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So while dakkanauts managed to lock my previous thread in 24 hours time, i have decided to put FAQ before posting anything
Q: are they Neo-nazis?
NO NO NO AND NO! DID I SAY NO??? Their CEO's grand grand father was killed by Gestapo, and his predeccessors fought and died in WW2 against nazis, what kind of slowed would he have to be to be one OR ALLOW others into the Dev team?
Q: But the game is so offensive! You kill innocent civilians and minorities
you kill everyone Also, how many islamists, nazis have you killed in games such as battlefield or call of duty? And how many innocent civilians did you slaughtered in GTA and Postal? Also, if you are offended by anything, then the internet maybe isn't a place for you.
Please don't discuss those topics.. OK?
The trailer:


I really like what i see....
(except for the thrashy lines, but i can live...)

Are you asking us to not talk about killing civilians and other innocents when the entire game is about killing civilians and other innocents?

 Sigvatr wrote:
Are you asking us to not talk about killing civilians and other innocents when the entire game is about killing civilians and other innocents?

hahaha, sorry i have said it a bit wrong LOL. I just don't want to talk about the(im)morallity of doing that ingame and how you are offended by that because your subculture was victim of the antagonist In-game
EDIT NO 2: dammit, i am so tired, my point is: that is flogging a dead horse, since it has already been seen like 9001 times

The game holds no real appeal to me. I mean, going nuts and killing everyone in a level during, say, a Hitman game was a fun distraction every now and again, but I never thought that building a whole game around that concept would be all that fun (it would likely overstay its welcome within a few levels).

Nevertheless I think I can wait to see a few reviews before passing any real judgement on the game.

As for its actual content/topic/tone, it's a very simple case of "If you don't like it, don't buy it.", and not much more beyond that needs to be said.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Are you asking us to not talk about killing civilians and other innocents when the entire game is about killing civilians and other innocents?

Hey stop that!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The game holds no real appeal to me. I mean, going nuts and killing everyone in a level during, say, a Hitman game was a fun distraction every now and again, but I never thought that building a whole game around that concept would be all that fun (it would likely overstay its welcome within a few levels).

Nevertheless I think I can wait to see a few reviews before passing any real judgement on the game.

As for its actual content/topic/tone, it's a very simple case of "If you don't like it, don't buy it.", and not much more beyond that needs to be said.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Are you asking us to not talk about killing civilians and other innocents when the entire game is about killing civilians and other innocents?

Hey stop that!

I know that if nothing else, it will be just great for venting frustrations after bad multiplayer game(s)(in my case Counter strike or World of tanks) when the matchmaking decides to troll me....

 Sigvatr wrote:
Are you asking us to not talk about killing civilians and other innocents when the entire game is about killing civilians and other innocents?

That's what it sounds like. But I guess literary criticism of video games, IE, proper video game journalism, is still not an acceptable thing.

Wow. It's like a 14 year old's "hardcore" dream made into a game.

Still juvenile. Still boring. Still uninteresting in it's "LOOK AT HOW DARK AND HARDCORE I AM PLEASE GIVE ME ATTENTION!"

Pass.

I am actually not opposed to violence in games but there must be more to it than that.

This game seems to be... lacking.

 Melissia wrote:
That's what it sounds like. But I guess literary criticism of video games, IE, proper video game journalism, is still not an acceptable thing.

Literary criticism of video games =/= Proper video game journalism, Mel. It just isn't.

Critique is just that, critique, and journalism is the reporting on the gaming industry. People can do both, but both are not the same.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I am actually not opposed to violence in games but there must be more to it than that.

This game seems to be... lacking.

It needs comedy, or some other interesting angle to it.

Hotline Miami for example is exceptionally fun and interesting as you never know if anything is real, as everything about it seems like some strange drug induced fever dream.

But for example if Hatred had some other angle to it, like the Meet the Pyro video where you think you're spreading hugs n' love (and actually are roasting people alive), or something Deadpool 'esque. Of course if it had a W40K skin on it I'd probably buy it up out of boredom if the price is right. I couldn't turn away Kharn: The Videogame.

What is the story for this thing?

I see nothing but that which must not be discussed in the trailer.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
That's what it sounds like. But I guess literary criticism of video games, IE, proper video game journalism, is still not an acceptable thing.

Literary criticism of video games =/= Proper video game journalism, Mel. It just isn't.

Critique is just that, critique, and journalism is the reporting on the gaming industry. People can do both, but both are not the same.

Gaming is an art. To have journalism about an art, you need critique. Not ass-kissing the developers.


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 Gitzbitah wrote:
What is the story for this thing?

I see nothing but that which must not be discussed in the trailer.

You're a generic, scruffy, angry white man and you want to kill people who didn't kiss your ass and bow down to your whims, especially women. That's the story as far as I can tell.

 curran12 wrote:
Wow. It's like a 14 year old's "hardcore" dream made into a game.

Still juvenile. Still boring. Still uninteresting in it's "LOOK AT HOW DARK AND HARDCORE I AM PLEASE GIVE ME ATTENTION!"

Pass.

Roughly my thoughts as well.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I am actually not opposed to violence in games but there must be more to it than that.

This game seems to be... lacking.

It needs comedy, or some other interesting angle to it.

