A Need for Rules for the Emperor of Mankind

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**Selym**

I feel the Big E should also be able to Deny The Witch on a 2+, too.

**Frankenberry**

Just give him 10's across the board, it'd be the only way to represent him without making him seem like a really good Primarch.

You really can't balance the guy, just like you couldn't come up with a decent balance for Corrupted Horus or the Ork Boss that almost beat Big E like a bitch - they're meant to be godlike in power (because for all intents and purposes they are).

As for psychic power, I think he's probably even more powerful as a permanent resident of the Golden Throne than when he was walking around. If anything (and I'm just tossing this out there) I'd just make him have a giant DtW bubble that he can choose to spend single dice to deny an entire roll.

I don't think there's ever a point where he actually manifests a psychic power, outside of demonstrating the pure psychic beacon of purity he is. So I figure fearless for the entire army, DtW on 2+ and he only has to spend one dice to negate any enemy powers, and the various other GMC SR's that make them unstoppable.

Go big or go home I say.

**Selym**

Ws 10 / Bs 10 / S D / T 10 / W 10 / I 10 / A 20D6 / LD 10 / Sv 2+, 2++

A statline to be feared.

**Brennonjw**

hmm, comparing to the other primarchs, I think this would be pretty close, however being that FW has said they are working on custodes, I suspect we will get Big E rules soon.

Big Emperor of Mankind

Pts: 700 (?)

WS: 9
BS: 8
S: 7
T: 6
W: 6
I: 6
A: 5
LD: 10
Sv: 2+3++

Armor of the Aquila: reroll 1's on invlun, (nothing may wound better than 3+)
Big 'ole burning sword: S: +2 AP: 1 Blind, Instant death, shred, Master crafted
Claws of the Big E: S: user AP: 2 Sundering Blow, shred, rend, Master crafted
Psyker Mastery level: 5

Choose any 2 psychic disciplines, Big E knows all powers in those 2. re-roll All failed harness dice once per turn, re-roll 1 harness dice otherwise.
has all Primarch special rules. sire of the legion replaced with:
Sire of mankind: ALL Imperial forces are fearless while the emperor is alive, and gain hatred, preferred enemy, and crusader when/if he is killed.

Going based on the primarchs, WS is on par with angron, BS is better than most. S is normal, T is high, just below Mortarion. Wounds and Attacks are average, Initiative is good being most primarchs have unwieldy. 2+3++ would be the best armor on any primarch model, the re-rolls of 1 being slightly better than Guilliman's re-roll the 1st failed invuln. Burning sword is at initiative, and S: 9, so wounds all primarchs on at least a 2, claws, I was going for slightly better talons of Horus. ML 5 makes sense, since super psyker, though I want to see Magnus' ML before setting that in stone.

**Ratius**

Special Rules: Vegetable- The Emperor of Mankind cannot move or attack.

haha very good

**hanshotfirst**

Alright...
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
9 7 6 7 6 6 6 10 2+ 4++
Armour perfectus-this confers a 2+ armor save and a 4+ invul. you may chose to take the invul using 2d6.
Claws of the emporer
Strength-+2 ap3 type melee concussive blind strikedown and soulblaze.
Burning blade
Stregth-D AP1 Type-melee weapon ignores invulnerable saves. if he uses this weapon he gets -4 attacks.
Special rules-eternal warrior, IWND, FNP4+, fearless, fear, furios charge, zealot, 24 inch bubble of fearless around him , and now...
PYSCIKNESS
He is a mastery level 8 pysker. he may chose from any of the diciplines. he also nows all the folowing abilities
he may chose to do nothing in any of the phases of the turn (exept mandatory actions) to let his controlling player deny the witch on a 2+
for IDK points (probs 800)

**rowboatjellyfanxiii**

Emperor of Man
Lord of War - 550 Points
Warlord Trait: Pick one from Legiones Astartes or Codex Space Marines.
WS;9
BS;7
S;7
T;6
W;6
A;7
I;7
Ld;11
Sv;2+/3++

Special Rules:
Independent Character
And They Shall Know No Fear
Hatred (Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus/Black Legion)
Fearless
Furious Charge
Primarch (Check your Legiones books)
Radiant Aura: All units taken from any Imperium faction in your army can choose to pass or fail any morale tests.
Master Tactician: If one of your opponents units would match/beat the Emperor's Initiative characteristic, you may remove the bonus and give a -1 to their Weapon Skill or Ballistic Skill. If there are multiple units, you must nominate one.
Gift of the Warp: The Emperor automatically knows all Psyker powers from Biomancy, Telepathy, Telekinesis, Pyromancy, Daemonology and may roll a D2 to swap Daemonology for Malefic Daemonology on a 2***. He still generates and uses Warp Charge as normal.
Psyker Mastery Level 8

Wargear:
The Burning Blade
Range; -
S;10
AP;2
Type; Force, Rend, Armourbane, Incandescent (See Codex: Spess Mahreens)

The Armour Aquila
The Armour Aquila confers a 2+/3++ save and the Furious Charge special rule.

**koooaei**

He's physically a regular human if you take away his psy stuff. Maybe something like this:

LOW
WS:6 BS:6 S:3 T:3 W:5 I:3 A:5 LD:10 SV: 2+/3++
ML:6

Burning blade: s+2 ap2, Force, Soul Blaze, Blind
All the primarch special rules + All models in his detachment get Fearless and Crusader usr.
Manifests psy powers on 2+, needs three 6-s to peril. Can't be denied to generate WC and manifest psy powers.
Does not roll for psy powers and instead knows all powers from Biomancy and Telepathy.
In addition knows:
Purge - 5 WC. Malediction. Targets a non-vehicle model within 6". It recieves d3+1 S: D hits.

