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So in many many many Space Marine novels and articles, SM's are described as surviving extreme amounts of damage that would obliterate a normal human in seconds. In many of the HH books I've read, a single well placed boltgun shot to a SM's chest is sufficient enough to incapacitate him. It makes sense, as even a SM can't have a ring finger sized bullet explode in his chest cavity without being to hurt for combat. However, as long as a marine has his vital organs intact, he can pretty much tolerate the loss of an arm or leg and still be alright and battle-ready. I remember in the Iron Snakes novel
[/spoiler] Brother Elius (I believe?) Lost both his eyes but was still calm and collected. He had one of his brothers (who also had a severe chest injury of some sort) guide his bolter.

So does anybody think it is pausible or is it exaggeration of their durability?

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They can consciously shut off parts or the entirety of their nervous systems thanks to an implant.

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 Ashiraya wrote:
They can consciously shut off parts or the entirety of their nervous systems thanks to an implant.

Which implant would that be?

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My bad. It is not an implant, it is the indoctrination.

Indoctrination - Just as their bodies receive 19 separate implants, so their minds are altered to release the latent powers within. These mental powers are, if anything, more extraordinary than even the physical powers described above. For example, a Marine can control his senses and nervous system to a remarkable degree, and can consequently endure pain that would kill an ordinary man. A Marine can also think and react at lightning speeds. Memory training is an important part of the indoctrination too. Some Marines develop photographic memories. Obviously, Marines vary in intelligence as do other men, and their individual mental abilities vary in degree.

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Really damn fething high! Some guys are practically dead when they get put into Dreadnoughts. Marines walk about with bionic arms, legs, eyes, organs. Techmarines and Iron Hands do it voluntarily but some lose such parts of their bodies.

Look at Huron Blackheart. At the end of the Badab War he lost half his body to a MELTA shot (that's really fething hot!) and was completely rebuilt using bionics. If any mortal man could have survived that they wouldv'e gone insane from the agony.

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 Deadshot wrote:
Really damn fething high! Some guys are practically dead when they get put into Dreadnoughts. Marines walk about with bionic arms, legs, eyes, organs. Techmarines and Iron Hands do it voluntarily but some lose such parts of their bodies.

Look at Huron Blackheart. At the end of the Badab War he lost half his body to a MELTA shot (that's really fething hot!) and was completely rebuilt using bionics. If any mortal man could have survived that they wouldv'e gone insane from the agony.

Yes, a human would've succumbed to shock and die. Huron really should've died that day, even his apothecaries were surprised he lived.


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 Ashiraya wrote:
My bad. It is not an implant, it is the indoctrination.

Indoctrination - Just as their bodies receive 19 separate implants, so their minds are altered to release the latent powers within. These mental powers are, if anything, more extraordinary than even the physical powers described above. For example, a Marine can control his senses and nervous system to a remarkable degree, and can consequently endure pain that would kill an ordinary man. A Marine can also think and react at lightning speeds. Memory training is an important part of the indoctrination too. Some Marines develop photographic memories. Obviously, Marines vary in intelligence as do other men, and their individual mental abilities vary in degree.

Oh, fantastic. Thank you

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Well they can live after extreme trauma, including lost limbs, and all manner of wounds a humans could not even stand mental shock of yet alone bleed out.

Honsou in storm of iron loses a arm and just jogs on with his chainsword to kill more.

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jhe90 wrote:
Well they can live after extreme trauma, including lost limbs, and all manner of wounds a humans could not even stand mental shock of yet alone bleed out.

Honsou in storm of iron loses a arm and just jogs on with his chainsword to kill more.

Yes, great novel. Yet again in Rynns World, a Crimson Fists heavy weapon specialist lost both his legs to a lascannon and still continued to fire his heavy bolter and give suppressive fire for his brethren.

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avoiding the lorax on Crion

Also one in outcast dead, walking with a wound that even would kill a human instantly, but still is alive 2 days later or more with a bit of help from others and death guards stoic durability.

Badly injured, and space marine badly injured so no mere scratch yet still able to keep up with marines in better physical shape.

