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So I had a game the other day, where we played maelstrom. I had 2 booby trapped objectives, and 2 units on each one. When it came time to wound the unit, my opponent only rolled one die and applied the result to both units. I am pretty sure you have to roll the dice for each affected unit. He also did a nurgle psychic power in the same game pretty much same situation, roll a d6 for wounds. I am almost 100 precent certain you roll that d6 for each affected unit seperatley. Anyone clear this up?

Oh another funny one. I got an objective where I had to kill a gun emplacement for a VP. I had a quad gun ironically. Any restriction in shooting it if my opponent currently controls it after wipeing everyone near it out? Technically you cant shoot your own models, but at that point its working for him now.

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 Orock wrote:
Oh another funny one. I got an objective where I had to kill a gun emplacement for a VP. I had a quad gun ironically. Any restriction in shooting it if my opponent currently controls it after wipeing everyone near it out? Technically you cant shoot your own models, but at that point its working for him now.


The quad gun is not a model, it is terrain.

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 DeathReaper wrote:
 Orock wrote:
Oh another funny one. I got an objective where I had to kill a gun emplacement for a VP. I had a quad gun ironically. Any restriction in shooting it if my opponent currently controls it after wipeing everyone near it out? Technically you cant shoot your own models, but at that point its working for him now.


The quad gun is not a model, it is terrain.


If the gun was part of the aegis deffence line then I do not be leave you opponent could fire it since it is not part of a claimed building but if the gun was purchased for a bastion then it was no longer considered a gun emplacement it is considered an emplaced weapon and is then considered to be part of the building.

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I am assuming you are referring to mysterious objectives and you had the "Sabotaged" result. In that case you roll for each objective to see if it explodes and then apply the result as listed in the BRB

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 DeathReaper wrote:
 Orock wrote:
Oh another funny one. I got an objective where I had to kill a gun emplacement for a VP. I had a quad gun ironically. Any restriction in shooting it if my opponent currently controls it after wipeing everyone near it out? Technically you cant shoot your own models, but at that point its working for him now.


The quad gun is not a model, it is terrain.


but it can be shot. It counts as a gun emplacement. Otherwise what in the world DOES count as a gun emplacement.

Also yes I was talking about sabotaged objectives, there is a spell in chaos nurgle psychic powers that does similar with poison too. But if you read it, it says "each unit takes d6 wounds" Now to me its pretty clear you roll them seperatley, but my opponent was andament in his thinking it is rolled only once and every unit is affected the same. And the wording RAW does say that, but im almost positive its per unit.

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 Orock wrote:
 DeathReaper wrote:
 Orock wrote:
Oh another funny one. I got an objective where I had to kill a gun emplacement for a VP. I had a quad gun ironically. Any restriction in shooting it if my opponent currently controls it after wipeing everyone near it out? Technically you cant shoot your own models, but at that point its working for him now.


The quad gun is not a model, it is terrain.


but it can be shot. It counts as a gun emplacement. Otherwise what in the world DOES count as a gun emplacement.



The quad guns exist in a horrible spot in the rules. They are a rules nightmare in so many ways.

Strict RAW anyone can shoot at them no matter who is currently in B2B with it. You could deploy with it, then shoot it yourself then assault it. They don't change ownership. I think this is not RAI since it is a fortification you bought for your army, so I would label them friendly/enemy models.

it is 'Schrodinger model' it is a model and not a model at the same time. How's that Jinxdragon?

To see how fun this topic can be, ask your group if you can be locked in combat with the gun emplacement. If you only have permission to 'fight it in CC' then how do you even get to the fight sub phase when you have no way to resolve the charge sub phase. Then if they state they can be locked in CC, during their assault phase have them fight their own gun

For those that just state 'it's not a mode' ask them if a blast scatters over the gun is there a model to be hit?

just look at the rule itself 'can be shot at and attacked in CC' strictly RAW you can only shoot it while in CC.

It's a rules quagmire, discuss it with your group and house rule it.

the d6 wounds can go either way really, As long as your opponent is being consistent with it, discuss it with him, then either agree to a roll off every time it comes up, or find a compromise.




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theres a big difference between gun emplacement and emplaced weaponry.

Gun emplacements can be fired by any model in B2B with it.

Emplaced weapons can be fired by 1 model embarked into the building it is emplaced upon.

If you purchase a quad gun as an emplaced weapon on your bastion, only the models embarked inside may fire it.

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sirlynchmob wrote:
it is 'Schrodinger model' it is a model and not a model at the same time.


How dare you steal from my sig! "Schroedinger's "X"" is my schtick.

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While I disagree with SirLynchMob over the Model thing, the book has a criteria of things a Model will possess and 'model-like objects' that fail to meet that definition clearly do exist, I will never find fault with anyone complaining about Gun Emplacements! The Rules are well and truly broken and no matter what interpretation you try and apply to them it will lead to broken scenarios that make no sense. There are even scenarios that can not be avoided... that is, regardless of which interpretation you apply to these damn things the same break will still occur. They are some of the most sloppiest writing we will encounter in the Rulebook, not the most sloppy but defiantly on anyone's top 10 list, and one is going to have to avoid these things as much as possible.

As for the whole 'blast markers over Gun Emplacements?' the biggest problem is that we are simply told that the Gun Emplacement may be shot at, but with no instructions informing us what this actually means. It is a logical leap that we take in assuming that the Authors meant for the Shooting Sequence can be resolved against the Gun Emplacement. That we needs specific permission to be targeted because it is not an 'enemy Model' and a legal target by Default, so they granted it with these words. As the Shooting Sequence is written in the 'Model Specific' format, the only way that the Sequence can be completely resolved is if we substitute or add the words 'Gun Emplacements' to/after all instances of the word 'Model.' This would also include in all Special Rules which are being resolved as well, as they are simply modifying the Shooting Sequence itself to change one of the default sentences from X to Y.

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 Happyjew wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
it is 'Schrodinger model' it is a model and not a model at the same time.


How dare you steal from my sig! "Schroedinger's "X"" is my schtick.


my apologies, here's your schtick and no schtick back

 
   
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sirlynchmob wrote:
 Happyjew wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
it is 'Schrodinger model' it is a model and not a model at the same time.


How dare you steal from my sig! "Schroedinger's "X"" is my schtick.


my apologies, here's your schtick and no schtick back


Nah, it's cool. I'm just going to steal it like I did with rigeld's Schroedinger Tanks.

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 Orock wrote:
but it can be shot. It counts as a gun emplacement. Otherwise what in the world DOES count as a gun emplacement.

Yes it can be shot, the Gun Emplacement has rules stating it can be shot. That does not make it a model though.

Because all models have a unit type. What Unit type is a Quad Gun?

"In addition to its characteristics profile, each model will have a unit type..." (Models and Units chapter, Other Important Information section).

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