost a stat (unknown which or by how much)


Now these sound interesting. I like to see buffs stack and what fun combos you can create with them.

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Thanks, Kroothawk. Appreciate the updates.

But if the Riptide doesn't have a Railcannon, flyers won't have a railgun at all, and none on the Broadside then will Hammerhead be the only High S weapon to deal with A13/14?
Is there some new Railgun special rule I'm missing?
The Riptide looks more like a better Hammerhead with a combination of submunition and Ion Cannon.


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And who wants to bet the Nova Accelerator buffs are random?


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You also have to look closely at the cover art. Each gun only has two barrels, one over the other with the two guns side by side. The burst cannons contain four total barrels on one rotating piece. That gun wouldn't be able to rotate so I'm guessing it's not a burst cannon.

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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."

"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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Glad to see that Shadowsun is being established to have the same kit so soon to the codex update, always loved her model and play-style.

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 Savageconvoy wrote:
T
You also have to look closely at the cover art. Each gun only has two barrels, one over the other with the two guns side by side. The burst cannons contain four total barrels on one rotating piece. That gun wouldn't be able to rotate so I'm guessing it's not a burst cannon.


It looks to me like they added a secondary stabilizer closer to the Battlesuit hand, and that it is a single full ring at the end with 4 barrels attached, but there is a bit of heavy shadow that could be a divide, or just poorly drawn shadowing. But then I have difficulty with some colors, and you are likely correct.

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Actually you're right. I mistook the very heavy shadowing, which looks a bit out of place to me, for a divide. That thing looks insanely thick for a burst cannon though.

I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."

"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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That shadowsun book.
I forsee my Nook getting pretty full.

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 megatrons2nd wrote:
 Savageconvoy wrote:
T
You also have to look closely at the cover art. Each gun only has two barrels, one over the other with the two guns side by side. The burst cannons contain four total barrels on one rotating piece. That gun wouldn't be able to rotate so I'm guessing it's not a burst cannon.


It looks to me like they added a secondary stabilizer closer to the Battlesuit hand, and that it is a single full ring at the end with 4 barrels attached, but there is a bit of heavy shadow that could be a divide, or just poorly drawn shadowing. But then I have difficulty with some colors, and you are likely correct.

It's a burst cannon, clear as day. I might ask what resolution/monitor are you using? On my iPad, there is no mistaking it. I also have the iBooks version of Fire Caste, and I can confirm on the cover image it is also clearly a burst cannon. What is confusing you (aside from shadows) is probably what you would call a mid-barrel clamp on an M61 Vulcan cannon, which a burst cannon superficially resembles, which is not present on any of the burst cannons currently on models. Nothing new to see here.

I can say that I'm looking forward to the Shadowsun novella, and it is just another piece that may be pointing to a possible April release for Tau, in accordance with the rumors.

Oh, and for those of you wondering about Fire Caste, it's not bad so far, but it's somewhat slow in the beginning. I still don't know why it says for release next week...I've had the book for almost a week now.

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 Savageconvoy wrote:
And who wants to bet the Nova Accelerator buffs are random?


That's a strange way to spell "cinematic"!


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Man, The rumors are pouring in by the hour.

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I look forward to the release of the Shadowsun novella. I expect good reading from the perspective of a renown Shadowsun piloting an experimental stealth suit. I hope it reveals more on how Tau views gender and tactics employed by a commander who favors stealth.

Firecaste front cover scares me. I hope it doesn't turn out to be a an over the top rambo like story with a vengeful Commissar single handily taking out a whole Tau cadre. Up until now, it's been speculative of what Tau do to prisoners of war or those who don't embrace the greater good. Most of the arguments have been made around the Dawn of War computer game series. It seems Firecaste might show light on the darker side of the greater good.

On a side note, I'm surprised none of the Black Library authors have wrote a story telling Farsight's past. It seems it would be quite a tale to tell.

   
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Years ago, I played around writing about Shadowsun as she is one of my favorite characters and I wanted to flesh out some of the ideas I had about Tau ideology and sensibilities:

I pre-ordered the Shadowsun novella yesterday and am eager to see what it reveals about her and her culture. Beyond all the new units and build potential, I am excited for a new dex primarily to learn more about the Tau perspective and background. There are more than a few tantalizing hints in the the Tau Empire book and I generally like how GW has put more flesh on the bones of the xenos factions in the last few years.

