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Less Stormcast marinification of everything and more focus on other factions. If Stormcast have everything it makes the other races, especially human, over shadowed, redundant and worthless.
Should have left them at elite shock troops, not literal fantasy space marines with 'guns' and power weapons

That's part of the point though, Stormcast are supposed to be like humans but better. The fluff emphasizes this all over the place, and there is more or less nothing humans can do that Stormcast can't do better. Except procreate. Making a Stormcast is an intensive process that from fluff references seems to take years if not decades, and further that Stormcast was pulled from the mortal races to begin with. Think of it as the light side to Chaos' dark; freeguild would be like an army of marauders, war hounds, and the occasional small monster thrown in. Stormcast would be an army of chaos warriors, knights, chosen, and the like. And for every one of those warriors or knights there are thousands of marauders who didn't make the cut.

Osorios wrote:
What puzzles me is the description of their being "rangers, trackers and cavalrymen without compare." If they are cavalrymen, does that mean they will come as two separate kits, one mounted, one not? If they are cavalrymen, why have a dismounted version?

I imagine that the as yet unseen Gryph-chargers and/or Aertherwing will cover the cavalrymen part.

I'm not contesting that they are the chaos counterpart. But they go beyond sword and board. Chaos has nothing on these guys. They should be less te by with their 'guns' and more focuses on their angelic shock troop, riding in on a lightning flash.
Also, the pelts/ cloak thing does nothing for me but wish they had normal non cluttered chest plates.

Isn't that the sword and board* archetype, though?

Bad guys: Disorganized, hordes, specialized, tanky and loves melee.

Good guys: Disciplined, elites, balanced, jack-of-all-trades but loves shooting.

Agreed with the angelic shock troops but they also have a Roman legion/knight quality to them that would require troops of a skirmish/ranger/musketeer/outrider quality to do what their main force can't.

Edit: *By sword and board you mean medieval correct? Or are you referring to chaos' lack of shooting?

Sword n board is a generic reference to the 'fighter with hand weapon and shield's archetype that shows up across many games.

I'm not sure wether this has been mentioned or not but:

Daemons of tzeentch are getting a start collecting, it will consist of: a chariot, 3 flamers, 3 screamers, ten horrors and an herald. This comes from an image caption my LGS has sent to our Whatsapp group, so I guess it's a solid reliability.

LoC will cost the same as bloodthirster kit. Blue horros will be 25 euros per ten models.

I also found out some old artwork (Ie: forth edition) of warhammer fantasy. Which just doesn't want to appear...





So can we please stop rambling about sigmarines??

Ah...good ol' Blanch trash

Wow! Those are sweet!

Any context to the artwork, or was it filler?

Mac V wrote:
Wow! Those are sweet!

Any context to the artwork, or was it filler?

I guess it was filler, this is an image a veteran from our AoS group has passed this day, he says he'll make the shields following that color scheme.

Christ alive, people always seem to get so rude about Blanche...

 nudibranch wrote:
Christ alive, people always seem to get so rude about Blanche...

He has a french-sounding surname, can you fault them?

Lord Kragan wrote:

 nudibranch wrote:
Christ alive, people always seem to get so rude about Blanche...

He has a french-sounding surname, can you fault them?

Yeah, that's not why...

Blanche's art is, to put it lightly, too abstract at times. Sometimes it's been good/iconic, other times it looks like it belongs to a totally different game system.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 nudibranch wrote:
Christ alive, people always seem to get so rude about Blanche...

He has a french-sounding surname, can you fault them?

Yeah, that's not why...

Blanche's art is, to put it lightly, too abstract at times. Sometimes it's been good/iconic, other times it looks like it belongs to a totally different game system.

I know, I know, I was joking. But there's this argument that his art is too "weird", according to some, and that hadn't he been involved-according to that same bunch- 40k/fantasy would be cooler.

Gallahad wrote:I love the hounds, and dislike basically everything about the Sigmarines. The sideways crossbows (don't worry they are MAGIC!!!) are particularly egregious. None of the disparate design elements with together. Scouts in full plate armor?(Don't worry, it is MAGIC!!! armor) Fur under your pauldrons? (Don't worry, they are MAGIC!!! pauldrons) Having to reload your magic pistol? (The magazine carries the MAGIC!!!). Scouts keep getting lost? How about a MAGIC!!! map they can consult? Every single one of them is in a bandy legged sumo stance. It is like being subjected to Space Marine stances all over again. GAH! To each their own, but I'll keep passing on the Sigmarines.

Glad I am not the only one who thinks this way.

