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Im not a big convention goer but is that a standard layout for a booth?

Customers are forced to stand on the walkways and deal with passing traffic to actually look at the products available while the staff have a huge empty box in the middle to dance in.

Seems like a really bad layout to me
   
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Merijeek wrote:
Joyboozer wrote:
No, but I can suggest a cardio booth at conventions is a necessity, eat well and exercise people.


My most recent Gen Con (2 or 3 years ago) one of the booths was, essentially, a private plane service. And we're talking Lear, not Cessna.

That one didn't quite fit in at Gen Con.


You've not seen the prices to try and get a booth at gencon!

Check out our new, fully plastic tabletop wargame - Maelstrom's Edge, made by Dakka!
 
   
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 MangoMadness wrote:
Im not a big convention goer but is that a standard layout for a booth?

Customers are forced to stand on the walkways and deal with passing traffic to actually look at the products available while the staff have a huge empty box in the middle to dance in.

Seems like a really bad layout to me


unless the staff wants to bust a move


but yes a waste of space.

 legoburner wrote:


You've not seen the prices to try and get a booth at gencon!


isn't that like a $10K booth space or $8k?



on the other hand:

just realized even if PB has all the designs done and paid for it will still cost them about $900,000 to finish up wave 2 maybe more, so yeah PB went overboard on the unique minis, and instead of adding so many minis to the bonuses should have increased the number of the original game mechs included, cause for those who say PB did not go thru their money got news for you that amount is for just wave 2 for tooling the molds, stamping out the product, packaging and shipping and so on and so on., PB does not have that kind of money, can PB still get out of this and while not smelling like roses remove a large chunk of the stink from them? yes its possible, and there is a way, but it will still cost PB, not as much, but it will cost them. and I'll tell you right now, its either the way I am thinking, or they get a miracle and manage to get an unsecured loan from their buddy lefty, or they will lose everything.


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Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project. 
   
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What about doing Wave 2 in Resin?

Would the economics make sense for that?

 
   
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 MangoMadness wrote:
Im not a big convention goer but is that a standard layout for a booth?

Customers are forced to stand on the walkways and deal with passing traffic to actually look at the products available while the staff have a huge empty box in the middle to dance in.

Seems like a really bad layout to me


Generally speaking you want to invite people in.

Here is ours from this year:
Spoiler:

Outside (Still getting setup):


Inside:


Our booth is only a 10x10, PD's is a 20x20 I believe and likely cost around $8.5k.

-Emily Whitehouse| On The Lamb Games
 
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
What about doing Wave 2 in Resin?

Would the economics make sense for that?


no the costs would be prohibitive, which is why most companies go plastic since while the initial cost is costlier (depends on what kind of mold you go for, and cost is not much more), the per piece count after all the items to be made will be about half or even more cheaper then the cost of resin, which is why those companies that deal with resin usually only have them for the unique units, ones that do not need to be massively reproduced.

Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project. 
   
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Having too much fun at Gencon, woooooooooo!

I talked to a volunteer for a bit, was briefly in Kevin's presence, but didn't get to talk to him yesterday. Today was a tournament and concert, I'll see about tomorrow/Saturday, but I'm only willing to waste so much time on this gak on my first Gencon.

Holy crap am I having fun!
   
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If possible Forar could you tape it? Do you know what you will ask specifically?
   
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 Forar wrote:
Having too much fun at Gencon, woooooooooo!

was briefly in Kevin's presence, but didn't get to talk to him yesterday.


Truly it must have been like being before the sun, as he radiates warmth and all that is good.
   
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Asterios wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
What about doing Wave 2 in Resin?

Would the economics make sense for that?


no the costs would be prohibitive, which is why most companies go plastic since while the initial cost is costlier (depends on what kind of mold you go for, and cost is not much more), the per piece count after all the items to be made will be about half or even more cheaper then the cost of resin, which is why those companies that deal with resin usually only have them for the unique units, ones that do not need to be massively reproduced.


And that is why I questioned wave 2 being plastic from the start. Costs of tool steel moulds can be £10Ks for basic moulds. Slide-core tooling to produce hollow barrels is much more. And the more you want to put on a runner (Sprue), the more expensive it gets because you require much larger machines to make it - and larger machines means larger running costs due to heating and cooling the moulds every shot. Larger machines also require heavier hydraulics to move the mould halves and to keep them closed against the injection pressures.

