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Made in au
Longtime Dakkanaut




Squatting with the squigs

It has come to my attention that I am casually racist. I work in an industry with a VERY varied cultural basis. ( primary industry) During my work i regularly play "guess your nationality" with customers for a twofold reason , a. it allows me to understand their predetermined views in regard to the industry.
and b. allows a severe icebreaker as I invariably get it seriously wrong ( except for the middle east).

In all honesty what I say would not be tolerated in the public service, but as I pick the customers I say it to I find an general positive response.Differences aren't bad in my view, differences are interesting, differences make life worth living. i hate the attempted and bs homogernisation of an inclusive society. I love my city (sydney) but if anyone said I could not mention anything along cultural backgrounds i feeel understanding of others would suffer. If someone cannot illustrate why some one is different how can they possibly accept it..

now get this i am not attempting to justify being xenophobic. ect ect ect, i just enjoy differences not pretend they don't exist. does anyone feel the same way?

I am not trying to justify hanging gak on people, just trying to understand if others feel that ethnicity is a positive and not a negative?

just re read what i wrote, i hope we can get a discussion out of this

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Recognising that cultural differences exist is not racist, casual or otherwise. Without cultures, and the interactions between those cultures, the world would suffer immensely.

 
   
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Squatting with the squigs

i hear what you are saying paradigm but casual racism is pretty much defined as: Casual Racism
The art of being slightly racist in a casual fashion. It's when one doesn't really hate people of another color, but finds jokes about them ridiculously funny. The casual racist will often make jokes about his own race in addition to jokes about other races. The casual racist does not hate, he appreciates.


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Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."

Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"

Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST" 
   
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Oh, right, I see now. So the likes of Englishman, Scotsman Irishman jokes then? Well to be honest, I don't take issue with stuff like that, there's really no harm done, and no conflict caused unless one party goes looking for it.

Believing one race to be inherently superior is wrong, but a little inter-nation joshing really isn't a problem, especially when not taken seriously (and really, no one does)

 
   
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Squatting with the squigs

i agree with you but i'm wondering how others feel about the (non) issue.

There is nothing more satisfying than defending an irishman being harrassed for irish dancing by englishmen than refferring to morris dancing.I love hammering englishman with that when they start to harrass an irishman.




and wave a hanky and walk in a circle

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Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."

Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"

Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST" 
   
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Oh ffs... Thats...not racism.

I don't believe in this "Casual Racism" social justice crap. Racism has a very specific definition.

Oxford Dictionary wrote: 1The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races:


You're either racist or you're not.

Do you believe that people of other races are inferior? Congratulations, you're a racist.

You don't think that? Stop worrying.

Being ignorant as to other people's cultural identities, making jokes and/or making assumptions =/= racism unless you think they're inferior to you because of of their race.




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Made in au
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Squatting with the squigs

I wasn't worrying just realised that i pretty much embodied casual racism as per the definition.
just interested how others felt.

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Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."

Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"

Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST" 
   
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Racism is the belief in an inherent superiority over others based upon irrational/imaginary criteria.

Guessing stereotypes is not the same thing.

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Made in au
Longtime Dakkanaut




Squatting with the squigs

Maybe I should have had an average age poll for this thread, I'm starting to think we are all over 30 at a minimum.

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Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."

Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"

Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST" 
   
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 Bullockist wrote:
Maybe I should have had an average age poll for this thread, I'm starting to think we are all over 30 at a minimum.


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Burtucky, Michigan

Yes I'm the same way. I joke and make light of the differences. I too enjoy them, it's interesting to me how we can all live so close to another and still be so wildly different. I love it.

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Made in au
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Squatting with the squigs

I've worked 80% of my life in workplaces that weren't anglo centric . I love difference,somehow university is telling me that's bad.

At those workplaces i check my yellow privilege at the gate . ( I'm thinking if i am in a workplace that is 70% one race I'm suffering some bad form of negative [yeah, i said it ] privilege .)

where's mellisia and hybrid? still in school?