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jhe90 wrote:
Also one in outcast dead, walking with a wound that even would kill a human instantly, but still is alive 2 days later or more with a bit of help from others and death guards stoic durability.

Badly injured, and space marine badly injured so no mere scratch yet still able to keep up with marines in better physical shape.

The Death Guard are famed for their apparent indestructibility. Not really a great example.

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As with most things, depends on the individual. Though if it's Dark Eldar they're fighting, then Space Marines will generally be in for a world of hurt.

A good example of pain tolerance is, a Space Marine headbutting his bare head into another Space Marines' helmet repeatedly til his foe dies (along with himself) as per Aaron Dembski Bowden's Night Lords books

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 BrotherOfBone wrote:
jhe90 wrote:
Also one in outcast dead, walking with a wound that even would kill a human instantly, but still is alive 2 days later or more with a bit of help from others and death guards stoic durability.

Badly injured, and space marine badly injured so no mere scratch yet still able to keep up with marines in better physical shape.

The Death Guard are famed for their apparent indestructibility. Not really a great example.

Are we talking about before or after they turned to Chaos? Because before, they were no different than their fellow legions. But after, it's like you said. Indestructible.

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 Lord Tarkin wrote:
 BrotherOfBone wrote:
jhe90 wrote:
Also one in outcast dead, walking with a wound that even would kill a human instantly, but still is alive 2 days later or more with a bit of help from others and death guards stoic durability.

Badly injured, and space marine badly injured so no mere scratch yet still able to keep up with marines in better physical shape.

The Death Guard are famed for their apparent indestructibility. Not really a great example.

Are we talking about before or after they turned to Chaos? Because before, they were no different than their fellow legions. But after, it's like you said. Indestructible.


Before and after. The Death Guard's planet Barbarus was a pretty nasty world to live on.

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 angelofvengeance wrote:
As with most things, depends on the individual. Though if it's Dark Eldar they're fighting, then Space Marines will generally be in for a world of hurt.

A good example of pain tolerance is, a Space Marine headbutting his bare head into another Space Marines' helmet repeatedly til his foe dies (along with himself) as per Aaron Dembski Bowden's Night Lords books

Um, oww. I'm sure he would've died of head trama before the guy with the helmet.


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 angelofvengeance wrote:
 Lord Tarkin wrote:
 BrotherOfBone wrote:
jhe90 wrote:
Also one in outcast dead, walking with a wound that even would kill a human instantly, but still is alive 2 days later or more with a bit of help from others and death guards stoic durability.

Badly injured, and space marine badly injured so no mere scratch yet still able to keep up with marines in better physical shape.

The Death Guard are famed for their apparent indestructibility. Not really a great example.

Are we talking about before or after they turned to Chaos? Because before, they were no different than their fellow legions. But after, it's like you said. Indestructible.


Before and after. The Death Guard's planet Barbarus was a pretty nasty world to live on.

Oh, I didn't know that.

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 Lord Tarkin wrote:
 angelofvengeance wrote:
As with most things, depends on the individual. Though if it's Dark Eldar they're fighting, then Space Marines will generally be in for a world of hurt.

A good example of pain tolerance is, a Space Marine headbutting his bare head into another Space Marines' helmet repeatedly til his foe dies (along with himself) as per Aaron Dembski Bowden's Night Lords books

Um, oww. I'm sure he would've died of head trama before the guy with the helmet.


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 angelofvengeance wrote:
 Lord Tarkin wrote:
 BrotherOfBone wrote:
jhe90 wrote:
Also one in outcast dead, walking with a wound that even would kill a human instantly, but still is alive 2 days later or more with a bit of help from others and death guards stoic durability.

Badly injured, and space marine badly injured so no mere scratch yet still able to keep up with marines in better physical shape.

The Death Guard are famed for their apparent indestructibility. Not really a great example.

Are we talking about before or after they turned to Chaos? Because before, they were no different than their fellow legions. But after, it's like you said. Indestructible.


Before and after. The Death Guard's planet Barbarus was a pretty nasty world to live on.

