Kings of War 2.0 Questions

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**TheAuldGrump**

Grimmor wrote:
TheAuldGrump wrote:
Grimmor wrote:
lees_shadow wrote:
Please remember this is for Mantic tournaments only!!!

With no "winning" item combinations or incorrectly pointed "must have" models it seems the need to bitch is being expressed in demanding a "ruling"

My skeleton archers will not be legal either as I have made coffin-lid pavises for them to be behind like you have done with the stakes. But they look good, fill out the base, and I don't expect to ever get questioned about them.

At the end of the day it is all about enjoying a well written and tight rule set with people who also made the effort to meet you halfway with their painting and figures.

Mantic gets beat up for copying GW, then gets beat up because the guys coming over from WHFB don't have a 1:1 direct army list conversion for some of the more esoteric GW figures (Where is my cauldron of blood? Gyrocopter? Corpse cart?)

We are still waiting for the complaint that the Mantica world is not "dark enough" since the world is not on the brink of disaster (and not enough skulls)

Respectfully,
That Lee guy

While i wasnt expecting a 1:1 army conversion, i would like a Corpse Cart thing Though thats mostly cuz i think it looks sweet and pretty much EVERY VC player has a few. Im just glad my Terroghiests are gonna get some use, i was worried for a bit, then isaw Zombie Dragons and Winged Wyrms and i felt better.
Come up with rules for the Corpse Cart and send them in to Iron Watch! (Keep it simple - a Monster or Hero that gives Regeneration (X) to units within 6 inches, but only in turns that it does not move, or something like that. Balancing the points will be the hard part.)

The Auld Grump

They...they take homebrew suggestions?? I LOVE MANTIC!!!! Also a Regen cart sounds incredibly useful, or it could just cast Heal i guess..... I need to think on this.

Iron Watch is a fanzine - and they do indeed take submissions. (Unlike GW, mantic supports their fan efforts.) Currently up to issue 36.

Let me dig up the link - IronWatch. Submissions should be suggested at ironwatchmagazine@gmail.com

I have some that I have been sitting on until I have a chance to test them ~~on an unsuspecting populace~~ with willing playtesters.

The Auld Grump - once upon a time, GW games were likewise supported by fan efforts....

**larva_uk**

TheAuldGrump wrote:

The Auld Grump - once upon a time, GW games were likewise supported by fan efforts....

Once upon a time I bought my Ral Partha minis and TSR & Chaosium RPG books from GW stores...

**lord_blackfang**

I think Iron Watch magazine is an entirely fan-made project. The editors did say they are going big into publishing homebrews soon.

**Grimmor**

I reiterate. I. Love. Mantic. And Ironwatch sound like cool people, so ya, gonna have to do that.

**mattjgilbert**

Yes Ironwatch isn't produced by Mantic at all, it's entirely fan-based. Mantic are fully aware of it and support it's publication though. If you are signed up for the Mantic newsletter or FB feed, you'll see they advertise new issues as they come out.

**Denilsta**

Grimmor wrote:
lees_shadow wrote:
Please remember this is for Mantic tournaments only!!!

With no "winning" item combinations or incorrectly pointed "must have" models it seems the need to bitch is being expressed in demanding a "ruling"

My skeleton archers will not be legal either as I have made coffin-lid pavises for them to be behind like you have done with the stakes. But they look good, fill out the base, and I don't expect to ever get questioned about them.

At the end of the day it is all about enjoying a well written and tight rule set with people who also made the effort to meet you halfway with their painting and figures.

Mantic gets beat up for copying GW, then gets beat up because the guys coming over from WHFB don't have a 1:1 direct army list conversion for some of the more esoteric GW figures (Where is my cauldron of blood? Gyrocopter? Corpse cart?)

We are still waiting for the complaint that the Mantica world is not "dark enough" since the world is not on the brink of disaster (and not enough skulls)

Respectfully,
That Lee guy

While i wasnt expecting a 1:1 army conversion, i would like a Corpse Cart thing Though thats mostly cuz i think it looks sweet and pretty much EVERY VC player has a few. Im just glad my Terroghiests are gonna get some use, i was worried for a bit, then isaw Zombie Dragons and Winged Wyrms and i felt better.

I was planning to stick a corpse cart as a unit filler in a horde of zombies, very charcterfull and would look great.

**TheWaspinator**

How about this situation: I just recently bought a really big Reaper Bones spider and am planning on using it as a Twilight Kin Abyssal Riders horde. I haven't made the base yet, but it honestly looks like the thing is going to fill most of it. How likely are people going to complain about this?