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My new blog: http://kardoorkapers.blogspot.com.au/

Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."

Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"

Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST" 
   
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 Bullockist wrote:
I've worked 80% of my life in workplaces that weren't anglo centric . I love difference,somehow university is telling me that's bad.

At those workplaces i check my yellow privilege at the gate . ( I'm thinking if i am in a workplace that is 70% one race I'm suffering some bad form of negative [yeah, i said it ] privilege .)


Just play The Race Card. That'll show 'em.

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Squatting with the squigs

i tried man, but they just called me "white person I have no respect for" (in korean) AND IT RUINED MY WHOLE LIFE!

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Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."

Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"

Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST" 
   
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Norwalk, Connecticut

My best friends are Jewish (2), Hispanic (2), and black (1). Yeah, not even close to being racist. That said, I've busted a couple jokes on them, like going to a con with a couple of them and having them over for dinner first, while "apologizing" to my black friend that we were having spaghetti and meatballs, not fried chicken. He had a good laugh at that. Between friends, the jokes are totally fine. I would never say such a thing to someone I barely knew, but have no trouble busting my friend's balls. Does it put him down? Absolutely not. Just like everything else, it's all about context.

And as for your example with asking customers nationality and such...it can help make for a great rapport. I was working as a contractor for the national guard, and one of the female soldiers had a particular accent, so I asked if she was Brazilian, because it matched my old roommate's accent. She said I made her day, and that most people get it wrong, but I was absolutely right. Yeah...I don't see any crime with that kinda thing. Social heroes need to back down.

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Squatting with the squigs

as i realise you are under 30 i think i wanto to hug you timetowaste85 , i love how you see that differences are things we love and absorb rather than things we fear.

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Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."

Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"

Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST" 
   
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"Casual racist" here, and making no apologies.

Seriously, people who say they're not casual racist (as per the definition given in this thread) are either liars or unsociable. And one does not exclude the other.

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 Aesop the God Awful wrote:
Seriously, people who say they're not casual racist (as per the definition given in this thread) are either liars or unsociable. And one does not exclude the other.


And people who think everyone is racist are deluding themselves and making excuses for their own shortcomings. Or to (probably badly) quote the Queen from Destiny "Often when we guess at others motivations we reveal our own".

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What's great is that you can express how you feel and go with what you really believe in your setting. But from the sounds of it, you'll need to be very careful around some people.

I grew up an only child (feel free to stereotype that) and had almost no contact with people from other races even through high school. But in high school we had to learn about racism and one of the ways the teacher decided to do this was to have us read a book titled with a single word that starts with N. This book talked about the use of the word and included many racist jokes. This teacher then had us read passages in class, much like any class of students had to go around reading passages. Without knowing, I became the class racist when I read the words in the book instead of pausing, being sheepish, or calling it "the N word". The class confirmed their suspicions when I laughed a few of the jokes listed in the book: "haha that's hilarious because why would anyone ever think like that? I've never seen anyone think that way and it seems silly so it's funny. Didn't racism end a long time ago or something?"

Moral of the story: it doesn't matter what you really think. You can enjoy being yourself around a few people like you but when you go out others are going to judge you immediately if you start expressing those beliefs in any way and they'll assume the worst about you because you're not non-racist the exact same way they are non-racist. It's ironic really.
   
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If this is already racist, than I am one. Jokes about Estonians are just too funny.
I don't think it is really racism though, as long as you recognise they are just jokes.

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 Bullockist wrote:
i hear what you are saying paradigm but casual racism is pretty much defined as: Casual Racism
The art of being slightly racist in a casual fashion. It's when one doesn't really hate people of another color, but finds jokes about them ridiculously funny. The casual racist will often make jokes about his own race in addition to jokes about other races. The casual racist does not hate, he appreciates.



