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Does anybody know if we're meant to have registered the name we want printed on the boxes yet? I'm going through and selecting everything but can't find a way to add a name yet.
We were promised the game as we pledged plus some vouchers to cover shipping cost incrued.
What I have got is a large voucher which more than covers shipping but not quite enough to cover the game purchased.
What gives?
Are we expected to repurchase the game we pledged for with the vouchers? Do we offset shipping?
I could guess how it works, but when it comes to doing online monetary transactions guessing is a fools game.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
You Have to pay for shipping it's not covered by the voucher which amounts the total combined amount you pledged during the crowd funding. There was no way to add shipping unless you over pledged. At a later time they will give you another voucher to cover what you paid for shipping that you can spend in the store but that is not part of the current voucher. That's how I understand it to work.
In the end I pledged for the extra tiles but now that battle systems are doing a fantasy set I decided not get the HQ ones so I used the €22 to cover the shipping. You can allocate the voucher however you like so if you drop an add on you pledged for you can use that money towards shipping.
At the end of the day I didn't want to give GZ another penny given how it's gone so far (still waiting for English versions of the updates about the PM) so I was happy to drop the add on and use it cover the postage
My understanding is that the voucher should equate to the amount you pledged. You then need to pay for the shipping on top, unless (like DaveC) you want to forsake part of what you pledged to cover the shipping cost.
But when all of that is sorted, Gamezone will send you a second voucher for the value you spent on shipping this time around, for use on a future purchase.
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update #43 is now in English - ah now I see how you enter the name you want on the box (not that I particularly care I'll just leave it blank it's submitted now anyway)
Oops, I missed that as well. I'll try an get mine changed and report back if it's a real pain in the ass
Automatically Appended Next Post: Okay, that was really straight forward. Seems stupid even having to post this but....
If you forgot to add the name you want in the box:
log in on the GZ website
go to your account page
click on "history and details of my orders"
click on the red order number
scroll down to the bottom of the order form
type whatever you want on your box into the "add a message" box
Click on send.
And that concludes the pointlessly easy tutorial, brought to you by Gorechild
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It is showing shipping at about 52 euro for my pledge level 3, but I thought it was around 38 euro on the Lanzanos page?
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I have the following problems:
1. The price of the product was at around 91 euros and not 110
2. Proceeding with the payment and using my pledge code, I got an error message. However paypal informed me that the payment has been completed an now I cannot use the code anymore.
I had the same issue with 1. I couldn't get it to charge me €110 in the end I put it through at €91 and it gave me a new credit voucher for the other €19 so I included a message in the comment box telling them to take the difference from the voucher and we are all square.
2. is a known issue
Any problem with your discount voucher?
If you have any trouble doing the payment related to the bank payment platform, maybe when you check your account to make the new process you find out that the discount voucher is no longer there. Don’t worry, we are aware of this.
When a transaction is not closed we receive an automatic alert and we’ll proceed to reactivate your discount voucher. Is not necessary for you to tell us, the online store system notifies us and we´ll act accordingly. But remember it could take us a few hours, specially if this problem happens while us mere mortals are covering any basic need such as eating or sleeping.
Many thanks for the response.
I saw this message bit thought that if there was an error this would mean that the money wouldn't have been sent. But in this case the transaction has been completed and they received the money. I suspect that it has something to do with this extra 14 euros of the shipping cost which didn't appear to the check out as long as the price of the product was 91 and not 110 euros.
I think only they can solve it and somehow charge me with the extra money but there should be some communication, which was not possible until now, although my efforts. I will keep trying to reach them.
corgan wrote: I have the following problems:
1. The price of the product was at around 91 euros and not 110
2. Proceeding with the payment and using my pledge code, I got an error message. However paypal informed me that the payment has been completed an now I cannot use the code anymore.
After seeing how lacklustre Mantic's Dungeon Saga looks in comparison, I am even more happy to have backed a quality looking product.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
I've just been trawling back through some if their old posts and stumbled across this....
OPEN RULES BETA
SEPTEMBER-OCTOBER
We want everything to be perfect with this 25th anniversary edition, from the miniatures to the scenery and, of course, the Rules. We have set a deadline for ourselves to polish the HeroQuest Classic rules by August, and although we have the invaluable help of several groups of players for betatesting, we think this is another area where our incredible community of players can make the difference. That is why we hope to count on your help during this task, so we can take a final look at everything together before sending the books to print.
