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Asterios wrote: Well just saw this and thought it looks like a good read, until it took a very hard turn into the twilight zone:
Spoiler:
Phil Alba
March 9 · Amityville, NY ·
Although I have some reservations about Donald Trump, this article below by Bill Bennett articulates unimpeachable realities and deserves a few of your minutes to read and consider....
BE CAREFUL OUT THERE
Written by the distinguished Bill Bennett about Donald Trump.
I think you will find it very interesting and alarming.
You might want to take the time to read it.
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PHD - Secretary of Education under Ronald Reagan
Cultural studies at the distinguished and renowned Heritage Foundation
Interesting take on Trump.
William J. Bennett, Host of Bill Bennett's Morning in America Show, is one of America's most important, influential, and respected voices on cultural, political, and education issues.He has one of the strongest Christian worldviews of any writer in modern times.
What I See Happening In a Trump Presidency
By Bill Bennett
They will try to kill him before they let him be president.
It could be a Republican or a Democrat that instigates the shutting up of Trump.
Don’t be surprised if Trump has an accident. Some people are getting very nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.
It's about the unholy dynamics between big government, big business, and big media. They all benefit by the billions of dollars from this partnership, and it's in all of their interests to protect one another. It's one for all and all for one.
It’s a heck of a filthy relationship that makes everyone filthy rich, everyone except the American people. We get ripped off. We’re the patsies. But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. The over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both parties, the media, and the biggest corporations of America has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they are all threatened and frightened.
Donald Trump can self-fund. No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business, and political elite understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.
It's no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The Donald. It's because most of the other politicians are part of the a good old boys club. They talk big, but they won’t change a thing. They are all beholden to big-money donors.
They are all owned by lobbyists, unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations, and multinational corporations – like Big Pharmacy or Big Oil. Or they are owned lock, stock, and barrel by foreigners like George Soros owns Obama or foreign governments own Hillary and their Clinton Foundation donations.
These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned by big money. But there's one man who isn't beholden to anyone.
There's one man who doesn't need foreigners, or foreign governments, or George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or the teacher's union, or the Service Employees International Union, or the Bar Association to fund his campaign.
Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn’t need anyone’s help. That means he doesn’t care what the media says. He doesn’t care what the corporate elites think. That makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat to those people. Trump can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled slave masters.
Don’t you ever wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama? Don’t you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama?
Don’t you wonder why Congress holds the purse strings, yet has never tried to defund Obamacare or Obama’s clearly illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal aliens? Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?
First, I'd guess many key Republicans are being bribed. Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being blackmailed. Whether they are having affairs, or secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer money, the National Security Agency knows everything.
Ask former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his own money from his own bank account. The NSA, the SEC, the IRS, and all the other three-letter government agencies are watching every Republican political leader. They surveil everything.
Thirdly, many Republicans are petrified of being called racists, so they are scared to ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone demand his impeachment.
Fourth , why rock the boat? After defeat or retirement, if you’re a good old boy, you’ve got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job waiting. The big-money interests have the system gamed. Win or lose, they win.
But Trump doesn’t play by any of these rules. Trump breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big government, big media, and big business. All the rules are out the window if Trump wins the Presidency. The other politicians will protect Obama and his aides but not Trump.
Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly questioned Obama's birth certificate. He questioned Obama's college records and how a mediocre student got into an Ivy League university. Now, he's doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to do. He's questioning our relationship with Mexico; he's questioning why the border is wide open; he's questioning why no wall has been built across the border; he's questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens into America is in our best interests; he's questioning why so many illegal aliens commit violent crimes, yet are not deported; and he's questioning why our trade deals with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.
Trump has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always get the short end of the stick. Good question!
I'm certain Trump will question what happened to the almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to college friends of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to build the defective Obamacare website. By the way, that tab is now up to $5 billion.
