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And it is sort of based around a love triangle..


This is a late reply to to the space opera comment.

 judgedoug wrote:

In fact, everyone subscribed to Palladium's updates or, in fact, to the Kickstarter updates, was informed of RPG Tactics shipping.

In a way. I received the mail with the KS update because I have KS configured that way, but I have yet to receive a mail from PB regarding the shipping, at all.

I think we're muddying what is considered 'shipping notification' here.

They said back in, what, early September that they were starting shipping!

And then over the weeks that followed, we ascertained that they had only shipped out core boxes and some small packs, like "a box of Destroids only" or "a sheet of decals".

Then in early October they said "okay now shipping is beginning in earnest!"

And said they were aiming to have a good thousand Battle Cry boxes out in the next week.

But due to containers being held up for weeks, they omitted/neglected to mention (possibly because they didn't think it relevant at the time) that once those boxes went out, they were going to have to sit on their thumbs until another container arrived.

And so we've been advised recently of the big 2 weeks of shipping at the end of October and early November.

So I think a little skepticism about them and anything shipping related is kind of reasonable. This isn't "omg rawr Palladium bad!", but "... historically these guys have overstated their case pretty much every time, so until personal notifications go out, it remains to be seen".

Even the current 2 week shippingpocalypse is predicated on containers 3, 4 and possibly 5 (or more?) arriving in a timely fashion. Which... has not happened yet (in that C1 and C2 hit delays of one sort or another, as have 3 and 4, so further delays would be the standard at this point).

Long story short; PB has 'informed people that shipping was beginning', but that statement had, like, a half dozen asterisks and caveats attached to it.

 Forar wrote:
Am I mistaken, or didn't you give the demo a whirl back at Gencon?

If so, it'll be interesting to hear your thoughts comparing the two experiences. How it seems to have evolved (any rules changes in the demo material to full release), and how the 'full rules' hold up under use.

My minis experience is just Malifaux, but across a massive breadth of video and board game experiences, I'm interested in how the mechanics interact, especially the asymmetrical options, such as the faction abilities, viability of character choices, etc.

Nah, I wasn't at Gencon. Hmm... Manchu went but I don't think he did the demo, just looked at all the minis and stuff.

We'll just be playing the first few intro scenarios in the book to come to grips with the rules in practice (I've read the rulebook now a few times and am fairly comfortable with the rules - they're quite simple, actually, and look to be kind of fun. However, that may not pan out in reality)

I'll take some pics, too. Been building some microscale terrain recently. Lots of micro buildings from Gamecraft, a ton of trees, and got lots of little cars and stuff from various online vendors.

From facebook:

"Wayne Smith

I can't keep commenting here because container 3 arrived this morning and we're trying to get a ton of packages sent out today, so I'll just say this. Wave Two was all "sculpted" long ago. Now the engineers are taking those 3D sculpts and translating them into the format they need to tool the molds. They've been working on that for quite a while, and much of it is done for Wave 2, but we're still making last minute fixes on some, more significant adjustments to others. The engineering renders are what I was referring to in a recent update.

And yes, if we hadn't split into two waves, we'd all still be waiting to get anything manufactured. There was really no choice but to split them up. The two waves haven't complicated shipping at all. Mostly it's just been waiting to get more product that has slowed us down."

 Swabby wrote:
From facebook:

"Wayne Smith

I can't keep commenting here because container 3 arrived this morning and we're trying to get a ton of packages sent out today, so I'll just say this. Wave Two was all "sculpted" long ago. Now the engineers are taking those 3D sculpts and translating them into the format they need to tool the molds. They've been working on that for quite a while, and much of it is done for Wave 2, but we're still making last minute fixes on some, more significant adjustments to others. The engineering renders are what I was referring to in a recent update.

And yes, if we hadn't split into two waves, we'd all still be waiting to get anything manufactured. There was really no choice but to split them up. The two waves haven't complicated shipping at all. Mostly it's just been waiting to get more product that has slowed us down."