**Selym**

I would argue that he's not a regular human, given that it is his DNA that made the Primarchs. I would certainly expect him to be at least as strong as Gunnery Sergeant Harker (Str 4) and at least as tough as Yarrick (T 4, with 4+ WBB).

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P.S.

Make him OP as all hell, 'cause he was.

**koooaei**

It's hard to tell. But i assume he used to have his Warp speed and Iron arm up when needed

**topaxygouroun i**

ThePrimordial wrote:
Look up Kabuki models-Celestial Knight and have eyegasms.
It's an unbelievably beautiful model.

Here goes nothing:
The Emperor of Mankind 1000 points

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WS:9 BS:6 S:7 T:7 W:7 I:9 A:6 LD:10 SV:2+/3++
Special Rules: Psyker (Mastery Level 5), Psychic God, God of War, Primarch, Master of Mankind,
Wargear: The Burning Blade, Talons of the Imperium, Supreme Regalia, Assault Grenades, Teleportation Matrix, Cognis Signum
-Psychic God: The Emperor is the single greatest mortal psyker to ever exist, with only those daemons of Tzeentch that rule supreme over hordes of Lords of Change able to match him, and only Tzeentch himself able to surpass him. The Emperor does not roll for psychic powers and instead knows all powers from the Telekinesis, Biomancy, and Sanctic Daemonology disciplines. He automatically harnesses warp charges, instead of on a 4+, and may cast up to 5 powers from any combination of disciplines per turn. The Emperor treats all powers as costing 1 warp charge. The Emperor may cast the same power any number of times (the effects of the same blessing don't stack), and may not be under the effects of more than two blessings at a time.
-Master of Mankind: The Emperor grants all friendly units that can draw LOS to him the Fearless, and Crusader USRs. He also grants all friendly units within 12" of him a 6+ FNP, and the ability to reroll all failed charges. He grants Legion Tactical Squads the ability to rapid fire their bolters from up to 18" away instead of the normal 12". The Emperor is automatically the Warlord, and possesses 2 Warlord traits chosen (not rolled on) from the Horus Heresy series.
-The Burning Blade: S:+3, AP:1, Melee
-Talons of the Imperium: S:As User, AP:1, Melee, Disabling Strike (As per the Talons of Horus' rule)
-God of War: The Emperor may distribute his attacks between his blade, and talons as he chooses.
-Supreme Regalia: The single greatest piece of armor ever constructed by the Imperium. Grants the Emperor a 2+ armor save, and a 3+ Invulnerable save. Also grants an un-modifiable 2+ Deny the Witch, and halves the strength of melee attacks (rounding up) inflicted by Daemon on the Emperor.

Funny how that guy of yours is not an Eternal Warrior. Instant death incoming!

**CrashGordon94**

topaxygouroun i wrote:
Funny how that guy of yours is not an Eternal Warrior. Instant death incoming!

How do you think Horus killed him?

**Selym**

CrashGordon94 wrote:
topaxygouroun i wrote:
Funny how that guy of yours is not an Eternal Warrior. Instant death incoming!

How do you think Horus killed him?

Forcing saves.

**Mr ghoti**

Had an idea about this recently.

The God-Emperor of Mankind (I'd use the new huge Celestant Prime model)

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Adeptus Custodes Legionaries (size could be based off of Sigmarines)

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Elites
50 points, Unit size 1-10
Infantry (character), Very Bulky
WS5 BS5 S5 T5 W2 A3 I5 Ld9 Sv2+/4++
Wargear: Custodes Relic Halberd, Artificer Armor, Power Field, frag & krak grenades.
One model may upgrade to be a Companion for free, replacing their artificer armor and Relic Halberd with 2 Relic Gauntlets.
Special Rules: Deep Strike, Stubborn, ATSKNF (Legionary only), Independant Character, Protector Imperialis, Adamantium Will, Fleet, Furious Charge, Fear (Companion only), Fearless (Companion only), Blitz (Companion only), Rage (Companion only), Rampage (Companion only).

Protector Imperialis: Automatically passes any Look out Sir! Rolls for wounds allocated towards it from another character. Also automatically passes any roll for Glorious Intervention.

Blitz: Once per game, a model with this special rule may choose to blitz forwards in the assault phase. The model rolls 3D6 and moves over models and terrain in any direction up to the number rolled in inches. This may be used to leave a unit it is in, or to join a unit he ends in unit coherency with. If this move ends the model in base contact with an enemy, they are considered to be locked in close combat. The model then counts as charging for the purposes of furious charge and other effects, gaining additional attacks for charging as normal. Overwatch may not be used against a Blitz move.

Relic Halberd: These mighty weapons were gifted to each custodian personally by the emperor himself. It incorporates a built-in storm bolter.
Shooting - 24" S5 AP4 Assault 2 Master Crafted
Assault - Melee S+2/User AP1/2 Specialist Weapon, Master Crafted. first profile to be used when this model charges, the second in subsequent rounds.

Relic Gauntlets: Companions of the Emperor have forsaken their armor and weapons until the return of their God, but are by no means weaker than the Armor-Clad Legionaries.
Assault - Melee S+1 AP2 Shred, Specialist Weapon, The Emperor Protects
The Emperor Protects: A model equipped with a Relic Gauntlet may re-roll their Invulnerable Saves.

Captain-General of the Adeptus Custodes

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The Emperor's Golden Host formation

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