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I love the new codex but I am very confused on somethings in the codex. It might be from how they are formatted now since i am still not used to it. Under the unique detatchment it gives certain units that you can choose from dark eldar codex which is fine but none of these can choose Artefacts of Cruelty (however URIEN RAKARTH has a Artefacts of Cruelty but dose not say he can choose one).my questions are:

Can you select ,say an arcon in a unbound detachment, since in-order to be able to use Diabolical Playthings which replaces Artefacts of Cruelty you would have to choose something other than that on the list given?or is it just that URIEN RAKARTH can select from the diabolical playthings?

also if the first is the case and you choose an archon or a succubus

what good would the NIGHTMARE DOLL do you since it benefits feel no pain rolls and neither would ever be able to get FNP since they would be using the PFP chart from the supplement book?

What i wanted to try to accomplish was a archon with the shadow field and the nightmare doll giving him potentially a 2+ inv with 3+ FNP and maybe re-roll 1s on FNP rolls with other stuff in the army to accomplish this of course. is it possible or is the new artifact useless(besides the negating the first instant death which is not worth 25pts)?

For your second question, check what rules Haemonculi have.

They can't take artefacts.

 Docsten wrote:
They can't take artefacts.

Derp. Apologies. I guess it does nothing, unless the model is under the effect of psychic power or special rule that grants FNP.

So I have been researching this some more and came up with this delima
Diabolical playthings says "Any units from a Detachment or Formation presented in this book that can select Artefacts of Cruelty cannot select from those
listed in Codex: Dark Eldar, but can instead select Diabolical Playthings, presented opposite, at the points costs shown."

The Rules state a Detachment as; "Detachments are made up of units that conform to various requirements. For example, one common type of Detachment requires the use of at least one HQ unit and two Troops units; another might require that only units from Codex: Orks be included. As a reward for adhering to these requirements, each Detachment grants its own Command Benefits to the units within it, which can really enhance their effectiveness in battle.

However none of the units in Haemonculus covens from the Detachment or Formations listed can take Artefacts of Cruelty meaning no units can take Diabolical playthings even in an unbound army since they are not detachment based and since the core detatchments are not in this book. why GW why

Am I missing something? like maybe haemonculus' can actually take artefacts of cruelty and it is just a misprint in my book.

Unbound do technically get a "Primary Detachment," but that is irrelevant to the discussion on hand.
Just wanted to bring up how unusual it is to have something called a "Primary Detachment" that breaks if you try and apply Detachment related Rules to it....

A detachment taken from the Haemonculus Covens Codex is not allowed to take anything from the artefacts of cruelty. Instead they get their own list of artefacts to choose from Diabolical playthings.

A Haemonculus used in the Coven Codex CAN have Diabolical playthings, but NOT Artecfacts of cruelty. It just replaces it.

Urien Cannot take anything from either Artefacts of Cruelty or Diabolical playthings, because he is a special characetr and must be used exactly as written. It doesnt matter if you're unbound or not, I'm not quite sure where that came from.

There is nothing to replace as haemonculus don't get access to artefacts of cruelty in the base list.

Drager wrote:
Theatre is nothing to replace as haemonculus don't get access to artefacts of cruelty in the base list.

Yep they really do have access, give your book a re-read.

@OP, there is no way to give an Archon or Succubus access to Diabolical Playthings.

"Any units from a Detachment or Formation presented in this book that can select Artefacts of Cruelty cannot select from those listed in Codex: Dark Eldar, but can instead select Diabolical Playthings, presented opposite, at the points costs shown."

And it then specifies what kind of units you can take in a Coven Detachment or Formation very carefully; Archon and Succubus are not on that list, even if you wanted to take one Unbound.

So, to summarize, ONLY Haemonculus models can choose Diabolical Playthings.
On the upside, they aren't limited to 1 like HQ models in the main Dark Eldar codex are limited to 1 Artefact of Cruelty.

Looking at the page now. It says

"May take items from the Weapons of Torture, Tools of Torment and/or lists."

That syntax is weird. Maybe there is an error in the epub.

Yeah Haemmonculus can take Artefacts of Cruelty. Check your codex it is clearly written. So what is the point of this discussion? Why did no one bother opening the actual book and reading? Someone did but then got shouted down by people that didn't. What is going on?

 FlingitNow wrote:
Yeah Haemmonculus can take Artefacts of Cruelty. Check your codex it is clearly written. So what is the point of this discussion? Why did no one bother opening the actual book and reading? Someone did but then got shouted down by people that didn't. What is going on?

I have read the book. In fact I quoted it in the post above yours. I am guessing there is an error in the publication. My 'dex does NOT say Artefacts of Cruelty can be taken by the Haemonculus, but as the sentence is weird I assume it is an error. Will need to check for an update.

It's an error. The epub and mobi is missing the "Artifacts of Cruelty" portion of that sentance but I sent an email to Black Library and they confirmed it will be added to an updated version of the download. (I know, I know when pigs fly)

I'm downloading it again to check to see if they got around to it along with the new FAQs. My internet is being terrible but It looks like the file is ever so slightly larger. I'll confirm in a few minutes once this gets downloaded.

*EDIT* Nope no change. Looks like Chrome likes to round up and explorer rounds down.

I have the hardback, it does state they may take artefacts of cruelty

Well then thanks to all of you who sorted out that haemonculus can take artifacts and it was just my ebook that did not have it in there that is a big mystery solved in my life and some new ideas for armys thanks for all the help.