**Baragash**

As long as it can't be easily confused with another entry in the list it will be fine.

**TheWaspinator**

I've got some other spider-related stuff in this army plan but they're like a tenth the size so I don't think that's a problem. If I get another spider that big, I would be using it as the same kind of horde.

**Rihgu**

TheWaspinator wrote:
How about this situation: I just recently bought a really big Reaper Bones spider and am planning on using it as a Twilight Kin Abyssal Riders horde. I haven't made the base yet, but it honestly looks like the thing is going to fill most of it. How likely are people going to complain about this?

A single model representing a Horde does seem weird to me. I would be likely to confuse it with a monster for the first half of the game, until constant reminding finally drove home that yes, that big spider... is a horde of cavalry...

**SilverMK2**

I might add lots of smaller spiders to the base perhaps?

**Daedleh**

You'll be fine

Proxy models or “counts-as” models must be appropriate alternatives to the models they are representing (no Treemen representing orclings!). They should follow the same guidelines for minimum model counts as above or should occupy the equivalent volume (or as close as possible) as the models they are representing. For example, 2 heavy chariots taking up roughly the same space as the regiment of 10 knights they are representing is acceptable. AT ALL TIMES, it must be clear to your opponent what the unit actually represents. Inform them clearly before the game begins what is what in your army if you have any such units and remind them during the game too. You should avoid any confusing imagery (models with wings that don’t actually have the Fly special rule for example).

**Grimmor**

TheWaspinator wrote:
How about this situation: I just recently bought a really big Reaper Bones spider and am planning on using it as a Twilight Kin Abyssal Riders horde. I haven't made the base yet, but it honestly looks like the thing is going to fill most of it. How likely are people going to complain about this?

Stick some Twilight Kin on its back, makes confusing it for a Monster less likely. Persoanlly i think it would be sweet

**Azazelx**

Rihgu wrote:
TheWaspinator wrote:
How about this situation: I just recently bought a really big Reaper Bones spider and am planning on using it as a Twilight Kin Abyssal Riders horde. I haven't made the base yet, but it honestly looks like the thing is going to fill most of it. How likely are people going to complain about this?

A single model representing a Horde does seem weird to me. I would be likely to confuse it with a monster for the first half of the game, until constant reminding finally drove home that yes, that big spider... is a horde of cavalry...

A better way to put it is that "this Spideris using the statline for a Horde of Cavalry". But it is actually a giant spider. Phear her.

Until the Not-TK list came out, I had a Reaper Bone Giant that I'd planned to use with the statline of a unit of Obsidian Golems. Because the rules fit the model.

**lees_shadow**

TheAuldGrump wrote:
Grimmor wrote:
lees_shadow wrote:
Please remember this is for Mantic tournaments only!!!

With no "winning" item combinations or incorrectly pointed "must have" models it seems the need to bitch is being expressed in demanding a "ruling"

My skeleton archers will not be legal either as I have made coffin-lid pavises for them to be behind like you have done with the stakes. But they look good, fill out the base, and I don't expect to ever get questioned about them.

At the end of the day it is all about enjoying a well written and tight rule set with people who also made the effort to meet you halfway with their painting and figures.

Mantic gets beat up for copying GW, then gets beat up because the guys coming over from WHFB don't have a 1:1 direct army list conversion for some of the more esoteric GW figures (Where is my cauldron of blood? Gyrocopter? Corpse cart?)

We are still waiting for the complaint that the Mantica world is not "dark enough" since the world is not on the brink of disaster (and not enough skulls)

Respectfully,
That Lee guy

While i wasnt expecting a 1:1 army conversion, i would like a Corpse Cart thing Though thats mostly cuz i think it looks sweet and pretty much EVERY VC player has a few. Im just glad my Terroghiests are gonna get some use, i was worried for a bit, then isaw Zombie Dragons and Winged Wyrms and i felt better.
Come up with rules for the Corpse Cart and send them in to Iron Watch! (Keep it simple - a Monster or Hero that gives Regeneration (X) to units within 6 inches, but only in turns that it does not move, or something like that. Balancing the points will be the hard part.)

The Auld Grump

I have seen several Zombie multibases where the Corpse cart is the model centerpiece and the zombies are on either side/on it, impaled with it, riding along, being crushed under it, etc.

It is great filler to stretch a zombie horde box of 40 figs into a Legion (normally 60 models)

It looks very good and trust me, it will stay on the table long enough to be appreciated (just protect its flanks!)

Respectfully,
That Lee Guy