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 IJW wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

I won't go into too much detail, but I personally believe it is because they are trying too hard to differentiate the mechanics of an RPG from the mechanics they currently have with the miniature game.

Are you talking about CB or Modiphius now?

CB.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Sure. Background books for each faction would have been a great companion to the free rules that exist for the game. Quite often people ask where they can read the background of a specific faction, but not having a single book that you can point them to is problematic.

Personally, I think Infinity is still too small to support seven separate background books as a commercial proposition.

I think that is because you are assuming that the idea I'm having would be big hulking monstrosities like the Infinity rulebooks.

I'm thinking something like the size of GW's "Apocalypse War Zone" books. Somewhere in the range of 68-80 pages would be just about right for a background book detailing a single faction.

That's the size of publication I'm thinking of, not some huge hardback. The main problem I see with your ToC is that there's an awful lot of overlap with the existing books.

But as people like yourself love to point out, not everyone buys the books to get started.

I'll never understand why people don't like KS.

If you actually cared about the companies, you'd support Kickstarter. It's an ideal means for a small company (or any company, really) to mitigate tons of risk.

I'd rather see Corvus Belli, Mierce, Infamy, and any number of other companies use Kickstarter to mitigate that risk instead of taking a risk on a product that does poorly (see: Dreadfleet) and ends up killing their bottom line or potentially putting them out of business.

It's not Corvus Belli running the Kickstarter.

It's a third party company doing the Kickstarter.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's not Corvus Belli running the Kickstarter.

It's a third party company doing the Kickstarter.

I understand that.

So I should care less about whom they've elected to partner with on the Infinity RPG than I should for CB?

Hell, I'd have been fine if CB had Kickstarted Icestorm.

 Kanluwen wrote:

CB.

That makes even less sense. As far as I'm aware, CB started with the tabletop mechanics and couldn't make them work for an RPG.

 Kanluwen wrote:

But as people like yourself love to point out, not everyone buys the books to get started.

I generally try to avoid pointing out whether people do or don't buy the books, just that it's not necessary to play the game.

The problem then is that everyone who does buy the books ends up with lots of duplicate content if they want to buy any of the faction books too.

 IJW wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

CB.

That makes even less sense. As far as I'm aware, CB started with the tabletop mechanics and couldn't make them work for an RPG.

Because they want to overcomplicate things, IMO.

It's worth noting that Mophidius has now said, at least twice, that the RPG is going to be cross compatible with the tabletop game.

 Kanluwen wrote:

But as people like yourself love to point out, not everyone buys the books to get started.

I generally try to avoid pointing out whether people do or don't buy the books, just that it's not necessary to play the game.

The problem then is that everyone who does buy the books ends up with lots of duplicate content if they want to buy any of the faction books too.

Again, that's assuming that the information is just going to be copy/pasted from the main book.

There is plenty of room to expand on unit details.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Because they want to overcomplicate things, IMO.

It's worth noting that Mophidius has now said, at least twice, that the RPG is going to be cross compatible with the tabletop game.

Where are you getting that CB wanted to overcomplicate things from?

And no, Modiphius have said that they will be adding a way to convert between the tabletop and the RPG, not that they will be cross-compatible.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Again, that's assuming that the information is just going to be copy/pasted from the main book.

There is plenty of room to expand on unit details.

All I can go on is what you post, and what you listed would automatically include large amounts of duplication, even if it's re-written duplication.

When this is released would anyone in the gmt (or close to it) be up for trying a game over roll 20 or similar? Sure we could get enough dakka guys to find a free hour or two on a weekend to get a game together.

I'm just going to let it go.

Good for you all who want this RPG! Yay!

 Kanluwen wrote:
If we see a video game, I want to see it done by a big name studio with big name funding.

And I don't just want X-COM: Infinity. If I want to play a strategic game for Infinity, I would be playing Infinity.

I've pitched the idea before of if they do an Infinity video game it should be a FPS/3PS set during Campaign: Paradiso and engage in 'faction hopping' where there are multiple campaigns all telling the POV of a faction during the conflict.

While I would have absolutely NO issues with an X-COM variant, I think your idea is excellent...would be all over that one.

I'm tempted to sign up for the playtest to get a look at the rules and see how adaptable they are before buying, but at the same time I'm not sure I'll actually be able to get around to playing a session (unless it was online). Is there any kind of obligation to provide feedback for these things, or is it worth signing up on the off chance I do get to give it a shot?

On the subject of a videogame, I think FPS would be the way to go; give me Halo 4 engine/graphics in an Infinity setting and I'd be very happy indeed!