NinthMusketeer wrote:That's part of the point though, Stormcast are supposed to be like humans but better. The fluff emphasizes this all over the place, and there is more or less nothing humans can do that Stormcast can't do better. Except procreate. Making a Stormcast is an intensive process that from fluff references seems to take years if not decades, and further that Stormcast was pulled from the mortal races to begin with. Think of it as the light side to Chaos' dark; freeguild would be like an army of marauders, war hounds, and the occasional small monster thrown in. Stormcast would be an army of chaos warriors, knights, chosen, and the like. And for every one of those warriors or knights there are thousands of marauders who didn't make the cut.

A good way of putting it. Now when you say "thousands of Marauders who didn't make the cut" does this mean that Sigmar tried to make them, but they were "discarded" and killed because they were not strong enough?

I guess more people get rude with talking about an overrated desert wizard.

MongooseMatt wrote:
Got pricing info here for next week's releases...

Lord of Change £70
Blue Horrors £20 (10 Blue, 10 Brimstone)
Changeling £20
Start Collecting Daemons of Tzeentch (yeah, forgot to ask about contents...)

Also Dwarf Giants team, with dice and special play cards coming for Blood Bowl.

One interesting thing... Liberators and Judicators are being pulled, to be replaced by... something else, no idea what yet...

Is there confirmation on this start collecting Daemons of Tzeentch? Any more news about the contents if so?

changemod wrote:

MongooseMatt wrote:
Got pricing info here for next week's releases...

Lord of Change £70
Blue Horrors £20 (10 Blue, 10 Brimstone)
Changeling £20
Start Collecting Daemons of Tzeentch (yeah, forgot to ask about contents...)

Also Dwarf Giants team, with dice and special play cards coming for Blood Bowl.

One interesting thing... Liberators and Judicators are being pulled, to be replaced by... something else, no idea what yet...

Is there confirmation on this start collecting Daemons of Tzeentch? Any more news about the contents if so?

According to an image i got from my LGS-owner the box will contain the following:

10pink horrors.
3screamers
3flamers
1herald
1chariot.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
That's part of the point though, Stormcast are supposed to be like humans but better. The fluff emphasizes this all over the place, and there is more or less nothing humans can do that Stormcast can't do better. Except procreate. Making a Stormcast is an intensive process that from fluff references seems to take years if not decades, and further that Stormcast was pulled from the mortal races to begin with. Think of it as the light side to Chaos' dark; freeguild would be like an army of marauders, war hounds, and the occasional small monster thrown in. Stormcast would be an army of chaos warriors, knights, chosen, and the like. And for every one of those warriors or knights there are thousands of marauders who didn't make the cut.

Pretty much they make the exact point during the age of myth and at the start of the age of chaos sigmar's normal dudes were getting trashed by chaos warriors. Even if they are stronger than a human stormcast are poor at dealing with the situation with tzeentch which is evident in the tzeentch battle tome and the city of secrets novel.

Davor wrote:


A good way of putting it. Now when you say "thousands of Marauders who didn't make the cut" does this mean that Sigmar tried to make them, but they were "discarded" and killed because they were not strong enough?

Sort of, but not necessarily in the way Space Marines let millions of hopefuls die to make new recruits.

When the true and mighty of Sigmar (or whatever) die, he takes their souls before they have a chance to be claimed by Nagash. He then attempts to reforge that soul into a new Stormcast, giving them new life to serve him and fight Chaos. In the fluff, you'll often see those dying to the forces of Chaos, or those falling to protect another, are whisked away to be given a new chance at life by Sigmar. If the reforging fails, well, you were dead already. If it succeeds, you become a superhero. Win/win.

Requizen wrote:

Davor wrote:


A good way of putting it. Now when you say "thousands of Marauders who didn't make the cut" does this mean that Sigmar tried to make them, but they were "discarded" and killed because they were not strong enough?

Sort of, but not necessarily in the way Space Marines let millions of hopefuls die to make new recruits.

When the true and mighty of Sigmar (or whatever) die, he takes their souls before they have a chance to be claimed by Nagash. He then attempts to reforge that soul into a new Stormcast, giving them new life to serve him and fight Chaos. In the fluff, you'll often see those dying to the forces of Chaos, or those falling to protect another, are whisked away to be given a new chance at life by Sigmar. If the reforging fails, well, you were dead already. If it succeeds, you become a superhero. Win/win.

Even then if you are too weak or not strong of spirit the reforging takes a REALLY long time it's different for everyone. That's why from the looks of things sigmar chooses from how strong someone's spirit and character is over how physically strong they are. Hell one decimator prime used to be a baker.