Hotline Miami for example is exceptionally fun and interesting as you never know if anything is real, as everything about it seems like some strange drug induced fever dream.

But for example if Hatred had some other angle to it, like the Meet the Pyro video where you think you're spreading hugs n' love (and actually are roasting people alive), or something Deadpool 'esque. Of course if it had a W40K skin on it I'd probably buy it up out of boredom if the price is right. I couldn't turn away Kharn: The Videogame.

It's kind of aggressively generic. From what I have seen, it doesn't have any levity, crazy, biting social commentary, or "biting social commentary". Nothing that is normally attached to these ultra violent games.

Dear lord, the writing is terrible.

To the authors, I think the terrible writing is feature. They want the game to be anti-artsy and without any meaning (though they fail at the latter, as they insert meaning in to it by the choice of victims), though it just terrible as a result.

Wow. It's like a 14 year old's "hardcore" dream made into a game.

Still juvenile. Still boring. Still uninteresting in it's "LOOK AT HOW DARK AND HARDCORE I AM PLEASE GIVE ME ATTENTION!"

Pass.

Simply QFT. Unless they do something seriously interesting as the game developes and they actually think things out rather than a mindless slaughter I'd play candy crush before this.

I also disagree on a personal level with some of the graphic kill sequences. Yes yes we've seen as bad before but taken in the context of this game I find them disturbing.

It doesn't look fun intresting, unquie, impressive or innovative in anyway.

It looks like a generic twin stick shooter with an emo revenge fantasy plot that's ultra violent for no reason other than to cause controversy in an effort to boost sales.

I have no problem with making a game about an insane spree killer. But this just looks so shoddy so far.

 Melissia wrote:

You're a generic, scruffy, angry white man and you want to kill people who didn't kiss your ass and bow down to your whims, especially women. That's the story as far as I can tell.

Puerile game is puerile. But I do wonder why you project your own biases onto things so strongly. I saw nothing even vaguely specific about "especially women", and the protagonist appears to kill more men than women in the trailer.

So this game is like a longer version of "No Russian", with added controversy?

Obvious controversy aside, it looks mediocre at best. Indeed, the controversy itself looks to be the only thing that makes it stand out at all.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

You're a generic, scruffy, angry white man and you want to kill people who didn't kiss your ass and bow down to your whims, especially women. That's the story as far as I can tell.

Puerile game is puerile. But I do wonder why you project your own biases onto things so strongly. I saw nothing even vaguely specific about "especially women", and the protagonist appears to kill more men than women in the trailer.

Seriously, ignore it. Like the game, its all for attention and stirring people up.

Anyways the trailer doesnt say much about the game. All I got from it was "kill, survive, kill survive, find better killing tools, survive". Not my kind of game anyway.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The game holds no real appeal to me. I mean, going nuts and killing everyone in a level during, say, a Hitman game was a fun distraction every now and again, but I never thought that building a whole game around that concept would be all that fun (it would likely overstay its welcome within a few levels).

I agree here... with a couple exceptions. Games like Naughty Bear or similar, where your character "snaps" and goes on a rampage, but each level is also a puzzle (ie, in order to progress in the game, Fluffy must kill all the evil kittens with a stick of gum, a window and a shoe string)

Looks like another gem like Ride to Hell: Retribution.

The game's premise really just seems like a lazy way to gain publicity over its "controversial edginess" rather than putting the effort into actually weaving an actual narrative/innovative game mechanics.

Mechanically, it looks like a fun game. But the setting/theme is not for me, so I won't be getting it. Replace the cops and unarmed civilians with zombies on the other hand...


I fully support the right of the developers to publish it though. I just won't be buying it myself.

 Grimskul wrote:
Looks like another gem like Ride to Hell: Retribution.

I wouldn't call that race yet. Ride to Hell was a special kind of stupid because it wasn't just bad. It was broken and conceptually horrid in every single aspect.

As "try-hard edgy" and intentional attention grabbing as this so obviously is (and as you correctly pointed out), it could still be a mechanically sound game and actually quite fun, subject matter notwithstanding.

I like the artistic style of the game but I don't think there's much substance. They should have made the enemies monsters or daemons or something. All that destruction seems wasted on shooting innocent people.

 curran12 wrote:
Wow. It's like a 14 year old's "hardcore" dream made into a game.

Still juvenile. Still boring. Still uninteresting in it's "LOOK AT HOW DARK AND HARDCORE I AM PLEASE GIVE ME ATTENTION!"

Pass.

Agreed. I saw it back a couple of months ago and it just seemed like your friend's younger brother, walking around listening to Metallica and saying how "tough and edgy" he is. There's no substance to this beyond the shock factor and even that seems flaccid.

For the record, I think Metallica kicks ass

Comparing it to games like Battlefield, Call of Duty and even GTA are an absolute nonsense, as these games have context and merit. The airport level in modern warfare 2 received an arguably suitable amount of flak, but was at least trying to drive a story and you didn't have to shoot innocent people if you didn't want. Battlefield and CoD is generally soldiers killing each other. Context.

GTA is a much bigger game than just going on rampages, but when you inevitably do, killing innocent people is just a way to stir up trouble and get the police after you and then see how long you can last and if you can escape. Again, context.

I also for the record, think Metallica are amazing!