Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

That is an excellent summation of the issue Vermonter.

It's not that "shipping is expensive", because it is indeed expensive, but more that the expense eats into the savings on the offering. You then have to factor in the timeframe of the project of next year versus the uncertainty of sculpt execution which Mantic has a checkered past on. If you pile in as a factor the accuracy of Mantic's packing where checkered doesn't begin to describe the situation, then the prospects are slightly grimmer still versus a regular retail transaction.

The new paradigm is certainly understandable, but when the deal to the consumer is not as appealing then a smaller amount of money will be earned since that's pretty basic economics. Mantic will have to figure out where the threshold is between souring the deals of the big spenders (who you really want on a KS campaign) and hemorrhaging money on shipping internationally and I'm not convinced it's presently been calibrated right.

Of course, improving their logistics and customer service systems would also be a sound investment for this arena; shipping gets even more expensive when you have to do it multiple times because your packers aren't paying attention.

Decided not to pledge at all, even for the PDF rulebooks. Between the dodgy sculpts, rule ambiguities, pledge shenanigans, and the disturbing revelations of what goes on behind the scenes, I'm staying far away from this circus.

overtyrant wrote:
I can see them doing much smaller KS in the future to fund say a Marauder HIPS sprue with perhaps a vehicle, then another one to fund a Zz'or sprue. Deliberately keeping it small means the P&P will be much much less and it won't spire out of control so that should keep things more manageable.

I like this idea a lot. Particularly the bit about the Zz'or sprue.

As you were.

Interestingly, there is a "Late Pledging(coming soon)" button on the KS page. Is that a new thing with Kickstarter now?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Interestingly, there is a "Late Pledging(coming soon)" button on the KS page. Is that a new thing with Kickstarter now?

Newish.

So, is there a pledge manager for the kickstarter yet?

 Guildsman wrote:
Decided not to pledge at all, even for the PDF rulebooks. Between the dodgy sculpts, rule ambiguities, pledge shenanigans, and the disturbing revelations of what goes on behind the scenes, I'm staying far away from this circus.

Hmm. I really want in on some Tunnel Runners (potentially a lot of them), and was thinking about jumping on the late pledger when it turns on. But the more I'm hearing about Mantic's KS campaigns, I'm wondering if I should just wait the year or so before we see these monowheel sculpts and just acquire from LGS or other sources. 3 for $30 seems cool at first glance (1/3 off), but $20 shipping or whatever has serious suck potential.

- Salvage

 cuda1179 wrote:
So, is there a pledge manager for the kickstarter yet?

Not yet.

At this point they could do the ridiculous thing and open it now - before Christmas. On the other hand, they're launching another KS in Jan or Feb, aren't they? So the PM will be out just before, during or after they run the next project. My money is on during, because they have a habit of doing these things concurrently.

Yeah, opening the PM for the last project during a KS for a new project while fixing the mostakes of a Third KS all at the same time speaks of the kind of business sense that results in a limited edition Pumpkin latte released in May. Sure, the timing probably saved you a significant amount on production and logistics, but you might want to wait before handing out bonuses.

 Azazelx wrote:
On the other hand, they're launching another KS in Jan or Feb, aren't they?.

What's their next KS? I do like their retail KoW starters, so still have hope!

Are you Morgoth the Faceless ? Because you made a very impressive act of thread necromancy there, the message you answered too was from more than one year ago.

ced1106 wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
On the other hand, they're launching another KS in Jan or Feb, aren't they?.

What's their next KS? I do like their retail KoW starters, so still have hope!

I have been told there is no KS in Jan or Feb, just the Star Saga Pledge Manager.

The initial post about a new KS was from november *2015*, so it referenced a KS already passed, but thanks anyway for the precision Baragash.

Anyone else recieved wave one packages yet? Who else likes the quality they are seeing. I got a gcps battlegroup

The Intercepters are AWESOME!! And the GCPS sprue quality looks pretty nice too!!

Two regulars, one arbiter (front), and one bomber (back).

 lord marcus wrote:
Anyone else recieved wave one packages yet? Who else likes the quality they are seeing. I got a gcps battlegroup

Got mine today. GCPS battlegroup, Enforcer battlegroup + Interceptors, Asterian battlegroup. Waiting for my Mules/Hornets/Chibas in wave 2 before I really get to putting stuff together and painting (that and a painting backlog from here to forever). I really like the GCPS models, which is why I'm kinda bummed I don't have the vehicles yet.

I'm painting my battlegroup up. I have 1/35 German armored cars I'm going to be using as mules until my mules arrive

Damn I have a lot of painting ahead of me!! Lol. I recon this is around a 4K Enforcer army!! Behold mortals and despair!!

Also, I would like one more airship if someone ended up with an extra unbuilt. Lol

The baggie is two more bikes, and I have about 45 pathfinders still on sprue. And a bunch of characters and obsolete enforcers still unaccounted for.

That looks really cool!

Now get painting

Yeah...as soon as there is a nice day to prime!! Lol

Also, seriously, somebody offer me a drop ship that I can turn into a bomber. Please.

Wow. And I thought I had a lot of Enforcers.

 JoshInJapan wrote:
Wow. And I thought I had a lot of Enforcers.

There is a distinct possibility that I have the largest possible Enforcer army that exists outside of somebody working at Mantic. Haha

I really wish this wasn't a case but....

"Hold my beer..."

Oh, it's on.

Like Donkey Kong. Lol. This weekend I'll build up a full list utilizing ALL my enforcers points appropriate. See why has the bigger army, Compel!

I still need another drop ship, gents! And I have enough Striders to make 3 of each of the 4 types. And I found an extra peacekeeper sprue, bits box with like 6 more bodies, and two more full enforcer sprues. And 45 pathfinders slowly being built!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Can't sleep. Did a count now. Without unit champ upgrades, characters, medics or engineers, I have 8,825pts of Enforcers. (I just haven't counted them yet; I have multiples of each though)

Yeah....

And I haven't fully finished counting, cuz I'm pretty sure I have a 7th unit of regular enforcers available (currently 6 regular units built).

Pretty sure I scared Compel off!

It's kinda more I haven't actually assembled it yet. And it's so far down The List that the thread will probably be closed by the time I get round to it... For the moment though, this is the stuff I've got before the recent kickstarters.





Pretty sure I've got another 10-15 Peacekeepers, plus maybe 15 pathfinders and another 30-ish of the new plastic Enforcers.

I've got... more Striders than I want to admit, but they're split between 3 factions and I haven't even began to work out how I'll divvy them up. The main thing I don't have is jetbikes, only got the two of them.

Yeah, I have 12 striders, and there's no reason they can't pull double duty for GCPS and Enforcers. Except the Ajax build.
I have something like 130 enforcers, 20 peacekeepers, 12 striders, 45 pathfinders, 4 drop ships, and 12 jetbikes. I may be..."good", at this point.

And then 4 medics, 4 engineers, 3 peacekeeper captains and 4 Enforcer captains.