Trump will ask if Obamacare's architects can be charged with fraud for selling it by lying. Trump will investigate Obama's widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention Obama's college records. Trump will prosecute Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up Benghazi before the election. How about the fraud committed by employees of the Labor Department when they made up dramatic job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012 election?
Obama, the multinational corporations and the media need to stop Trump. They recognize this could get out of control. If left unchecked, telling the raw truth and asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could wake a sleeping giant.
Trump's election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will not hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at the cooked books and Obama's records, the game is over.
The jig is up. The goose is cooked. Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison. Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of customer money.
Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails or for accepting bribes from foreign governments while Secretary of State, or for misplacing $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or for lying about Benghazi. The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison.
Obamacare will be de-funded and dismantled. Obama himself could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters. Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after everyone involved. That’s why the dogs of hell have been unleashed on Donald Trump.
Yes, it's become open season on Donald Trump.
The left and the right are determined to attack his policies, harm his businesses and if possible, even keep him out of the coming debates. But they can't silence him. And they sure can't intimidate him.
The more they try, the more the public will realize that he's the one telling the truth.
So...immediately, then?
:p
well he was right about both parties and most big businesses not liking Trump, then things got lost in translation. but the first part is why I like trump fro the Win, the politicians don't want him too, and if they hate him he must be someone to take note of.
Lost in translation, buried beneath crazy rhetoric and wild accusations...potato, potahto, right?
It's not just 'politicians and big businesses' that don't like him, and they don't dislike him just because he's shaking things up in the political arena. He's a bully. He's a loudmouth. He's a bigot, or at the very least he's riding a wave of bigoted sentiment. He's a thin-skinned narcissist. He calls names and talks about the size of his genitals during debates (at least Lyndon Johnson would whip it out and back up what he was saying). And, maybe most importantly, he has no desire to fact-check or take a firm position. Whatever he says at that moment becomes the Official Trump Platform, until he changes his mind, is told he just called for a war crime, or wants to appeal to a different crowd.
He's a weathervane. He's the worst sort of career politician, but without the career and the small saving grace of experience that would bring. Why does ANYONE who claims to be looking for honesty or sending a message to the political establishment want to give him their support? The only message it sends is "We like mudslinging and pandering. More of that, please."
no it means for all his faults, its not as bad as being a politician.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
Except he IS a politican. He's showcasing all the traits that people who say they don't like politicians claim to hate. The one difference is that he has no experience - and apparently limited knowledge - of how government works.
Is that the message that people want to send? That it's not dishonest, self-centered jerks that they think are bad for the country, but people who have held some sort of political office? Because that's not going to encourage any kind of positive change.
Some good news for American dakka members, some bad news for me.
Good news: Trump's out of the country on June 23rd.
Bad news: he's decided to visit Britain on the day of the EU referendum vote to help the OUT campaign
As somebody who's voting out, this is as welcome as a knee to the groin, then getting a nipple twister from a giant clamp
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Spinner wrote: Except he IS a politican. He's showcasing all the traits that people who say they don't like politicians claim to hate. The one difference is that he has no experience - and apparently limited knowledge - of how government works.
Is that the message that people want to send? That it's not dishonest, self-centered jerks that they think are bad for the country, but people who have held some sort of political office? Because that's not going to encourage any kind of positive change.
that is where you are wrong, he is not a politician, if he was his campaign would have been run so much different pandering to every self interest group out there or at least some of them, he is not, pandering to self interest groups and so forth is what a politician does, he does not, therefore he is not a politician he is just an egomaniac.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
No he just panders to the most base instincts, horrible ideas and daily whims of what he thinks the masses want to hear in order to be liked. He is the ultimate Twitter/Reddit candidate. That doesn't make for good policy.
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I WANT to like the Libertarian Party. And then gak like this happens.
Well, Kronk, had you been in that audience, his nudity would have made it pretty easy for you to attach a clamp to his nipple and then twist!