In the same boat as you paradigm. Singing up anyway and gonna see if I can get some people,to play online.

 carlos13th wrote:
In the same boat as you paradigm. Singing up anyway and gonna see if I can get some people,to play online.

I've signed up as well. Time permitting, I'd be up for playtesting in an online session.

Throwing in my 2 cents. One of the reasons there will need to be a different system is for legal reasons. It's a licensed product. Think of how many Star Wars RPG's have been done differently. (Mayfair had the best.) Also I think it wouldn't have been done at all if it wasn't licensed. They can cross into the table top game a bit as long as they have permission to do it. I'm all for this and looking forward to it.

I'd just like to interject that the reason some people don't like KS is because unlike buying a crappy game if a KS fails you're kinda hosed. I've found good uses for good components of poor games such as using dreadfleet ships for man o war. Or I've written fun rules for bad games with good components. Plus with a KS if you pledge & then the company makes significant changes you may wind up committing $ to a project you no longer care for. Finally I don't understand your reference to dreadfleet bankrupting gw. GW hurts itself with their own policies & only caring about initial sales vs long term sales in their business model.

In summation a bad game may well be bad or that may be subjective. It may not be what the consumers want or do as well as hoped but ultimately that's more akin to the Ford raptor bombing & you bought one & hate it vs buying stock in a company dependent on a big project funded by stock purchases & then finding out that company pulled a Facebook IPO. Neither is ideal but at least with the former you acquired a tangible while with the latter you acquired a kick in the wallet.

This is pretty awesome! I love me some sci-fi RPGs. There really aren't that many out there, especially compared to a lot of other genres. Hopefully this turns out well so I can add it to my collection of RPG books I've never played.

You missed the content and point of my post entirely. Well done.

As a reminder, the core rulebook will be a normal release, it's the add-ons that will be via Kickstarter.

I'm finding myself agreeing with Kanluwen here.

An RPG is the last place I wanted them to go expanding the universe, but that's because I'm not an RPG player and don't have a regular group to try it. I'd have much preferred a 15mm game with a larger scale to tie into Acheron Falls 'larger Combined Army offensive', or if they wanted to branch our of the tabletop, a series of novels or graphic novels, or as already mentioned, a video game.

But, good for those that will enjoy the RPG

edit - Just to add, I worded my last part badly. That's not to say I won't buy it. I'll dig the fluff and art and might eventually wind up having a chance to play it. I was just hoping for something different.

I wasn't sure how I felt about this when it was announced. I'm still wary because it's new to me and that alienates me quite a bit. But I want the fluff, I want the art, I eventually want the miniatures and I want to try the game. So I guess I'm all in, very literally when that KS rolls around.

 carlos13th wrote:
In the same boat as you paradigm. Singing up anyway and gonna see if I can get some people,to play online.

I'm totally up for getting a group together for some online play. I've always wanted to play pen and paper RPGs but I've never had a gaming group. So I'm total noob but if you'll have me I'd love to be part of this. Even if we could do a one off with whoever wants in and we'll just find a good time that works for whatever timezones we are all in.

Since the guys making it said the miniature will be for sell after the Kickstart to everyone. I don't really care what else they do.

Paradigm wrote:

 carlos13th wrote:
In the same boat as you paradigm. Singing up anyway and gonna see if I can get some people,to play online.

I've signed up as well. Time permitting, I'd be up for playtesting in an online session.

Paradigm wrote:I'm tempted to sign up for the playtest to get a look at the rules and see how adaptable they are before buying, but at the same time I'm not sure I'll actually be able to get around to playing a session (unless it was online). Is there any kind of obligation to provide feedback for these things, or is it worth signing up on the off chance I do get to give it a shot?

On the subject of a videogame, I think FPS would be the way to go; give me Halo 4 engine/graphics in an Infinity setting and I'd be very happy indeed!

carlos13th wrote:In the same boat as you paradigm. Singing up anyway and gonna see if I can get some people,to play online.

Casey's Law wrote:I wasn't sure how I felt about this when it was announced. I'm still wary because it's new to me and that alienates me quite a bit. But I want the fluff, I want the art, I eventually want the miniatures and I want to try the game. So I guess I'm all in, very literally when that KS rolls around.

 carlos13th wrote:
In the same boat as you paradigm. Singing up anyway and gonna see if I can get some people,to play online.

I'm totally up for getting a group together for some online play. I've always wanted to play pen and paper RPGs but I've never had a gaming group. So I'm total noob but if you'll have me I'd love to be part of this. Even if we could do a one off with whoever wants in and we'll just find a good time that works for whatever timezones we are all in.

If there is a way to do it online then I'd be up for a couple of team dakka sessions as well.