Couldn't remember any mention of it on here, but (fingers crossed) it should give us something to look forward too before December! So they should be adding their final touches to the rule set right now.
Orlanth wrote: After seeing how lacklustre Mantic's Dungeon Saga looks in comparison, I am even more happy to have backed a quality looking product.
Definitely looks like Mantic's latest isn't the value that some of their other releases have been. Although, some of the previous ones were ridiculous, so perhaps that had to happen sooner or later!
I'm thinking of getting involved with both and then 'hedging by bets' as it were. If one turns out to be rubbish or just doesn't ever arrive I'll be sorted, if both arrive the worst will find its way to ebay or be cannibalised for bits, if both don't arrive I will go back to playing Descent!
Has anyone been able to look at the Spanish forum to see if there had been any updates recently?
I am not bothering with Mantic at all, it looks fairly crap frankly. Anyway I bought Heroquest mainly for the miniatures, I like Gamzone's quality and I really like what I see here, it will be RPG fuel, I might in fact never actually play the game as intended.
I wanted the minaitures so bad , so much so that I bought the maxed out version, and then when looking at the options for extra units and scenics etc decided the most efficent way to get more would be to buy the game twice, so I opted in for a second core set.
As it happens I might end up keeping it as a game, depending on what we get and depending on what I see when I read the rules.
Anyonwe else buy it for RPG miniatures?
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Definitely a big reason for me, I've got a collection of the Gamezone Dwarves and Undead and they are some fantastic miniatures. Really nice sculpts, like so much of the stuff coming out of Spain these days, and makes me very hopeful for this one.
I'm hoping my Fractured Dimensions KS would have delivered by then also to add in some juicy big D&D monsters and other minions!
Have spent some time trawling the Spanish GZ site, even braved BGG, and found a few comments.
I do wonder whether GZ are deliberately being quiet about this release so as not to bring the legal jackals down on them, or if it's just crap comms
A poster on BGG, from 2nd September.
GameZone has participated in april and june to 2 game conventions in Spain with their local distributor E-MINIS.
They have answered questions and presented more things to the backers. They also met the spanish backers directly and gave more details on the content of the box. Just go to their official website to check the latest videos : www.heroquestclassic.com
GameZone will present this month a part of the rules and some elements of the game. There won't be another update until december where you'll get a message to confirm your postal address before delivering.
The pledge manager period is terminated.
For those who missed the comments they wanted printed in the box is terminated too according to the official announcement they did on the official website (in spanish and british english languages).
If you have a problem, just use the contact page of their website.
They are trying to deliver the game for christmas to all backers as promised. The first expansion will be announced for next spring and should be available at the end of spring 2015.
A video posted on Spanish Heroquest site. In Spanish, had a quite look through and there are some looks at renders that we haven't seen before.
There are a handful of 3D renders on Deviantart (not official though, in the artists own gallery)
Spoiler:
And an interesting post made on the Spanish forum about legalise and distribution..
I'm going to answer you in british Inglés Clearly eleven and for all about the polemic.
1 No one called the legal service of the first HASBRO IBERIA concerned or the legal service of Their Own hasbro country.
2 If it was the case, you From their laywer would learn:
A . the tradermark is dead for more than 10 years to Hasbro Inc and in all other countries country where it is registered Automatically There are no official facebook, tweeter Unofficial, Unofficial stock, no sale, no project acerca the old trademark "HeroQuest." It Means a third party can do everything with it until it's not a perfect copy.
B You would Also learn HASBRO INC Proceeded to a full transfer of the rights at the end of the 90s. It Means Games Workshop has no more rigths on this trademark. But the authors of the original illustrations and the texts can ask a right so Gamezone Miniatures Had to change everything to avoid a legal issue with them.
C You can Easily Understand now why HASBRO Inc never made an opposition to the trademark registration Because They can not even if they 'wanted to do so. Same thing with "space crusade" Which is trademark already registered by GZ. Hasbro Inc did not so exploited trademarks Those five years after it's over.
D Miniatures GameZone have deposited & registered the trademark by using the Madrid's system. It Protects Their trademark in whole Europe and guarranties them the distribution. To add more, They also have deposited 2 new trademarks in Europe That should be registered on november. It are "HeroQuest classic "and" HeroQuest 25th anniversary. " They have not yet Announced they 'would come to ESSEN. Dionisio Remember I said wants to surprise the fans and it is the policy They have choosen since the start. To show the game there would not follow this idea. , Moreover, european They have contacts with distributors so they 'do not really need to go there. They are working hard on the new game to offer something amazing. If you plan to go there just to see "HeroQuest 25" then please wait the time a little bit info we have an answer from Dionysius himself Because if they 'are not there ...!