Gallahad wrote:I love the hounds, and dislike basically everything about the Sigmarines. The sideways crossbows (don't worry they are MAGIC!!!) are particularly egregious. None of the disparate design elements with together. Scouts in full plate armor?(Don't worry, it is MAGIC!!! armor) Fur under your pauldrons? (Don't worry, they are MAGIC!!! pauldrons) Having to reload your magic pistol? (The magazine carries the MAGIC!!!). Scouts keep getting lost? How about a MAGIC!!! map they can consult? Every single one of them is in a bandy legged sumo stance. It is like being subjected to Space Marine stances all over again. GAH! To each their own, but I'll keep passing on the Sigmarines.

This is the thing about killing the old world: the grounding (even if it was a toehold in places) in historical themes, with flesh and blood clashing over a set geography was one of the bigger appeals over the years. Now, especially with these new models, it's all but 'anything goes', where an entire faction gets the magic item obsession that plagued WHFB characters, sounding more like "pew pew I shot you!" "Nuh-uh I've got magic armour!" "Well I've got magic bullets!" "Well you ran out!" "Well I've got magic reloads!" Far less structure and internal logic in favour of a superficial kewl factor.

CMLR wrote:for me they look far more akin to Greek-Roman legionaries.

I see what you mean.

NinthMusketeer wrote:Think of it as the light side to Chaos' dark; freeguild would be like an army of marauders, war hounds, and the occasional small monster thrown in. Stormcast would be an army of chaos warriors, knights, chosen, and the like. And for every one of those warriors or knights there are thousands of marauders who didn't make the cut.

Exactly. Or you could think of it like an army of imperial guardsmen, with tanks and guns and an occasional superheavy thrown in. Stormcast would be an army of... those guys. Y'know the ones.

Lord Kragan wrote:So can we please stop rambling about sigmarines??

What does that prove? A couple of those could be Karl Franz in full plate, with ghal--maraz. (Or a portrait of Balthazar Gelt) At best, John had the sigmarine idea years before GW fell back on it.

Cute Hounds.

The addition to the already bloated Sigmarine line is passable.

Anyone else notice that they stripped chaos naked and gave it to the space marines? Kinda annoying sifi fantasy is becoming more and more sifi and kid like.

AoS looks like a mixture of stargate, power rangers and some kind of fan fiction. The good guys always being the best is just not real and boring.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Cute Hounds.

The addition to the already bloated Sigmarine line is passable.

Stormcast are only bloated where it comes to characters. They have 5 kits otherwise (and Libs/Judicators are basically the same), which honestly doesn't feel that "bloated" to me.

Requizen wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Cute Hounds.

The addition to the already bloated Sigmarine line is passable.

Stormcast are only bloated where it comes to characters. They have 5 kits otherwise (and Libs/Judicators are basically the same), which honestly doesn't feel that "bloated" to me.

Compare with other factions.

This is the thing about killing the old world: the grounding (even if it was a toehold in places) in historical themes, with flesh and blood clashing over a set geography was one of the bigger appeals over the years. Now, especially with these new models, it's all but 'anything goes', where an entire faction gets the magic item obsession that plagued WHFB characters, sounding more like "pew pew I shot you!" "Nuh-uh I've got magic armour!" "Well I've got magic bullets!" "Well you ran out!" "Well I've got magic reloads!" Far less structure and internal logic in favour of a superficial kewl factor.

Umm.... You realize we're playing with toy soldiers, so.......

Mac V wrote:

This is the thing about killing the old world: the grounding (even if it was a toehold in places) in historical themes, with flesh and blood clashing over a set geography was one of the bigger appeals over the years. Now, especially with these new models, it's all but 'anything goes', where an entire faction gets the magic item obsession that plagued WHFB characters, sounding more like "pew pew I shot you!" "Nuh-uh I've got magic armour!" "Well I've got magic bullets!" "Well you ran out!" "Well I've got magic reloads!" Far less structure and internal logic in favour of a superficial kewl factor.

Umm.... You realize we're playing with toy soldiers, so.......

Yes but when playing chess your playing with pieces of wood, when playing mtg yugioh or such you are playing with paper. With out proper rules it is al worthless.

Lord Kragan wrote:


According to an image i got from my LGS-owner the box will contain the following:

10pink horrors.
3screamers
3flamers
1herald
1chariot.

The herald is probably the one from the chariot. Comes out to just under $118 combined. Not the best SC box, but still not bad.

Stormcast look cool as a set of three, with the clones clearly visible less so. The bare head seems like a really great sculpt, which is nice after the craptastik MK3 Marine heads.

The gryph hounds are very nice, but the beaks on the already relased ones are a bit bigger, aren't they. On thos they're more snout-like, which is a bit boring.


I might get both SC releases -which would be my first non starter SCs- depending on price and the bits included. Use a few of them as characters with the starter ones, the rest can be Artificer Armour SM/roided Inqs, Tzeentch Chaos Warriors with corrupted bird-hounds...hmh.