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Frankly it's shocking how little has been written on the xeno races, and how utterly poorly they've been portrayed.
Most BL books are of no interest to me.
I did enjoy the Eldar trilogy. However, I hated how all 3 books take place in the same time frame, just 3 different perspectives. I think they could have conveyed the same info about the Eldar, still use the 3 perspectives, but make the story line more epic. There was such potential!

I LOVED the first DE book, and I plan to get the 2nd one. That story line is simply amazing. Andy Chambers is probably the best writer of everyone in the BL. Maybe if GW cared about quality they wouldn't have lost his extraordinary talents to Blizzard.

I think Tau books would be great if done right. SWAT team tactics, snipers, high tech military gadgets, stealth, politics, etc. The subject matter is a recipe for sci-fi amazingness.

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 Archonate wrote:
Frankly it's shocking how little has been written on the xeno races, and how utterly poorly they've been portrayed.
Gotta say, the Tau Empire dex is chock full of very interesting hints. I'd say Tau have been portrayed very well in that sense, i.e., in making them appear unique and interesting. But there is so little of it, especially in the way of BL stuff. I guess the trouble with xenos is that there's a risk when you explore them in greater detail that they lose the mystique that makes them seem alien in the first place. Granted, a talented author can certainly craft sympathetic characters without overly "humanizing" them. I have high hopes in regard to the Shadowsun novella since, given what we know from the current dex, she lost her sisters. The trauma of losing loved ones is relateable BUT what exactly that means in the context of Tau society is something we know pretty much nothing about.

Looking at this rumor about new Kroot and Vespid HQ choices, I'm hoping a new dex will give us some more fluff on the non-Tau races, too.

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Sorry to go wish listing, but the Broadside/Hammerhead debate could be mostly resolved if the new marker lights allow twin-linking as one of he options.

I think that might have been one of the rumours a while back, but I honestly can't remember, there's been so many variations flying around.

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 ShatteredBlade wrote:
If they keep with the terrible block look of the crisis suits it'd kill it for me.


I'm just assuming this "no suits" rumor is bs, based on how utterly fething stupid GW would have to be to ignore quite literally the entire Tau fanbase again, who have all been begging for new crisis suits since even before the Tau Empire update. Tau players already have all the suits they'll ever need, that are either fully magnetized or they're prepared to rip off old weapons and glue new ones on if optimal load-outs change (which is what I've been doing myself all this time because I couldn't be bothered to feth with magnets and how do they work anyway?), so repackaging the same old ugly suits isn't going to make them any more money, except from these so-called "new players" who people insist are still buying into GW despite the prices being so stupidly high (this gak was off-putting to me even back in 2006-07, I debated with myself for weeks before I finally bought my first Tau models, a troop+transport deal at my local store, and after that a battleforce that I got a 10% discount on), but they would have to buy the new ones anyway, so new designs will still make more money. Refusing to update this ugly kit once again is just deliberate trolling, I don't know how else to describe it.

As for Tau fluff, it always irritated me how people basically summed them up as the "animu army" and nothing more. Tau are a lot more interesting than that, personally I liked how they felt like the most "modern" of every 40k army, even the reliance on drones is kinda topical right now and personally I wish they'd do more with that instead. I don't have very high hopes for the new codex because it seems the people left in the design studio are subscribing to that "animu" mentality as well, because the best idea they can come up with for a new unit is a stupid fething anime trope. I like big robots just fine, but it doesn't fit with Tau design philosophy, and reeks too much of someone thinking "Well Tau are anime so they need Gundams." Add to that fact that our rumored flyers are apparently garbage, AV10 with S6 guns...seriously, the technologically bakcwards Imperium can strap no less than three twin-linked lascannons to their aircraft, but the Tau, despite having done this before with the tigershark, can't figure out how to put a single rail weapon on theirs? I sincerely hope the new flyers have some bs wargear that makes up for their paper-thin armor because I don't imagine GW selling very many of these kits otherwise, and of course in the end it won't be because GW wrote stupid fething rules for it, but because "Tau aren't popular anymore, let's not look at updating them again for at least a decade." In any case, there doesn't seem to be much here for a Tau player to get excited about.

GW are already on thin ice with me after what they did with Dark Eldar, buying into that army and rewarding them for finally listening to the fanbase that had been asking for them literally every single year at Games Day was probably one of the worst things I could have ever done, second only to buying into this gakky fething game in the first place. I don't think I've ever felt more betrayed (by a games company anyway). 6th edition has ruined 40k for me, and that likely won't change even if GW did Tau justice, but I can at least buy the new models and paint them up while holding out hope that GW will un-feth their game with the next edition. If this codex blows then I think it will be the final nail in the coffin for me, and based on what we know so far, it's not looking good.