It will be interesting to see where they take the games setting because with an RPG your imagination is the limit. Will you be a multinational spec ops team? Cops and robbers or maybe an independent crew of smugglers just trying to cope in the verse? Very excited about this if you guys can't already tell.

For those of you saying about having an infinity video game ( which would be cool btw) 1/ how many good licensed video games have there been compared to the bad ones? 2/ do you think that an infinity the game video game might struggle to get out of the box with the Disney infinity jugernaugt all ready out there?

I'm absolutely stoked for this. My group is a hybrid wargame/RPG kind of group, so I know they'll be down for me running something in the Infinity-verse.

Mophidius have a great track record in terms of production quality and value, so I have no qualms with that.

The 2d20 system is a good fit for Infinity without basically just being a copy-paste job of the wargame's mechanics in to an RPG framework (which seldom works out very well, though I admit IK made a damn good run at it; though it is heavily criticized for exactly that reason by many RP'ers). The basics of the system are easily malleable to fit Infinity's tone and feel and they should make for a nice medium-crunch engine to drive a lot of different stories.

And they do have some utility for general fans since most RPG books tend to be heavy on setting details. And if there is one part of Infinity that has needed fleshing out for a while, it is the non-military side of things. The various background blurbs for troop types is all well and good, but war games seldom get in to the in-depth stuff (hell, they very rarely even delve deeply in to military stuff) because all of that usually falls outside the scope of the game (even stuff with tangential applicability like how the various militaries are organized; which may be interesting to folks, but wont often come up in game). RPGs are a great excuse to delve in to all kinds of topics and flesh out the game's background and to give it more context.

And that kind of thing can be helpful even if you wargame exclusively. This kind of stuff is a treasure trove for narrative scenario design, it allows things to live and breath just a little more.

So yeah, I'm happy with this in a way few other decisions would have made me happy. And I say this as a guy who would eventually love a 15mm Infinity game. Because the latter would give us a bit more of the same with a different window dressing. But an RPG will be the kind of thing that can really add depth and life to the setting by allowing us to shift our focus away from the warzones and in to other sections of the background.

Man, I can't wait to run this.

An RPG is cool. New minis, new background and stuff. Never played an rpg but I might pick this up anyway.

Anyone else think "are you ready for the truth?" is an odd leading line for it. I was ready to see the light! Some kind of truth bomb that would shake things up. This is just another product release (a cool one though).

 ckig wrote:
Anyone else think "are you ready for the truth?" is an odd leading line for it. I was ready to see the light! Some kind of truth bomb that would shake things up. This is just another product release (a cool one though).

Definitely. I actually think this was why at my initial reaction was to feel underwhelmed and even a little cheesed off. I felt pretty cheated by the slogan despite this being big news.

Eh, they had been teasing for a while with those secret sections of their seminars. I figured that was the truth they were talking about. I think folks were a bit too quick to jump on the "it must be a truth about the setting" train. But, well, the official forums are known for letting rampant speculation spiral out of control... people were carefully dissecting each and every image posted to the website as if there was some hidden meaning to them. Hell, until the Yu Jing picture was posted some folks were double-plus sure it was something about the Tohaa and Ariadna.

I think folks just let their imagination get away from 'em. For the months leading up to now, CB had been keeping part of the seminars "off the record" and after the Feast of Blades one it was pretty obvious that the truth was some kind of news about a general release of some kind.

I'll admit it, when I heard one of the guys in the Feast of Blades video say "they finally did it" during the applause, I figured it was either this or a comic book (both things they've wanted to do with the setting for a while). So this was definitely 100% in line with my expectations.

 JoeRugby wrote:

Paradigm wrote:

 carlos13th wrote:
In the same boat as you paradigm. Singing up anyway and gonna see if I can get some people,to play online.

I've signed up as well. Time permitting, I'd be up for playtesting in an online session.

Paradigm wrote:I'm tempted to sign up for the playtest to get a look at the rules and see how adaptable they are before buying, but at the same time I'm not sure I'll actually be able to get around to playing a session (unless it was online). Is there any kind of obligation to provide feedback for these things, or is it worth signing up on the off chance I do get to give it a shot?

On the subject of a videogame, I think FPS would be the way to go; give me Halo 4 engine/graphics in an Infinity setting and I'd be very happy indeed!

carlos13th wrote:In the same boat as you paradigm. Singing up anyway and gonna see if I can get some people,to play online.