If the jokes are funny enough to make the other person laugh with you then it's probably not racist. It's just using humor to point out stereotypes and cultural differences. If you're angering people or using epithets in an insulting or demeaning manner you're being a racist gak. Sense of humor is subjective so be careful what you say and how you say it if you don't know your audience.

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Kamloops, BC

 timetowaste85 wrote:
My best friends are Jewish (2), Hispanic (2), and black (1). Yeah, not even close to being racist. That said, I've busted a couple jokes on them, like going to a con with a couple of them and having them over for dinner first, while "apologizing" to my black friend that we were having spaghetti and meatballs, not fried chicken. He had a good laugh at that. Between friends, the jokes are totally fine. I would never say such a thing to someone I barely knew, but have no trouble busting my friend's balls. Does it put him down? Absolutely not. Just like everything else, it's all about context.

And as for your example with asking customers nationality and such...it can help make for a great rapport. I was working as a contractor for the national guard, and one of the female soldiers had a particular accent, so I asked if she was Brazilian, because it matched my old roommate's accent. She said I made her day, and that most people get it wrong, but I was absolutely right. Yeah...I don't see any crime with that kinda thing. Social heroes need to back down.


This is generally how I handle things too if I know the person well I may occasionally crack some racial humour, but I don't usually bring it up with people I don't know.
   
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Racism easily starts with a joke

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One thing i have noticed is that often the term "racist/racism" can be used as a argument shutdown.

One of my best friends (white) has a good example.

He was speaking to a hispanic person and they got into an argument. The hispanic guy called my friend a racist, thinking that it would make him back down. Wrong.

Severe tongue lashing ensured.

Back on topic, i firmly believe that one can tread the line between joking and open racism. Speak carefully.

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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Oh ffs... Thats...not racism.

I don't believe in this "Casual Racism" social justice crap. Racism has a very specific definition.

Oxford Dictionary wrote: 1The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races:


You're either racist or you're not.

Do you believe that people of other races are inferior? Congratulations, you're a racist.

You don't think that? Stop worrying.

Being ignorant as to other people's cultural identities, making jokes and/or making assumptions =/= racism unless you think they're inferior to you because of of their race.

My personal take is that the definition you put forward is a lot more honest than the "power and privilege" one that is currently being pushed.

And in the interests of science; 31

 
   
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 Jihadin wrote:
Racism easily starts with a joke


Only if the person making the joke actually thinks other races are inferior.

Jeez, we had this argument in one of my own threads a while back, when I reposted on Dakka a chain email of Irish jokes that my Northern Irish dad (from Belfast) sent me, and which I found funny. Does that mean I think Irish people are racially inferior? Hell no. Half my extended family is Irish.

And the people in that thread who acused me of racism were...not Irish. The actual Irish members of Dakka sided with me, and responded with jokes about us English. Did I interpret their jokes as racist towards us English? Nope.

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Burtucky, Michigan

 timetowaste85 wrote:
My best friends are Jewish (2), Hispanic (2), and black (1). Yeah, not even close to being racist. That said, I've busted a couple jokes on them, like going to a con with a couple of them and having them over for dinner first, while "apologizing" to my black friend that we were having spaghetti and meatballs, not fried chicken. He had a good laugh at that. Between friends, the jokes are totally fine. I would never say such a thing to someone I barely knew, but have no trouble busting my friend's balls. Does it put him down? Absolutely not. Just like everything else, it's all about context.

And as for your example with asking customers nationality and such...it can help make for a great rapport. I was working as a contractor for the national guard, and one of the female soldiers had a particular accent, so I asked if she was Brazilian, because it matched my old roommate's accent. She said I made her day, and that most people get it wrong, but I was absolutely right. Yeah...I don't see any crime with that kinda thing. Social heroes need to back down.



I agree that it helps when you're friends. My buddy big John gave me the name Cracker, and he's a black guy, I laughed my ass off
   
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
 Jihadin wrote:
Racism easily starts with a joke


Only if the person making the joke actually thinks other races are inferior.


Who says they do not already think that way.

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Casual racism is still racism.

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