OK, if there are any 'mainstream' units in there, they should be plastic. Things like the objective markers, YF boxes, and such.

But the character models? Stuff that is KS/Con exclusives? So far everyone has said they'll be plastic. I mean, seriously? All that expensive tooling going on 5-10K units? At that point, you've got to be thinking the difference in costs don't amount to much and getting them done in resin SHOULD have enabled them to be worked on at the same time as the wave 1 stuff. They SHOULD have been available for shipping BEFORE wave 1 went out [as indeed the RESIN SDF-1 and RESIN bases SHOULD have been.]

Most companies looking at producing stuff by injection moulding plastic are looking at 100's of K units minimum so they can minimise the cost/unit of the tooling. Now although you will certainly have to make multiple moulds to produce 5-10K units in resin, the undeniable fact here is that if character models and other small-run stuff had been resin from the start, all of that could [and SHOULD] have been worked on at the same time as Wave 1. We should all be sitting on that stuff already, along with Wave 1. [and due to silicone moulds being able to cope with certain undercuts (which tool steel can't) then they'd be the same quality in less pieces.]

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Bobtheinquisitor wrote:what is going on with APAC shipping? If Macross Island were real, they'd be the last place to get any Robotechnology.
 
   
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I reckon if they offered me another wave 1 box instead of receiving wave 2 then I would be happy to walk away and call it closed.
   
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I have mixed feelings on this Gencon:

If PB needs the money, they obviously overspent our money on retail product.
If PB intends on completing Wave 2 I suppose I should wish them the best.
I have no means of knowing this due to their deceitful practices dealing with their problem.

Glad Forar is having fun, PB would mean little in the scheme of things even for what they owe.
Kevin is a small fish in this venue so it would hurt his sensibilities and has less RPG emphasis than he is used to.
The low profile from him is somewhat understandable.
Hope the money for the booth was money well spent.

Finish wave 2 then have the decency to fade into irrelevancy PB.

A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte 
   
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 MangoMadness wrote:

I reckon if they offered me another wave 1 box instead of receiving wave 2 then I would be happy to walk away and call it closed.


not me, they have two choices with me, wave 2 or full refund, either way they have to decide soon or it will be even more costlier for them.

Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project. 
   
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Just for the lulz, I asked a friend of mine at Gen Con to pick up a Breetai for me.

$23.54

I don't even...
   
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Well, thank you for funding a teeny tiny portion of Wave Two.

Don't it'll help though.
   
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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

Is anyone posting here a Mekton Zero backer? If so, what is the unicorn semi-annual update saying for that project? It's backer only and I tried doing a dakka search for a mekton thread but none came up so I figured I'd ask here in the other massively delayed and screwed up mecha KS thread. I have to say though that R. Talsorian are mucking up their much simpler KS even more than Palladium it seems and that is saying ALOT!

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I'm not surprised they're fething things up on Mekton.

Based on all performance of classic printed game pubs I've seen going to ks, they don't manage this very well. This bodes poorly for Nuclear War, too.

The comms and scale just isn't in their wheelhouse.

I wonder if it's an old dogs new tricks problem.

   
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 warboss wrote:
Is anyone posting here a Mekton Zero backer? If so, what is the unicorn semi-annual update saying for that project? It's backer only and I tried doing a dakka search for a mekton thread but none came up so I figured I'd ask here in the other massively delayed and screwed up mecha KS thread. I have to say though that R. Talsorian are mucking up their much simpler KS even more than Palladium it seems and that is saying ALOT!

I am (yes, too -_- ). The update says exactly zilch, except to expect weekly updates from now on:

Spoiler:
First let us say that Mekton IS coming along. After computer crashes and the need to debulk the book a little (it was getting far larger than it should have been) we are in a good spot now. Expect weekly updates of some kind from here on out. They might not be too informative, but you’ll get something.

We apologize for the silence, but sometimes it’s important to put your nose down and focus. Otherwise stuff just doesn’t get done because of distractions.

In the meantime you can check out the Mekton Zero Facebook page for random goodness including Jay’s character-of-the-week. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mekton-Zero/1457566174455739

Thank you for your patience and continued support.


So... yeah. You can see my latest comments about the whole situation (as well as the answers) at the regular comments section.

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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

So it's a palladium style 98% information-free "update" with a promise to do better on a massively delayed project from a veteran developer. Yeah... I'm going to file that under not likely. Thanks for sharing the (lack of) official info though.

