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http://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=53&art_id=5043

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 George Spiggott wrote:
They've certainly poured a lot of their plastic resources into this It still leaves me cold but it will be interesting to see if any of these game mechanics migrate over to FoW's other periods.

Some people have suggest that with TY we are getting a preview of the FOW4 rules.

Shotgun wrote:
I could see maybe doing it in 6mm and then picking up both Red and Blue.

I've seen some people say they are trying to cram too many minis into a 15mm game played on a 4x6 foot table (from what I've read, a "typical" army is several times the size of the starter box) so using 6mm instead might be a good idea.

Ibis wrote:
I've got my eye on this one but I'll wait until the UK and German forces are released before making a decision I think.

Yes, my first choice would be British, too. I might pick up the American army in the mean time, but I'm not totally sure yet.
   
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 mdauben wrote:
I've seen some people say they are trying to cram too many minis into a 15mm game played on a 4x6 foot table (from what I've read, a "typical" army is several times the size of the starter box) so using 6mm instead might be a good idea.


It's pretty much the same number of figures that you'd find in a regular WW2 Flames of War game. Possibly slightly less, actually. I don't remember the ITV points cost off the top of my head, but Team Yankee as described in the book comes in pretty close to 100 points (Two HQ Abrams, two Abrams platoons, one Mech Infantry platoon, and two ITVs). US Mechanized Infantry is surprisingly inexpensive (a platoon costs fewer points than a single Abrams), so the model count might change somewhat if you build an infantry formation instead of an armored formation. But that's standard for WW2 FoW as well.

Breakthrough Assault has the pictures up for the tank and infantry unit cards, so you can cross reference those there.

   
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The army's will be Ruffly the same size as WW2 games. The soviets will have more than the allies but that's no different. The thing is the models them selves are bigger. Tanks helicopters all that are much bigger than WW2 vehicles just because they are bigger but 100 points still fits very nicely on a 6x4 table
   
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Had a quick skim of the rules earlier at FLGS, few things stood out.

the index isn't at the very back... Grr.... minor point but irritating.

Looks like no more holographic tanks, no moving through enemy teams if I read this right, makes screening tactics work, guessing this is down to the lack of light tank hordes to exploit it.

Looks like it should be a laugh anyway
   
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leopard wrote:
Had a quick skim of the rules earlier at FLGS, few things stood out.

the index isn't at the very back... Grr.... minor point but irritating.

Looks like no more holographic tanks, no moving through enemy teams if I read this right, makes screening tactics work, guessing this is down to the lack of light tank hordes to exploit it.

Looks like it should be a laugh anyway


iirc, you just can't stop on top of tanks. You're not allowed to move within 2" of enemy infantry (and infantry can't move within 2" of an enemy team), but that's the same as in Flames of War.
   
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I got ahold of a scanned rulebook,looks pretty decent for the rules. i could see it being FOW 4 edition rules preview.
But i am passing on this one. Unless they start basing infantry as singles.Which wont happen.

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I'm similar uninterested but I hear that Germans and Brits are due to follow the US release.

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Florence, KY

I wouldn't expect to see them for some time. Next on the schedule should be the Pacific Theater.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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Tanks from Heroics & Ros,
Infantry from Magister Militum,
Helicopters from Tumbling Dice,
and artillery off table.
Done.

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 Ghaz wrote:
I wouldn't expect to see them for some time. Next on the schedule should be the Pacific Theater.


The British and West Germans are planned to get their first releases next year. Exactly when next year is unknown. But I've heard hints that suggest it won't be an end of the year release.

And a word of caution regarding Pacific - the delays this year that have pushed back Pacific put me in mind of the delays that caused the Bulge books to be postponed for a couple of years in a row. While there's not yet been any word of a Pacific delay, I wouldn't be completely surprised if BF suddenly were to announce one.
   
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Well if TY takes off Pacific will get pushed back as they struggle to put out enough new toys to stop the only actual way of playing it being other peoples models.