Anyway, all I could find for the time being (interesting comment there about Space Crusade if this is true!). There are a lot of alternative viewpoints on the Spanish forums, some hopefuly, some not-so (I guess the same as many threads of that nature on Dakka! )
I will look again in a week or so and post what I find.
Trademarks aren't copyright, but that's been discussed elsewhere.
And you're citing yet another interpretation of the law. Which means pretty much nothing, since most of these cases are settled. (Naturally, I found a Hasbro IP case in Spain that went to court.)
Hasbro waited until Hex was in beta, presumably because that's when Hasbro though they had enough evidence to file a lawsuit. Of course, the lawsuit isn't important -- many points of the lawsuit are close to specious. What's important is how Wizards and Cryptozoic resolve the issue. What's *not* important is how someone outside of a court interprets the law, because IP laws aren't cut-and-dry, at least in the US.
Seems pretty obvious to me that Hasbro would wait until the game is released or otherwise have more evidence before doing anything. I think at least Spanish backers will be able to get a copy of the game before anything happens. I haven't found anything suggesting Hasbro cares about whether or not backers receive anything. I have found plenty of examples of Hasbro attempting to protect its IP.
EDIT: Also, of course, GZ could just change the name of the game and provide a different ruleset. The eight-sided die they showed in a presentation certainly implies the latter, and I'm guessing they haven't printed the boxes and rulebooks yet?
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I'm not citing anything, none of those are my own comments - just a cut & paste from some of the various posts and bits of news that I found on searching around the web that I thought people might find interesting.
If they have attended a couple of shows in Spain that is at least promising.
Although, at this point I really, really can't understand why they didn't just make a simple name change on the product. It would surely have stopped all of this BS.
GZ has been way too low key for my comfort on this. I understand not releasing mechanics or component shots with the (potential) legal snafus, but the complete lack of simple backer emails around the pledge manager or overall status is a bit concerning to me. I'd been waiting to lock down my pledge and pay shipping until I got a final notice email. I'm curious how many people aren't even aware they were supposed to pay shipping in the past month or so.
No problem. And, yes, their attendance at shows is some sort of promise. Their business address goes to a mailing forward box. Honesty, I thought there was a chance GZ would pretty much vanish after the funding period was over.
Anyway, GZ made about $1M on the first weekend on KS. Around the time, 1/3 of the a project's funding was the first weekend, so, had HQ25 not been pulled, it would have made maybe $3M. How much would they have made without the HQ name? Well, Mantic's Dungeon Saga made about $1M. GZ, not having the reputation that Mantic has, certainly would not have not made as much money. So "a single name" is worth over $2M, maybe $2.5M. I think there's a good-ish chance GZ will, if Hasbro takes action, just change the name, game components, and rules before or after backers receive product. Some backers won't be happy, but it's very unlikely they'll do anything aside from a credit card chargeback. (I don't think the WADA will get involved, nor will the Hansfree backer who is a lawyer!) GZ will still have had a $1M interest-free loan, and benefited from crowdfunding. If GZ ships the game as HeroQuest, and Hasbro and/or Moon Design decide to take action (latter pretty likely for the US market since MD owns the US trademark of HQ for their RPG (and who knows if a court will distinguish a boardgame from an RPG), though whether or not it will go to court is something else entirely)... well, it'll certainly be "interesting" -- and predicative of how GZ's Space Crusade would fare.
As for backer emails and the pledge manager, GZ's not allowing comments on Lazanos pretty much indicated to me how much communication they would have with their backers. The DDOS attacks didn't inspire me how well they would run their computer systems. GZ *is* a small company -- originally, just one man -- so I would expect this lack of post-funding communication et al.
EDIT: Sorry, should have mentioned that the Song of Blades and Heroes author, Andreas Sfiligoi, is easily approachable to work with new companies. One of his projects was writing rules for an ADW project, although the deal fell through. Song has a good following, and I think a Song of Blades and Heroes KS with GZ miniatures would have been a successful KS.
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scratch-build projects here: 
chance GZ will, if Hasbro takes action, just change the name, game components, and rules before or after backers receive product. Some backers won't be happy, but it's very unlikely they'll do anything aside from a credit card chargeback. (I don't think the