Also, if you want to argue that the "riptide" does somehow fit into Tau design philosophy because they have the broadsides then by all means, please do, because broadsides are one of my least favorite Tau units. I love the FW models, don't get me wrong, but they were always too slow and static for me. I stubbornly insisted on using my hammerheads until about halfway through 5th edition when I finally caved and started using broadsides in my lists, because it became apparent I was going to have to in order to do anything but lose or force a draw. No, winning isn't "everything", but it's also not any fun to play a game all the time and literally never win, no matter how hard you try, no matter how many different units you experiment with or different tactics you try to employ.

But no, I don't like giant stompy robots for Tau. I always liked how, contrary to what everyone would expect from the animu army, they thought the idea of slow, ponderous robots like titans were impractical and instead developed superior aircraft and bombers when they needed more firepower. I still find it funny to imagine a warhound or reaver clumsily stomping through Skull City and getting knocked flat on its ass from a pair of rail cannon shots from tigersharks doing a flyby. "Where is your machine god now?"

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I know your pain man. (long time Wood Elf player, GW be damned in my book), but the end is not neigh. I like you like the Tau fluff, but don't see it as animu. I like to think of it more as what the imperium might have been before the fall of man and his wars.

With that in mind, I was hoping for less animu like units (aka riptide). But there is hope! Many of the rumors state rules changes to FWs, and ethreals. Things that represent a very combined arms approach that a futurist and high tech force might use.

Ethreals providing buffs to firewarriors, FW commander leading the troops forward. Support fire from redesigned pathfinders and their big drone(Sniper drone?) Hammerheads rounds streaking overhead, forcing the oppossing infantry to walk toward our awaiting sharpshooters. Speedy light armor attempt to flank our lines, but and streak missile flys from the cloud, leaving a burning wreckage, and suddenly a Razorfin (trademarked, lol) appears from the clouds, ramjets leaving a trail in the sky.

This is how I picture Tau, and I believe the rumors might still bring my (our) dreams to reality.

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I know your pain man. (long time Wood Elf player, GW be damned in my book), but the end is not neigh. I like you like the Tau fluff, but don't see it as animu. I like to think of it more as what the imperium might have been before the fall of man and his wars.

With that in mind, I was hoping for less animu like units (aka riptide). But there is hope! Many of the rumors state rules changes to FWs, and ethreals. Things that represent a very combined arms approach that a futurist and high tech force might use.

Ethreals providing buffs to firewarriors, FW commander leading the troops forward. Support fire from redesigned pathfinders and their big drone(Sniper drone?) Hammerheads rounds streaking overhead, forcing the oppossing infantry to walk toward our awaiting sharpshooters. Speedy light armor attempt to flank our lines, but and streak missile flys from the cloud, leaving a burning wreckage, and suddenly a Razorfin (trademarked, lol) appears from the clouds, ramjets leaving a trail in the sky.

This is how I picture Tau, and I believe the rumors might still bring my (our) dreams to reality.


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This is exactly how the Tau should be. I love the combined arms, luring the overly confident unit into a kill box, playing to strengths and minimising weaknesses approach. People shouldn't get too upset just yet, there is hope, there is time to make changes to your own play styles and not be condemned! After all the Tau are all about versatility!

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 Sidstyler wrote:
As for Tau fluff, it always irritated me how people basically summed them up as the "animu army" and nothing more. Tau are a lot more interesting than that, personally I liked how they felt like the most "modern" of every 40k army, even the reliance on drones is kinda topical right now and personally I wish they'd do more with that instead. I don't have very high hopes for the new codex because it seems the people left in the design studio are subscribing to that "animu" mentality as well, because the best idea they can come up with for a new unit is a stupid fething anime trope.


I remember reading that Tau were heavily influenced by anime tropes in the designer notes published in White Dwarf when Tau first came out back in 3rd edition. Retaining that influence doesn't mean the design studio has become corrupt-- it's what they were thinking in the first place!

 Sidstyler wrote:
Add to that fact that our rumored flyers are apparently garbage, AV10 with S6 guns...seriously, the technologically bakcwards Imperium can strap no less than three twin-linked lascannons to their aircraft, but the Tau, despite having done this before with the tigershark, can't figure out how to put a single rail weapon on theirs? I sincerely hope the new flyers have some bs wargear that makes up for their paper-thin armor because I don't imagine GW selling very many of these kits otherwise, and of course in the end it won't be because GW wrote stupid fething rules for it, but because "Tau aren't popular anymore, let's not look at updating them again for at least a decade." In any case, there doesn't seem to be much here for a Tau player to get excited about.