They need to get that bow wave out there so using their stuff is at least possible, or actually accept reality that people will play this with other models and run with it.

TY has a hell of a lot of spin off potential, Falklands, Iran-Iraq, Iraq 1 & Iraq 2, Africa, Afgan (lost count of them), Georgia, Ukraine through to the current wtf in the middle east - even if politically they don't want to touch it with a barge pole get the models made and you'll shift them.

Pacific done right feeds into the rest of the WW2 far east stuff, then into Korea and eventually it all merges..

With WW1 as well, just throw in some generic martians and you have everything from HG Wells through hell in B movies as well - from what amounts to a single model range.

Key is the models, in some ways the rules can come later, they need the models to come out fast enough and with enough of a chance to actually get them to become the default choice.
   
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 Ghaz wrote:
I wouldn't expect to see them for some time. Next on the schedule should be the Pacific Theater.


And my gut tells me this will get nerfed.

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leopard wrote:
Well if TY takes off Pacific will get pushed back as they struggle to put out enough new toys to stop the only actual way of playing it being other peoples models.

They need to get that bow wave out there so using their stuff is at least possible, or actually accept reality that people will play this with other models and run with it.


Battlefront's prior posted schedule had figures for all of the teams in the rulebook out within roughly two months of the rulebook's release. So they should get the initial wave of figures out quite rapidly (assuming no further production issues; the fact that the announced issues both involved figures that were to be included in the starter boxes makes me wonder if there have been any unannounced issues involving figures *not* intended to be included in the starter boxes). Remember that the initial roll-out is quite limited. There's a reasonable depth of support. But at the same time, there's no real variation for each type of unit that's being released. If you want a US tank, you take the M1. If you want Soviet artillery, your only choice is the Carnation. So it shouldn't take Battlefront long to get it all out.
   
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Battlefront has posted a detailed release schedule for all of their Team Yankee products. The last release is slated for the end of February if all goes according to plan. After that we should see the Pacific Theater. They definitely won't have anything new ready for Team Yankee as everything in the book will be out.

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cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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Might pick up the book to see what it's like, wonder if things like the BlackHawk, Apache and Humvee will get kits although I guess back in 85 they might not have been wide spread. My knowledge of Cold War isnt great admittedly.
   
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WArstore has got some goodies for pre order
http://www.thewarstore.com/battlefield-in-a-box-team-yankee-terrain.html
http://www.thewarstore.com/ZvezdaHotWar.html

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 xKillGorex wrote:
Might pick up the book to see what it's like, wonder if things like the BlackHawk, Apache and Humvee will get kits although I guess back in 85 they might not have been wide spread. My knowledge of Cold War isnt great admittedly.

None of those are in the initial release. For the Apache, it's 1986 introduction date precludes its use in Team Yankee's 1985 setting.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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 Ghaz wrote:
 xKillGorex wrote:
Might pick up the book to see what it's like, wonder if things like the BlackHawk, Apache and Humvee will get kits although I guess back in 85 they might not have been wide spread. My knowledge of Cold War isnt great admittedly.

None of those are in the initial release. For the Apache, it's 1986 introduction date precludes its use in Team Yankee's 1985 setting.


Yeah, it's Cobras only in the initial release. Still, we know that the M1 sprue comes with the parts needed to make the M1A1, and BF has stated that this is for "future proofing". So BF hopes to release lists that are chronologically set later. You could see an Apache as part of a hypothetical Desert Storm release.
   
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Or just as a progression of the Team Yankee conflict depending on how they do it. Obviously if they stick strictly to the book they won't since the whole conflict is concluded in a couple months. If they do it as more of a prolonged affair, then the AH-64 would likely have seen service as the Army began accepting them initially in 1984 for training and thus the production model was already completed. In reality the Apache wouldn't enter formal service until '86 because there was no need to step up any sort of timetables with the problems that inevitably causes for support and maintenance. An active war with the Soviet Union would undoubtedly have accelerated those plans though.