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 Cypher-xv wrote:
If possible Forar could you tape it? Do you know what you will ask specifically?


Actually had plans to do exactly this; to express my discontent politely but firmly, and note that their current form of communication was not acceptable. Managed to talk to a volunteer on Thursday during a mad dash around the Exhibitor hall (Dwarven Forge! Q-Workshop! Chessex! Flying Frog Productions! FFG! Yaaaaay! GENCON WOOOOOO!), but he didn't know anything beyond the talking points, Kevin was occupied with a few people (just chatted it seemed), and I had better things to do with my limited time.

The plan had been to try to have an extended discussion today, but last night our driver got word of a death in his family and needed to return ASAP. Given that it was a roughly 9 hour trek, we had to start early and couldn't do more than pass by (I had to pick up some stuff from a competition I won a prize at, and had left things behind for).

So I failed in my mission, but honestly, swept up in the glory that was Gencon, I don't regret it. My frustration with their bullgak wasn't going to overwhelm how awesome everything else was. They had a sizable booth and a pile of material, if it sold, great, get us some Wave Two info for feth's sake. If not... point stands, fess up.

I do wish I'd gotten a chance to bask in the radiant glow of the booth for longer, but I had a pile of cash to drop on the FFP team and it was totally worth it!
   
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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

So, since this was your first time, was it your best four days in gamingTM? I definitely enjoyed every trip I made back in the day. My goal was to play a couple of favorites and to try a new game (whether booth demo or scheduled slot) every day and I used to have fun trying.

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I wonder how GW's legal team would feel about this space marine type of helmet from the NG books.

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 warboss wrote:
So, since this was your first time, was it your best four days in gamingTM? I definitely enjoyed every trip I made back in the day. My goal was to play a couple of favorites and to try a new game (whether booth demo or scheduled slot) every day and I used to have fun trying.


I'll need a little time to digest what happened (and sadly, it was only 3 days for us, which skewed our plans a bit), but yeah, it was a hell of a good time. Lots of awesome costumes, great people (attendees and staff/booths/etc alike), some great games, overall totally worth making the trek.

Getting fethed by the hotel fethmuppetry (yes I'm still bitter, a bit moreso now actually, now that I've seen it first hand) really made things more difficult than they needed to be. We *should* have been downtown, which would've allowed us to return to drop things off locally (instead of the car) at will, duck back to relax or nap or just kill a little time to ourselves more easily, instead of a half hour trek each way. Would've allowed us to fit in more games and not need to be up at like 6:30-7:30 or so in order to get ready and get to the venue for early events, nor dragging every single person along because 1 or 2 had a 9am start, or leave at 11pm because 1 or 2 had to stick around.

Meant I had to leave the Concert Against Humanity at the intermission rather than party out to the end.

The WiFi in Indianapolis *suuuucked*. I knew that'd be the case with tens of thousands of extra people loading the system, but damn it was bad all the same.

The conversion from Canadian to US dollars hurt.

2 beds, an air-mattress and a sofa bed only went so far given that the couch was pretty bad.

But that said it was still an incredible adventure. True Dungeon was such a fun experience, the events/seminars were all solid, and I played Netrunner with some really great folks (before I had to jet for said concert). Got to snag a few awesome dice, chatted with the FFP and Dwarven Forge teams at length, and just reveled in the awesome costumes and friendly people. I also ended up in a documentary (no idea if they'll use the footage of course).

Not sure we'll make it next year, but hopefully for the 50 we'll get to go with more of the crew, get a hotel room or two downtown, and preferably fly in, but that'll add a considerable amount on what will already be a very expensive experience.
   
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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

Thanks for the rundown. Did you get a chance to stop by some Robotech games? If so, how did they go? Was there any robotech pick up gaming going on?

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 warboss wrote:
Is anyone posting here a Mekton Zero backer? If so, what is the unicorn semi-annual update saying for that project? It's backer only and I tried doing a dakka search for a mekton thread but none came up so I figured I'd ask here in the other massively delayed and screwed up mecha KS thread. I have to say though that R. Talsorian are mucking up their much simpler KS even more than Palladium it seems and that is saying ALOT!


I've not heard a word. All they post are a few pics of character sheets periodically and that should have been part of the base rules that could have been consolidated even before the KS started.

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 warboss wrote:
Thanks for the rundown. Did you get a chance to stop by some Robotech games? If so, how did they go? Was there any robotech pick up gaming going on?