Oh, I didn't know that.


No he was pretty tough actually, though like I said he does die (his face was A LOT messed up and he had taken numerous other wounds) after headbutting the other guy to death through his helmet.

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Vero Beach, Florida

 angelofvengeance wrote:
 Lord Tarkin wrote:
 angelofvengeance wrote:
As with most things, depends on the individual. Though if it's Dark Eldar they're fighting, then Space Marines will generally be in for a world of hurt.

A good example of pain tolerance is, a Space Marine headbutting his bare head into another Space Marines' helmet repeatedly til his foe dies (along with himself) as per Aaron Dembski Bowden's Night Lords books

Um, oww. I'm sure he would've died of head trama before the guy with the helmet.


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 angelofvengeance wrote:
 Lord Tarkin wrote:
 BrotherOfBone wrote:
jhe90 wrote:
Also one in outcast dead, walking with a wound that even would kill a human instantly, but still is alive 2 days later or more with a bit of help from others and death guards stoic durability.

Badly injured, and space marine badly injured so no mere scratch yet still able to keep up with marines in better physical shape.

The Death Guard are famed for their apparent indestructibility. Not really a great example.

Are we talking about before or after they turned to Chaos? Because before, they were no different than their fellow legions. But after, it's like you said. Indestructible.


Before and after. The Death Guard's planet Barbarus was a pretty nasty world to live on.

Oh, I didn't know that.


No he was pretty tough actually, though like I said he does die (his face was A LOT messed up and he had taken numerous other wounds) after headbutting the other guy to death through his helmet.

What a hard-headed fool he is.

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 BrotherOfBone wrote:
jhe90 wrote:
Also one in outcast dead, walking with a wound that even would kill a human instantly, but still is alive 2 days later or more with a bit of help from others and death guards stoic durability.

Badly injured, and space marine badly injured so no mere scratch yet still able to keep up with marines in better physical shape.

The Death Guard are famed for their apparent indestructibility. Not really a great example.


I just knew tough, resistance to poisons and such, not near impossible to kill. Yeah bad example then.

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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
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@Lord Tarkin: the guy was fighting a Company Champion in Artificer armour equipped with Thunder Hammer and a boarding shield (I think). The headbutting to death thing was pretty much an act of desperation.

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 angelofvengeance wrote:
@Lord Tarkin: the guy was fighting a Company Champion in Artificer armour equipped with Thunder Hammer and a boarding shield (I think). The headbutting to death thing was pretty much an act of desperation.

Alright, a company champion, and who's "the guy?"

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 Lord Tarkin wrote:
 angelofvengeance wrote:
@Lord Tarkin: the guy was fighting a Company Champion in Artificer armour equipped with Thunder Hammer and a boarding shield (I think). The headbutting to death thing was pretty much an act of desperation.

Alright, a company champion, and who's "the guy?"


Guess you'll have to read it and find out lol. Night Lords Trilogy by Aaron Dembski-Bowden go check it out.

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Space Marine resistence to pain is usually describe has superior to what punishment their body can withstand on a battlefield. A completly cripple Space Marine can still be conscious and alert, but completly incapable of moving due to damage. If you shred the muscle in his ass, he won't be able to stand. If you rip muscle from his back, he won't stand or be capable of moving his arms. Though, he will still be capable of spitting acid in your face. If tortured, Space Marine resilience to pain and supernatural body reistance are not really an advantage. But, you will have to be very patient and well equiped to make it work.
   
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 angelofvengeance wrote:
 Lord Tarkin wrote:
 angelofvengeance wrote:
@Lord Tarkin: the guy was fighting a Company Champion in Artificer armour equipped with Thunder Hammer and a boarding shield (I think). The headbutting to death thing was pretty much an act of desperation.

Alright, a company champion, and who's "the guy?"


Guess you'll have to read it and find out lol. Night Lords Trilogy by Aaron Dembski-Bowden go check it out.

Alright haha, thank you

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And don't forget that their power armors have some very advanced life support functions too, including some sort of auto-medic with drug dispenser to give them that extra boost. A severely wounded marine will be getting the best painkillers, toxin cleansers and combat drugs his Chapter has been able to load him with - immediately, without waiting for the Apothecary.
   
