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 thedarkavenger wrote:
 Thunderfrog wrote:
Specific Permission: Summon a character worth X points. You may purchase any options, equipment, or magical items that character would normally be allotted.

Thus:

1. I have a summoned wizard with the Great McGuffin.

2. He died.

3. I summon another wizard. I look around the table and check to make sure... lo and behold, there are no characters I control holding the Great McGuffin....

Up to this point, 0 controversy.

I don't see why the summoned and now destroyed Great McGuffin still counts against me. It was never part of my army list and since the unit that it was in was summoned and destroyed, I think I would be fine summoning another character holding a Great McGuffin.

And keep in mind, this doesn't break the dupe magic items rule, which states you cannot have more than 1 copy of an item in your army. Since the other died, its not in your army anymore, nor was it purchased during the "Selecting your army" portion of the game.


When he dies, does the Great McGuffin disappear from your army list?
He's not talking about the Great McGuffin. He's talking about the Great McGuffin (wizard) summoning another Wizard (henceforth called McGuffin II) which has a magic item (not in the army list). When that summoned Wizard (McGuffin II) gets killed, can you summon another wizard (McGuffin III) with the same magical item(s) because summoned creatures are not added to your army list.

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 namiel wrote:


While a unit you control is on the table summoned or not it is part of your army thus being on your "list".


And the rule that states summoned units count as part of your army is.........? Please I have been asking for this rule since early on the first page. Provide us with the rule that says summoned units count as part of your list, page number and quote. No one so far as done this.

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I didn't read the whole thread but I think summoning multiples of special characters and magic items just requires the answer "No". Even if you can find a loop hole in the rules, it's not worth going into it. Just play the game
   
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Rx8Speed wrote:
I didn't read the whole thread but I think summoning multiples of special characters and magic items just requires the answer "No". Even if you can find a loop hole in the rules, it's not worth going into it. Just play the game


You might need to read the whole thread then. Also summoning multiple characters and even most magic items are a waste in resources since it takes to long of a build up on ryze counters just to do it as well as most magic items of use are one use only doesn't matter how many copies you summon.

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Don't things like being within 12" of a vamp Lord to March only affect undead in your army?
   
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 Formosa wrote:
Don't things like being within 12" of a vamp Lord to March only affect undead in your army?


Undead in the book of nagash pg 18 "Undead: .... Lastly, units with this special rule cannot make march moves unless they are within 12" of the army General..." From how I am reading it, it doesn't matter where the unit is from as long as it has the Undead special rule.

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Ah I was wondering about that, also if these units are not in your army, who controls them? Can you cast buff spells on things that are not part of your army?

I don't know, this all seems like a can of worms
   
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 Formosa wrote:
Ah I was wondering about that, also if these units are not in your army, who controls them? Can you cast buff spells on things that are not part of your army?

I don't know, this all seems like a can of worms


Once again read the whole thread all of those questions are already answered. Having summoned units not count as one's army is the easiest way for summoned units to work, if they did count as part of one's army the game breaks down so much that the lore of undeath is unplayable.

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So if your playing blood and glory, summoned banners do nothing?

 thedarkavenger wrote:

So. I got a game with this list in. First game in at least 3-4 months.
 
   
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And you can't target them with augments as they aren'tallies or your army.

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 HawaiiMatt wrote:
So if your playing blood and glory, summoned banners do nothing?


If you mean for breaking point and fortitude then you are correct they do nothing in that regard. It wouldn't really be fair if you could simply keep adding standards. It even list in the example givin about the 2k pt army details on how to work out breaking point and fortitude.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
And you can't target them with augments as they aren'tallies or your army.


Could I get a rule quote on that? I'm not finding anything that says you can't cast an augment on a unit you control. Just that they can't be cast on enemy units. Unless you are talking about them being part of Undead army which count them as a non-aligned force, but we have rules for those in the brb 138 under suspicious allies and there isn't any rule saying you can't cast augments on them. And in fact it says to treat them as trusted allies except can't use the genera;'s inspriting presence, cant use an allied BS hold your ground and characters can't join units of suspicious allies. But what it does say under trusted allies is pg 137 "Are counted as being "friendly" units from the point of view of targing spells, abilities and so on. E.G. They can be targted by augment spells, but not hex, dircet damage or magic missle spells, and so on."


I'm still waiting on someone to provide a rule that says summoned units count as part of one's army.

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Oberron wrote:
 HawaiiMatt wrote:
So if your playing blood and glory, summoned banners do nothing?


If you mean for breaking point and fortitude then you are correct they do nothing in that regard. It wouldn't really be fair if you could simply keep adding standards. It even list in the example givin about the 2k pt army details on how to work out breaking point and fortitude.

Interesting, I'll add this to the list of things to discuss locally.


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 Ehsteve wrote:

Interesting, I'll add this to the list of things to discuss locally.


Let us know what your group thinks about it.

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