Casey's Law wrote:I wasn't sure how I felt about this when it was announced. I'm still wary because it's new to me and that alienates me quite a bit. But I want the fluff, I want the art, I eventually want the miniatures and I want to try the game. So I guess I'm all in, very literally when that KS rolls around.

 carlos13th wrote:
In the same boat as you paradigm. Singing up anyway and gonna see if I can get some people,to play online.

I'm totally up for getting a group together for some online play. I've always wanted to play pen and paper RPGs but I've never had a gaming group. So I'm total noob but if you'll have me I'd love to be part of this. Even if we could do a one off with whoever wants in and we'll just find a good time that works for whatever timezones we are all in.

If there is a way to do it online then I'd be up for a couple of team dakka sessions as well.

It will be interesting to see where they take the games setting because with an RPG your imagination is the limit. Will you be a multinational spec ops team? Cops and robbers or maybe an independent crew of smugglers just trying to cope in the verse? Very excited about this if you guys can't already tell.

For those of you saying about having an infinity video game ( which would be cool btw) 1/ how many good licensed video games have there been compared to the bad ones? 2/ do you think that an infinity the game video game might struggle to get out of the box with the Disney infinity jugernaugt all ready out there?

If you all pm me and get a Skype account we can sort something out.

Hey guys happy to answer any questions if you have them.

We're working with CB on minis in advance of the kickstarter giving it plenty of time, so it doesn't impact their schedule. We all know this is the most important thing so don't worry we won't be stealing their design time away from the range. Minis will not be vital for the RPG - the 2d20 incarnation for Mutant Chronicles actually doesn't have a tactical system (i.e. squares and metre ranges) but uses 'areas of interest' like a filthy sewer tunnel, a street full of derelict wrecks. It's more narrative. Doesn't mean that's the way we'll do the Infinity version but the point is you won't NEED minis - not everyone likes using them, but of course when i first found Infinity I just thought the whole range screamed RPG minis so i was to be honest I'd say we don't need much for starters as there's so much choice right now. I for one will be having one in front of me just to remind myself the kind of awesome action I should be thinking of - yes kind of Hong Kong movie style flying through the air both guns blazing down the throat of another Combined Army monstrosity or dealing with the backstabbing son a %$*£@ who just turned in your group to the cops.

Anyway fire away any difficult questions and will do my best to answer as I can - if not tonight then tomorrow

 modiphius wrote:
Hey guys happy to answer any questions if you have them.

We're working with CB on minis in advance of the kickstarter giving it plenty of time, so it doesn't impact their schedule. We all know this is the most important thing so don't worry we won't be stealing their design time away from the range. Minis will not be vital for the RPG - the 2d20 incarnation for Mutant Chronicles actually doesn't have a tactical system (i.e. squares and metre ranges) but uses 'areas of interest' like a filthy sewer tunnel, a street full of derelict wrecks. It's more narrative. Doesn't mean that's the way we'll do the Infinity version but the point is you won't NEED minis - not everyone likes using them, but of course when i first found Infinity I just thought the whole range screamed RPG minis so i was to be honest I'd say we don't need much for starters as there's so much choice right now. I for one will be having one in front of me just to remind myself the kind of awesome action I should be thinking of - yes kind of Hong Kong movie style flying through the air both guns blazing down the throat of another Combined Army monstrosity or dealing with the backstabbing son a %$*£@ who just turned in your group to the cops.

Anyway fire away any difficult questions and will do my best to answer as I can - if not tonight then tomorrow

Don't have any questions, but glad you popped down to answer

 modiphius wrote:
Hey guys happy to answer any questions if you have them.

We're working with CB on minis in advance of the kickstarter giving it plenty of time, so it doesn't impact their schedule. We all know this is the most important thing so don't worry we won't be stealing their design time away from the range. Minis will not be vital for the RPG - the 2d20 incarnation for Mutant Chronicles actually doesn't have a tactical system (i.e. squares and metre ranges) but uses 'areas of interest' like a filthy sewer tunnel, a street full of derelict wrecks. It's more narrative. Doesn't mean that's the way we'll do the Infinity version but the point is you won't NEED minis - not everyone likes using them, but of course when i first found Infinity I just thought the whole range screamed RPG minis so i was to be honest I'd say we don't need much for starters as there's so much choice right now. I for one will be having one in front of me just to remind myself the kind of awesome action I should be thinking of - yes kind of Hong Kong movie style flying through the air both guns blazing down the throat of another Combined Army monstrosity or dealing with the backstabbing son a %$*£@ who just turned in your group to the cops.

Anyway fire away any difficult questions and will do my best to answer as I can - if not tonight then tomorrow

Thanks for popping by. I know its early days atm and you may not know but what are you planning on doing in terms of people playing characters of different factions? Also will all factions be playable?

Thanks