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I'd keep 30k to 30k, but that's a discussion for another thread.

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I've been playing 30k vs. 40k for some time. I wound actully say that the 40k armies are more powerful then the 30k lists. Even Volkite only helps so much agiest stuff like Tyranids and orks. The reason why is the 40k armies have formations and the 30k armies don't. The amount of extra free stuff the 40k armies get threw their formations is HUGE.

Generally most 40k units are more under costed compared to the 30k units, and the 40k lists will have a distinct advantage in games under 2500 points. 30K lists also have much more for their points tied up in their troop choices then 40k lists who can more easily take min-sized troop choices to max out other slots in their armies.

As long as both armies are built for the same missions (Other 30k build for core 40k FoC and missions or 40k lists built for age of darkness missions and FoC) then it's fairly balenced as long as the 40k armies don't take any formations or special FoC rules.

In my experience the only thing in 30k that throws people off is some of the mechanicum stuff. T7 MC troops is something the 40k meta has never had to deal with, and/or most 40k players don't know how to deal with. Most people know how to deal with Space Mariens and the Solar Auxillia's Carapace GEQ's.

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 kronk wrote:
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 Bronzefists42 wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
Mechanicum in 40k would be sick, while marines and auxilia are pretty good ish in 40k, mechanicum are a whole other story, I could see people getting annoyed if they use orks, tau etc against them, even eldar would have issues. I'm not calling them op, but they'd be up there with crons and eldar I think in terms of what can be abused and spammed :/

The FAQ has confirmed it is totally legal to run HH armies against regular 40k armies, but most builds will have a massive disadvantage.


Are you talking about this FAQ?

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Betrayal_FAQ_Errata_V2.pdf

This is just the equivalent of FW saying: "Feel free to play how you like! You might need house rules to make it work!"
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Q: Are the armies and units in the Horus Heresy books by Forge World meant to be used in games against regular Codex armies, such as say Grey Knights or Orks?
A:While Forge World’s on-going range of Horus Heresy books and their game content are all designed to use and be compatible with the Warhammer 40,000 rules, they have been fine-tuned and focused on playing battles in the milieu of the Horus Heresy rather than in conjunction with the Codexes representing warfare in the 41stMillennium, and this will remain the case.

Designer’s Note: This means that while you are, of course, free to have fun and play games against your friends using any forces you like, and Horus Heresy forces will be broadly ‘a fair fight’ with Codex forces of the same scale, certain rules anomalies and inconsistencies may be thrown up that you have to deal with, although these should not seriously affect the game in most cases. (For example, certain units, such as those with the Stubborn special rule are at a premium costing in Horus Heresy armies over their regular Codex counterparts, owing to the results of play testing within their own sphere.)

In terms of using Lords of War and the Primarchs, however, these are definitely not intended to be used in standard Warhammer 40,000 games, but only in games where both sides use the Age of Darkness Force Organisation chart, andthe specific provisions within, and in games of 2,000 points or greater.

Designer’s Note:
So if, for example, you wanted to play a battle representing a narrative where the Sons of Horus Legion fought Orks or Eldar during the Great Crusade, you could quite easily use those xenos Forces’ Warhammer 40,000 Codexes (possibly house-ruled to accommodate larger squads) to proxy for their Heresy-era counterparts. In this case, however, both sides should be using the Age of Darkness Force Organisation chart, with the army’s own Apocalypse level units and flyers available as Lords of War entries following the guidelines found on page 184 of Betrayal.


And even that particular response is out of date, as I believe Book 3 or 4 also referred to playing 30K vs. 40K. Besides, it's all still the same non-committal wishy-washy response Forgeworld has always given. Even the Imperial Armour books were the same: "consider this stuff 40K legal....but still make sure your opponent is ok with it first." FW simply will never make that kind of commitment, because they don't want to take the blame for what TFGs will do if given free reign to cherry pick the best from GW and FW.

Besides, even Volkite isn't as bad as some people make it sound like. As a horde player, I would be more afraid of a support squad with flamers in a drop pod. It's not like most 30K armies are carrying more Volkite than most 40K armies are carrying plasma, melta, grav, or scatter lasers...

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Word Bearers and a militia/cult type can take Daemons as allies. As daemons are not a 30k faction nor have any 30k equivalent whatsoever (besides two special characters who get an additional bonus rule when played in 30k games), the ONLY way to do this is using 40k rules for the daemons. IMHO that should be enough for them to be considered one and the same game, even if 30k is mostly purposefully balanced for 30k vs 30k battles. (not like what they purposefully balanced things for makes much of a difference anyways. 40k is purposefully balanced for 40k vs 40k and that doesn't stop it from being a friggin' mess)

Of course, people are welcome to say "No, I don't want to play against you if you field a 30k army", but that's the equivalent of someone saying "No, I don't want to play against you because your army, while technically legal, is filled with wave serpent cheese." so I don't see why that should affect things.

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More like 'No, I don't want to play against you because you army, while technically legal, is filled with Tactical Marine cheese.'

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 Ashiraya wrote:
More like 'No, I don't want to play against you because you army, while technically legal, is filled with Tactical Marine cheese.'


Now there's something I never thought I'd see!

   
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 Alpharius wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
More like 'No, I don't want to play against you because you army, while technically legal, is filled with Tactical Marine cheese.'


Now there's something I never thought I'd see!


I take it you haven't played against Imperial Fists?

But really though, it was more to point out that Wave Serpent category units are not really a thing in 30k, whereas it is filled with MEQ.

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Dark Angels upgrades up:






I really like the heads and torsos. I swear to god, I'm in trouble if I end up liking the Dark Angels, that would literally be all 18 legions as possibilities for me...

I was hoping we'd see the Blood Angels ones too. Hopefully next week.


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They look very good.