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 Lord Tarkin wrote:
So in many many many Space Marine novels and articles, SM's are described as surviving extreme amounts of damage that would obliterate a normal human in seconds. In many of the HH books I've read, a single well placed boltgun shot to a SM's chest is sufficient enough to incapacitate him. It makes sense, as even a SM can't have a ring finger sized bullet explode in his chest cavity without being to hurt for combat. However, as long as a marine has his vital organs intact, he can pretty much tolerate the loss of an arm or leg and still be alright and battle-ready. I remember in the Iron Snakes novel
[/spoiler] Brother Elius (I believe?) Lost both his eyes but was still calm and collected. He had one of his brothers (who also had a severe chest injury of some sort) guide his bolter.

So does anybody think it is pausible or is it exaggeration of their durability?

Plausible. Most of the pain a typical human feels is emotion based, including things like stress, shock, fear etc. Remove those and you only really register damage, much as a machine probably would.
A Space Marine would notice the damage, think to himself "Well, I can't use that arm ever again", and continue killing stuff.
   
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 Selym wrote:
 Lord Tarkin wrote:
So in many many many Space Marine novels and articles, SM's are described as surviving extreme amounts of damage that would obliterate a normal human in seconds. In many of the HH books I've read, a single well placed boltgun shot to a SM's chest is sufficient enough to incapacitate him. It makes sense, as even a SM can't have a ring finger sized bullet explode in his chest cavity without being to hurt for combat. However, as long as a marine has his vital organs intact, he can pretty much tolerate the loss of an arm or leg and still be alright and battle-ready. I remember in the Iron Snakes novel
[/spoiler] Brother Elius (I believe?) Lost both his eyes but was still calm and collected. He had one of his brothers (who also had a severe chest injury of some sort) guide his bolter.

So does anybody think it is pausible or is it exaggeration of their durability?

Plausible. Most of the pain a typical human feels is emotion based, including things like stress, shock, fear etc. Remove those and you only really register damage, much as a machine probably would.
A Space Marine would notice the damage, think to himself "Well, I can't use that arm ever again", and continue killing stuff.

"You've lost an arm, Alessio! By the mercy of the Emperor, you're lucky not losing your life as well! -- I haven't lost my arm, brother! It's right over there! I'm still in this! I'm fine!"
—Exchange between Chapter Master Pedro Kantor and Captain Alessio Cortez, demonstrating the latter's incredible resilience

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If Lukas the Trickster can survive having one of his hearts cut out then you pretty much have to go with the whole near-infinite pain tolerance thing for marines.




 
   
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 Captain Blood wrote:
If Lukas the Trickster can survive having one of his hearts cut out then you pretty much have to go with the whole near-infinite pain tolerance thing for marines.

Which begs another question then. Can a marine be efficiently tortured?

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 Lord Tarkin wrote:
 Captain Blood wrote:
If Lukas the Trickster can survive having one of his hearts cut out then you pretty much have to go with the whole near-infinite pain tolerance thing for marines.

Which begs another question then. Can a marine be efficiently tortured?


Dark Angels(hunting the Fallen)/Dark Eldar/Chaos Marines are highly effective at torturing Astartes

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Pretty high I would say

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One trait that has attracted scrutiny is the practice of using a device called the pain glove to punish infractions. Named after a more ancient device, the pain glove is actually an all-encompassing tunic of electrofibres suspended in a steel gibbet. The errant Space Marine is placed entirely within the device and kept conscious while waves of pain wash through him. Through this ordeal, the miscreant learns to focus past the pain and strengthen his link with the Primarch.

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 Lord Tarkin wrote:
 Captain Blood wrote:
If Lukas the Trickster can survive having one of his hearts cut out then you pretty much have to go with the whole near-infinite pain tolerance thing for marines.

Which begs another question then. Can a marine be efficiently tortured?


Anyone can be tortured. you just have to know what they care about and threaten it effectively.




 
   
 
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