Container 3 arrived, that's good.

But on the other, again I'll reiterate, no pics, never happened. PB have been incredibly vague and insinuated much further progress than had been made, in the past, using terminology that makes it look like they're right on top of things. We've seen several pre-production prototypes for Wave 2 (Glaug Eldare, FPA), and a few more in the potentially lesser "physical concept" stage (Gnerl, Monster). If they want people to stop jumping to conclusions (like the mentioned "engineering renders" thing), they need to be a hell of a lot clearer about what's been done, and an explanation of what's left on each to go, until test sprues are ready to be made.

Because I remember reading people quoting Ninja John saying X, Y, and Z of Wave 2 were "done", or "finished". Until test sprues have been approved and mass production can begin, no, IMO, it's not done/finished.

I just went to my UPS My Choice and see my order ready to ship. Battlecry, Backer number up around 3000.

More from Wayne:

@Richard, like others have said, it was faster to have them ship them as assembly was completed. Otherwise, they'd all be shipping now, after some had been sitting in their warehouse for the last two months (and if the ship went down, they'd all be lost). We made over 17,000 copies of the main box game in the first printing, and even though the facility where all printing and final assembly are done is a large, multi-building campus (I visited it while I was in China and saw several other products also being made there, including Zombicide), that's still a big job. There are a ton of components in that box, and most of them are manufactured at other facilities and delivered by truck, some of them in batches as they're completed. And since the main box is so huge, only a few thousand of them fit in a 40 foot freight container even if it's full of just those boxes, which the first few weren't. Container was a mix of main boxes and 4 of the 6 Wave One expansions, plus all the miscellaneous stuff. Containers #2-4 were a mixture of main boxes, Battle Cry extras, Spartans in #2, and Valkyries split between #2 & #3. #5 and up are all main boxes, except for a few hundred Battle Cry extras in one of them.

@Wayne, With #5, we'll definitely have enough to finish domestic, but I think we'll need some from #6 to finish international. I don't recall the total number of main boxes going out, but I don't think #5 will quite get us there, though it will give us a good start on them.

#6 & 7 are on the same ship, which should hit LA this Sunday or Monday. If they're delayed like 4 & 5 have been, then it'll be another week before they're put on a train, then ~10 days to our door.

Meaning there may be backers they can't ship to until mid November or later. Not the end of the world, but not surprising either.

 Forar wrote:
#6 & 7 are on the same ship, which should hit LA this Sunday or Monday. If they're delayed like 4 & 5 have been, then it'll be another week before they're put on a train, then ~10 days to our door.

I'm interested in what happened to 4 and 5. Container 1 was Custom-cized, Container 2 was indirectly held up due to the port fire (the port delay caused a rush on road transport, and PB's container wasn't prioritized), and Container 3 got Custom-cized as well. So far, five pitches, batting .000. Murphy/Karma really didn't like the GenCon idea.

Got my ship notice. Supposed to be delivered on Friday.

Pledged for Battlecry + an SDF-1. Backer and Backerkit # both in the 3000's.

~Eric

I'm thinking it would have been quicker to get it sent to someone in the us instead and have them send it to me, my backer number was in the 300's.

And I have realised that due to me 'cherry-picking' what I wanted as a modeller, not a gamer, and comparing that to the list of what is in wave 1 or wave 2, I was previously incorrect in saying I had nothing in wave 1.

Yup, my UEDF decals are a Wave 1 item. I forsee the following.

When PB get arround to international orders, they will send me my decals. Which I will have nothing to put them on for quite some time - increasing the chance that they will be damaged/lost/cannibalised for other projects before I get anything else and increasing their shipping costs.

The sensible thing to do, and one which I have zero problems with, is to not send me anything, and keep those decals unfullfilled until they send me my wave 2 stuff.

How many of you think this will actually happen? Will PB find a couple of spare brain-cells to rub together, save themselves the hassle and cost of sending just a decal sheet to an international backer, or should I expect an envelope from them sometime before Christmas? What sort of shipping notice should I expect if they do ship?