Wait and see. Personally, as a Tau player I am very excited. Your mileage may vary, of course, but I think things are looking really good. Keep in mind also that if the Broadside rumors are true, Tau won't need air superiority flyers-- air-to-ground will have it covered, so the air force will be free to wreak havoc on the enemy ground units.

 Sidstyler wrote:
GW are already on thin ice with me after what they did with Dark Eldar, buying into that army and rewarding them for finally listening to the fanbase that had been asking for them literally every single year at Games Day was probably one of the worst things I could have ever done, second only to buying into this gakky fething game in the first place. I don't think I've ever felt more betrayed (by a games company anyway).


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The Dude wrote:The Ion Accelerator is apparently an upgrade: three S7 AP3 shots or one S8 AP2 Large Blast.


Not sure if this will only be on the Riptides, or if Hammerheads will get this same version. But regardless, this will be a HUGE game changer in a lot of ways, more so than the Baleflamer. Why, do you ask? Well, markerlights = no cover save, S8 AP2 blast = pretty much any non-Hammernator infantry gets splatted. Beautiful way to clear objectives or to handle annoying deathstars. This would neatly solve Draigowing, most Deathwing builds, most Ravenwing builds, that DEldar invisible beastpack, Wraiths to some degree, Seer Councils to some degree. Oh, and it adds in some much-needed anti-horde for Tau, since most people aren't running Hammerheads for the S6 large blast. Hopefully we'll get more AFPs in the mix as well, though that's wishlisting.

Just beautiful. Especially since all my HHs already have Ion Cannons built on them.

From the Warseer forums:
Neko wrote:Seeker missiles can now be carried on suits

Opens some interesting possibilities - given DS, etc - but if they're still 10pts each and need marker hits to use, that's less than awesome. Does continue to make front AV less important in factoring how hard it is to kill armor, though,

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Veskrashen wrote:
The Dude wrote:The Ion Accelerator is apparently an upgrade: three S7 AP3 shots or one S8 AP2 Large Blast.


Not sure if this will only be on the Riptides, or if Hammerheads will get this same version. But regardless, this will be a HUGE game changer in a lot of ways, more so than the Baleflamer. Why, do you ask? Well, markerlights = no cover save, S8 AP2 blast = pretty much any non-Hammernator infantry gets splatted. Beautiful way to clear objectives or to handle annoying deathstars. This would neatly solve Draigowing, most Deathwing builds, most Ravenwing builds, that DEldar invisible beastpack, Wraiths to some degree, Seer Councils to some degree. Oh, and it adds in some much-needed anti-horde for Tau, since most people aren't running Hammerheads for the S6 large blast. Hopefully we'll get more AFPs in the mix as well, though that's wishlisting.

Just beautiful. Especially since all my HHs already have Ion Cannons built on them.

From the Warseer forums:
Neko wrote:Seeker missiles can now be carried on suits

Opens some interesting possibilities - given DS, etc - but if they're still 10pts each and need marker hits to use, that's less than awesome. Does continue to make front AV less important in factoring how hard it is to kill armor, though,


werent marker lights being changed........ so i wouldnt be counting on removing cover saves

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 Kingsley wrote:
Keep in mind also that if the Broadside rumors are true, Tau won't need air superiority flyers-- air-to-ground will have it covered, so the air force will be free to wreak havoc on the enemy ground units.


Except that if flyers are really a problem for you, the Broadsides won't really do much more than the previous version. If it's true then the 85pt S8 version will be 20% increase in cost to go from 20% chance to penetrate an A12 flyer to 25% chance. Though if they throw in Missile pods vice SMS, then I could see them being very expensive but useful AA platforms. Maybe Railguns won't be the only primary weapon for them, and maybe we'll get access to some of that weird new Ion weaponry that seems to be good at messing up vehicles.

And I wonder if the large blast Ion Accelerator will be worth it. I doubt it's large blast, because why would you ever fire it as S7 AP3?

And how would suits carry seeker missiles? I don't remember a mention of Seeker missiles being replenishable, so they'd probably still be one shot weaponry. They're large, so they'd probably take a hardpoint on a suit or just be prohibitively expensive.

I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."

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