I wandered by the booth a couple of times; on Thursday they had people milling around, and I saw others pick up some boxes, look them over, and put them down, but never saw a lineup at the cashier station. Guess they were just that fast! >.> Ended up talking to a volunteer, but as noted previously, couldn't get ahold of Kevin or anyone of note.

Friday was a writeoff due to the Netrunner tournament and the Concert.

Saturday I swung by again, but while people were around and I saw a couple of demo games being played out, I didn't find time to nab someone to chat, though due to having events from noon to 6 (when the exhibit hall shut down), it was only in passing in the late morning and mid afternoon.

I didn't bother prioritizing getting in a demo game, as I had other things to do and see, but I do recall seeing several games/demos in progress, and as an amateur (and at a distance), the asteroid terrain they bought at the Open House and the models they had painted up for play looked fine enough, but I was never closer than a few feet away, not more than a cursory glance.

Wish I could've put at least a little time into pressing for answers as I'd hoped to, but an emergency meant we had to be on the road again ASAP.

And honestly, I do see it as a 'the best revenge is living well' situation.

Oh well, they didn't have one dude annoyed with them asking questions.

But they also didn't have my team (all 3 of us that backed were at the convention) dropping stacks of cash on exclusives. Instead I went and picked up so much Shadows of Brimstone stuff I needed a filled cardboard box to carry it around, and I know for a fact that's a game I love and enjoy with friends. Talking to the Frogs passionately about something fun infinitely outweighs griping to people who seem to only hear the Peanuts' 'adult voice' whenever critique is leveled their way.

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Please start a new thread to discuss Mekton.

Thanks

 
   
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 Forar wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Thanks for the rundown. Did you get a chance to stop by some Robotech games? If so, how did they go? Was there any robotech pick up gaming going on?


I wandered by the booth a couple of times; on Thursday they had people milling around, and I saw others pick up some boxes, look them over, and put them down, but never saw a lineup at the cashier station. Guess they were just that fast! >.> Ended up talking to a volunteer, but as noted previously, couldn't get ahold of Kevin or anyone of note.

Friday was a writeoff due to the Netrunner tournament and the Concert.

Saturday I swung by again, but while people were around and I saw a couple of demo games being played out, I didn't find time to nab someone to chat, though due to having events from noon to 6 (when the exhibit hall shut down), it was only in passing in the late morning and mid afternoon.

I didn't bother prioritizing getting in a demo game, as I had other things to do and see, but I do recall seeing several games/demos in progress, and as an amateur (and at a distance), the asteroid terrain they bought at the Open House and the models they had painted up for play looked fine enough, but I was never closer than a few feet away, not more than a cursory glance.

Wish I could've put at least a little time into pressing for answers as I'd hoped to, but an emergency meant we had to be on the road again ASAP.

And honestly, I do see it as a 'the best revenge is living well' situation.

Oh well, they didn't have one dude annoyed with them asking questions.

But they also didn't have my team (all 3 of us that backed were at the convention) dropping stacks of cash on exclusives. Instead I went and picked up so much Shadows of Brimstone stuff I needed a filled cardboard box to carry it around, and I know for a fact that's a game I love and enjoy with friends. Talking to the Frogs passionately about something fun infinitely outweighs griping to people who seem to only hear the Peanuts' 'adult voice' whenever critique is leveled their way.



sooooooo in other words you got lazy. I did hear a rumour that Kevin and someone did get into it which is why Kevin was hardly there.

Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project. 
   
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Was it a rumor from the same site that talked about the blockade of the booth? And, no, it's not lazy to just want to enjoy your vacation. Few people (although they do exist) get enjoyment from simply antagonizing others even when completely warranted. Did I hope that someone would confront him in an interview? Yes... did I think it likely that a gamer would risk getting kicked out by a vindictive Palladium staffer after interviewing them and not accepting spin as an answer? No. Your talk of the great gamer uprising against palladium (whether at gencon, on the store shelves, or in your local court) is just talk. If people don't like Palladium and what they do/make, the best/only thing to do is not buy. Admitting that you're effectively powerless (unless you want to spend more money than you've already sunk into this) is the first step towards healing.

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If I was at Gencon i wouldnt have wasted a second bothering with palladium.

Why keep sticking your head in the muck when you can enjoy the fantastic gaming experience?
   
 
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