As no-one seems to have confirmation of where EU orders are actually going to be shipped from, I will be well miffed if the decals come from the USA, and the entire value of my pledge is given on the declaration form! I could end up paying £28 duty plus an additional £8 delivery on a $5 item! (OK, that's worse case scenario here, but........)

 Conrad Turner wrote:
As no-one seems to have confirmation of where EU orders are actually going to be shipped from, I will be well miffed if the decals come from the USA, and the entire value of my pledge is given on the declaration form! I could end up paying £28 duty plus an additional £8 delivery on a $5 item! (OK, that's worse case scenario here, but........)

Well... actual worst-case scenario would be you having to pay that twice: once for the decals, and once again when they send you Wave 2

 Albertorius wrote:

 Conrad Turner wrote:
As no-one seems to have confirmation of where EU orders are actually going to be shipped from, I will be well miffed if the decals come from the USA, and the entire value of my pledge is given on the declaration form! I could end up paying £28 duty plus an additional £8 delivery on a $5 item! (OK, that's worse case scenario here, but........)

Well... actual worst-case scenario would be you having to pay that twice: once for the decals, and once again when they send you Wave 2

But I was only talking about my wave 1 delivery - the decals. Paying about 10X the item's worth in charges really would hurt when I'm already considering that I'll get hit for about the same amount on my wave 2. At least my wave 2 is around $135, so it won't sting quite as much as I'll get a lot more for that charge. IF it all goes wrong, I could get charged $58 for a $5 decal sheet!

Still, who'd want to live in "Rip-off Britain"?

 Conrad Turner wrote:
But I was only talking about my wave 1 delivery - the decals. Paying about 10X the item's worth in charges really would hurt when I'm already considering that I'll get hit for about the same amount on my wave 2. At least my wave 2 is around $135, so it won't sting quite as much as I'll get a lot more for that charge. IF it all goes wrong, I could get charged $58 for a $5 decal sheet!

Still, who'd want to live in "Rip-off Britain"?

Do you have the option of declining? Cause if so, that might be the best option. Cause your Wave 2 stuff will be sent from internal EU, assuming they ever get around to telling EU-ians how they're doing that (I hope they HAVE a plan, and I hope it's better than the ones the Cylons had). And just get someone to pick it up retail, and mail it to you in a letter.

I know if the Harvey Law had of been implemented (dropping tax free imports from $1000AU exc/shipping to $20AU inc/shipping), or the AU dollar dropped like a stone ($1AU < $0.80US), I was going to reject my pledges. No way I was gonna pay 20% (potentially twice) for something I no longer wanted anyway. Thankfully, that's not a problem for me, and I get to just look on, and watch the show as a bystander.

Morgan Vening wrote:
I'm interested in what happened to 4 and 5. Container 1 was Custom-cized, Container 2 was indirectly held up due to the port fire (the port delay caused a rush on road transport, and PB's container wasn't prioritized), and Container 3 got Custom-cized as well. So far, five pitches, batting .000. Murphy/Karma really didn't like the GenCon idea.

Hrm. Perhaps Wayne at PB made a mistake?

1 and 2 got held up by Customs, 3 got delayed waiting on a chassis (and took like an extra 2 weeks to get off the ship or something?), and 4 is on a train but was flagged for more Customs checking once it arrived at its destination.

5 has arrived at the port, and 6 & 7 are at sea on the same ship.

I don't think we've heard anything about 5 being held up.

But at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if it had. Kinda par for the course.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Will PB find a couple of spare brain-cells to rub together, save themselves the hassle and cost of sending just a decal sheet to an international backer

One of my duties is writing comprehensive front-end shipping software for the last 7 years. Even I haven't come up with an algorithm to "rub some brain cells together" and attempt to _guess_ what one of 5000 plus customers wants to have done to their order _without the customer having contacted first_.

Probably best to send them a message and let them know you don't care to have the sheet alone. There's still time, given that international shipping isn't even close to starting, far as we know.