I wouldn't expect to see it anytime soon though. That would be a prime "we'll see how the initial release goes before committing more resources" model, especially if they want to continue with plastic helicopters.
   
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You can get 1:100 scale Apaches now.





You may want to take off the 'longbow' sensor, but other than that why wait for Battlefront?

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Having never read the book I've no idea how far the story stretched, figured somebody on here might lol.
Read a little bit online from guys that were over there training in 85 that the Apache was about in tiny numbers for training but hey you never know.
Cheers CptJake I'm sure I've seen a revell Apache about although keep thinking its 1.144 scale.
   
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I had a TON of 15mm moderns, including an Apache (I used the second one I posted). My stuff was more Iraq/Afghanistan than cold war though (I had Strykers, uparmored hummers, M1A2s for the US forces).

Pretty much everything you would want is available with a little looking.

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 CptJake wrote:
I had a TON of 15mm moderns, including an Apache (I used the second one I posted). My stuff was more Iraq/Afghanistan than cold war though (I had Strykers, uparmored hummers, M1A2s for the US forces).

Pretty much everything you would want is available with a little looking.


Yeah il take a look at the book before I grab to many kits, new toy syndrome can be a killer at times. Don't want to get stuff that was shipped over on the wrong side of the 90s. Lol
Picked up some Peter pig usmc minis a while ago but don't think their kit would fit 85.
   
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 xKillGorex wrote:
Having never read the book I've no idea how far the story stretched, figured somebody on here might lol.
Read a little bit online from guys that were over there training in 85 that the Apache was about in tiny numbers for training but hey you never know.
Cheers CptJake I'm sure I've seen a revell Apache about although keep thinking its 1.144 scale.


The book uses Sir General Hackett's 'Third World War' as a background setting.

In any event, anyone and everyone was pretty sure that a World War III conflict between NATO and the Warsaw Pact would be short. One side or the other would quickly become frustrated with the way that the fighting was working out, and launch one or more nukes. It was not going to drag out for years the way that the previous World Wars did.



And as has been noted, pretty much anything and everything that you might want in modern vehicles is already available through various manufacturers. The tricky part is the infantry - mainly because of changes to uniforms over the years. You might be looking for infantry from one specific year, only to realize that the manufacturer you're checking out has a different uniform that was issued two years later.

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Honestly, in 15mm painting the right camo pattern is going to cover most uniform discrepancies. Getting the weapons right is more important (you want M16s, not short M4s with a ton of fancy optics hanging off of them).

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The book uses Sir General Hackett's 'Third World War' as a background setting.

In any event, anyone and everyone was pretty sure that a World War III conflict between NATO and the Warsaw Pact would be short. One side or the other would quickly become frustrated with the way that the fighting was working out, and launch one or more nukes. It was not going to drag out for years the way that the previous World Wars did.

Oh I'm aware how it would of played out if it did kick off. Just know next to nothing about book and which direction the author was taking it, thanks for the info though chap. Also seeing a series of comics that were from the same name kind of made me think it went on for quite some time for some reason.




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 CptJake wrote:
Honestly, in 15mm painting the right camo pattern is going to cover most uniform discrepancies. Getting the weapons right is more important (you want M16s, not short M4s with a ton of fancy optics hanging off of them).


Sorry for the double post. Yeah the minis I have from Peter pig have m16s with no optics it's a shame Elhiem miniatures don't do 15mm as I've a fair bit of his 20mm stuff for 2000 onwards so have a reasonable amount on knowledge on the kit for those years onwards. Hell even use and m4 for airsoft lol

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For those interested, Khurasan has some cold war stuff on pre-order right now:

http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/late-cold-war.html

They (really 'he') is great to work with. His product is really nice.







More pictures available at the link.

Infantry on the way too, and I suspect they are going to be pretty darned nice.


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I got a copy of the rule book but so far i havent read it.

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 CptJake wrote:
For those interested, Khurasan has some cold war stuff on pre-order right now:

Nice surface detail on those AFVs. Certainly a possible alternative to Battlefront for any number of reasons.
   
 
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