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I like the helmets ... could be used for IF Templar Brethren as well ... with some conversion my helmet for Sigismund might be in there too.

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 Fireball wrote:
I like the helmets ... could be used for IF Templar Brethren as well ... with some conversion my helmet for Sigismund might be in there too.


I was thinking this too - except for my 40K Black Templars

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 scottmmmm wrote:
 Fireball wrote:
I like the helmets ... could be used for IF Templar Brethren as well ... with some conversion my helmet for Sigismund might be in there too.


I was thinking this too - except for my 40K Black Templars
FW has completely brainwashed me ... there only is the Horus Heresy for me right now

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 Fireball wrote:
 scottmmmm wrote:
 Fireball wrote:
I like the helmets ... could be used for IF Templar Brethren as well ... with some conversion my helmet for Sigismund might be in there too.


I was thinking this too - except for my 40K Black Templars
FW has completely brainwashed me ... there only is the Horus Heresy for me right now


Totally understandable. My problem is I can't decide which legion I'd like to build!

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So you've got to buy heads, toros and shoulder pads, and still don't have even a single Marine yet.

C'mon FW. You're padding these kits as much as Black Library is padding the HH novels.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So you've got to buy heads, toros and shoulder pads, and still don't have even a single Marine yet.

C'mon FW. You're padding these kits as much as Black Library is padding the HH novels.




You say that as if it's a new thing with these upgrade kits, but they've all been like this since the first ones in 2012 or whatever. They're entirely optional, you don't need to use them, they're purely to add flavour to your squads of you want to.
   
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 scottmmmm wrote:
 Fireball wrote:
 scottmmmm wrote:
 Fireball wrote:
I like the helmets ... could be used for IF Templar Brethren as well ... with some conversion my helmet for Sigismund might be in there too.


I was thinking this too - except for my 40K Black Templars
FW has completely brainwashed me ... there only is the Horus Heresy for me right now


Totally understandable. My problem is I can't decide which legion I'd like to build!


I am "only" a painter (not a player), so I just buy everything I like most ...

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I suppose this qualifies as news: for the first time ever, I got a tracking number for my order. So, I guess that's one thing the new website actually got right?

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I suppose this qualifies as news: for the first time ever, I got a tracking number for my order. So, I guess that's one thing the new website actually got right?

So did I, 2 hours after my order was delivered!

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Those DA are sweet! I am looking forward to what they do with Thousand Sons, if ths trend continues. FW has found a way for me to like all the legions, even those whom I dislike in 40K.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So you've got to buy heads, toros and shoulder pads, and still don't have even a single Marine yet.

C'mon FW. You're padding these kits as much as Black Library is padding the HH novels.




Eventually the HH plastic kits come out. Then you're only paying effectively 2x the price instead of 3x!
   
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My Mechanicum LRB got 'dispatched' today! Huzzah!
Was too poor to afford express delivery so no saturday surprise for me.

To anyone who does; please let me know if the land raider achillies is in it?

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 SirDonlad wrote:
My Mechanicum LRB got 'dispatched' today! Huzzah!
Was too poor to afford express delivery so no saturday surprise for me.

To anyone who does; please let me know if the land raider achillies is in it?


Nope. You have a super customizable land raider proteus that can get flar shields and ceramite. Lots of sponson and hull mount options. So you can bassicly build a Achilles minus the quad cannon on the front.

The thing is that it's a heavy support choice and not a dedicated transport. Their are a lot more appealing heavy support choices I feel.

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 Lockark wrote:
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 SirDonlad wrote:
My Mechanicum LRB got 'dispatched' today! Huzzah!
Was too poor to afford express delivery so no saturday surprise for me.

To anyone who does; please let me know if the land raider achillies is in it?


Nope. You have a super customizable land raider proteus that can get flar shields and ceramite. Lots of sponson and hull mount options. So you can bassicly build a Achilles minus the quad cannon on the front.

The thing is that it's a heavy support choice and not a dedicated transport. Their are a lot more appealing heavy support choices I feel.

I am aware of the awesomeness of the mechanicum landraider, i have three in different loadouts that may not get used as regularly any more
I got excited a while back because the speel on the LR achillies purchasing entry says...
"It was originally created by the Imperial Fists Legion in response to a dire xenos threat now lost to the mists of history, and fittingly rare outside the noble Chapter, their successors and the Ordo Reductor of the adeptus mechanicus"

But that info is a real bummer.

Now i have my hopes pinned on the enticing entry "the war covenant of the ordo reductor"; desperately hoping for access to other imperium tech that way 'cause i can't see my avenger strike fighter in the list either...
And it also looks like Taghmata can't take storm eagles anymore.

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Lovely looking stuff, though I'm more interested to see the Blood Angels upgrade kits.

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The torsos are kinda "meh" and the heads are generic enough to be used by any legion/chapter based on the "knights" schema.

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 ImAGeek wrote:
Dark Angels upgrades up:

I really like the heads and torsos. I swear to god, I'm in trouble if I end up liking the Dark Angels, that would literally be all 18 legions as possibilities for me...

I was hoping we'd see the Blood Angels ones too. Hopefully next week.



I like those breasplates and the pauldron sculpts, but why did they have to use armets instead of great helms?

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 SirDonlad wrote:
Now i have my hopes pinned on the enticing entry "the war covenant of the ordo reductor"; desperately hoping for access to other imperium tech that way 'cause i can't see my avenger strike fighter in the list either...


It's the fourth entry in Fast Attack if I see it correctly (on the FW page).
   
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 Wyzilla wrote:

I like those breasplates and the pauldron sculpts, but why did they have to use armets instead of great helms?


Great helms are more of an Imperial Fists or Black Templars thing, in my mind. But if you want more great helm-ish heads, just get these upgrades instead:

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