But yes, given that a US backer just received a decal sheet, unless you tell them not to they probably will send it.

Update #164 Oct 23 2014

Quick Update

Hey, guys. Looks like the Kickstarter site is about to go down for maintenance, so this will be really quick.

Container #3 came in yesterday, and we've shipped about 400 packages since. Close to 300 expected to go out tomorrow, and hoping to pack another 1,000 over this weekend to go out on Monday. We're almost done with the plain domestic Battle Cry packages, by far the largest single group. Larger packages and other combinations coming in the next few days.

Container #4 is in Chicago, and should arrive in Detroit this weekend. Then, it's up to Customs how soon we get it, but hopefully end of next week.

Container #5 is still being delayed, and was bumped from its train that was supposed to leave Tuesday. Hopefully it will get on a train leaving in the next couple days, in which case we'll probably get it first week of November.

Containers #6 and #7 hit LA early next week.

Container #8 is at sea, and #9 is at the port in China, sailing Monday.

Have a good weekend, everyone. TONS of packages will be arriving on doorsteps next week.

How many containers are there? I swear the number keeps going up

 Swabby wrote:
How many containers are there? I swear the number keeps going up

Initial quotes were for backer rewards. Apparently part of container 6 is needed for that. Remaining containers (and perhaps parts of some of the earlier ones*) are for retail/webstore sales.

* Admittedly speculation, based on the Container 1 shennanigans. There was a lot of leftover from C1. Depending on how much control of adjustment they have with shipping, it's possible that before C6 arrives, there'll be significantly more boxed sets than there are awaiting BC expansions. Note, there's really nothing wrong with this (other than the implication that "a few hundred" at GenCon might have intended to be 800-900). Just mentioned so people don't automatically assume backer fulfillment is significantly more than retail allotment.

I have my shipping notification with an expected delivery of next Tuesday. Insert your own M. Bison meme.

The unfortunate part is that I may be out of town then, so I might have to delay the shipment even more.

 Forar wrote:
Probably best to send them a message and let them know you don't care to have the sheet alone. There's still time, given that international shipping isn't even close to starting, far as we know.

But yes, given that a US backer just received a decal sheet, unless you tell them not to they probably will send it.

Had sent them a message. not such a DB about it that I'd expect them to read my mind (Or this thread) and know what I was thinking without me telling them explicitly, but without the option to call them on a phone or call round in person, I don't know if I'll ever get a reply , but have sent them the message that I'm willing to leave my W1 delivery of decals until they have W2 available to deliver.

So either I'll get them soon anyway, or W2 turns up without them. 50/50 on that I guess.

A few goodies

Wait..no Mom's Kitchen in that deck?

Edit

Its an actual aircraft in the Robotech Universe for those who do not know

So I have a partial city built 2 by 2 so fr and expanding that (working on a monorail system)
A government buildings section, working on a power plant building for it
A armored barracks armory for a Battalion of tanks and assorted vehicles
Working on a actual Mecha base with repair bays, towers, hangars, revetments and all that jazz
Line of Bunkers

Prettty much put away all my 40K

Yeah this game killed 40k for me as well.

Mom's kitchen was only in the first edition RPG right? My understanding is that those are no longer canon. Am I incorrect?

Straight from FB.

"From NMI
""We're not going by backer numbers. We're going by for lack of a better phrase what was ordered. we have, have completed all the pure battle cry / no add on only orders today. Next will be possibly show down or something similar. I will try and give it more accurate update later on this evening.""

""I don't want to say anything specific regarding showdown out any shipping proce/timetables. I can safely say that showdown's "should" be going out soon.""

What does "NMI" stand for again?

 Alpharius wrote:
What does "NMI" stand for again?

Depends on the "context" and who gave it

To me as a Transportation Coordinator it means

Normalized Mutual Info

As in everyone from internal to external gets the same message

"No More Indian (food)" You see it scratched into a lot of restroom stalls around here.