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Gordon Shumway wrote: No he just panders to the most base instincts, horrible ideas and daily whims of what he thinks the masses want to hear in order to be liked. He is the ultimate Twitter/Reddit candidate. That doesn't make for good policy.
maybe not good policy but a winning one, you are right he does pander to the most base instincts he says what people fear to say for fear of being labeled a racist and so forth.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
Gordon Shumway wrote: No he just panders to the most base instincts, horrible ideas and daily whims of what he thinks the masses want to hear in order to be liked. He is the ultimate Twitter/Reddit candidate. That doesn't make for good policy.
maybe not good policy but a winning one, you are right he does pander to the most base instincts he says what people fear to say for fear of being labeled a racist and so forth.
Or he says what only some, actually little bit racist people are thinking but don't want to say. Not everyone. Either way, it's pandering.
I don't think it's a winning strategy in the least. Maybe in the Republican primaries, with a base that has been slowly shifting to crazier and crazier territory - a shift Trump himself has certainly helped along. Not in the national election.
Good news: Trump's out of the country on June 23rd.
Bad news: he's decided to visit Britain on the day of the EU referendum vote to help the OUT campaign
As somebody who's voting out, this is as welcome as a knee to the groin, then getting a nipple twister from a giant clamp
Alright, that's just weird. Now Obama pushing our interests was to be expected (although I think he should have stayed out of it). But Trump isn't even in any sort of office yet. The feth is he doing?
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Good news: Trump's out of the country on June 23rd.
Bad news: he's decided to visit Britain on the day of the EU referendum vote to help the OUT campaign
As somebody who's voting out, this is as welcome as a knee to the groin, then getting a nipple twister from a giant clamp
Alright, that's just weird. Now Obama pushing our interests was to be expected (although I think he should have stayed out of it). But Trump isn't even in any sort of office yet. The feth is he doing?
Going to trade hair care tips with Boris
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Gordon Shumway wrote: No he just panders to the most base instincts, horrible ideas and daily whims of what he thinks the masses want to hear in order to be liked. He is the ultimate Twitter/Reddit candidate. That doesn't make for good policy.
maybe not good policy but a winning one, you are right he does pander to the most base instincts he says what people fear to say for fear of being labeled a racist and so forth.
Or he says what only some, actually little bit racist people are thinking but don't want to say. Not everyone. Either way, it's pandering.
I don't think it's a winning strategy in the least. Maybe in the Republican primaries, with a base that has been slowly shifting to crazier and crazier territory - a shift Trump himself has certainly helped along. Not in the national election.
Please, PLEASE not in the national election....:p
so you are calling me a racist cause I feel those who enter this country illegally should be stopped and kicked out? regardless of the fact I have no problem with those of any race who enter this country legally? but I am a racist? and that is why I am voting for Trump because I am tired of being labeled something I am not.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
Gordon Shumway wrote: No he just panders to the most base instincts, horrible ideas and daily whims of what he thinks the masses want to hear in order to be liked. He is the ultimate Twitter/Reddit candidate. That doesn't make for good policy.
maybe not good policy but a winning one, you are right he does pander to the most base instincts he says what people fear to say for fear of being labeled a racist and so forth.
Or he says what only some, actually little bit racist people are thinking but don't want to say. Not everyone. Either way, it's pandering.
I don't think it's a winning strategy in the least. Maybe in the Republican primaries, with a base that has been slowly shifting to crazier and crazier territory - a shift Trump himself has certainly helped along. Not in the national election.
Please, PLEASE not in the national election....:p
so you are calling me a racist cause I feel those who enter this country illegally should be stopped and kicked out? regardless of the fact I have no problem with those of any race who enter this country legally? but I am a racist? and that is why I am voting for Trump because I am tired of being labeled something I am not.
I never called you a racist.
If you were calling for blocking all Muslims from entering the US, that would make you a bigot. If you were making thinly-veiled remarks about Mexican immigrants all being rapists and thieves, that would make you a racist. If you were calling for the executions of terrorists' families, that would make you a terrifyingly delusional potential war criminal. So far as I can tell, you have said none of those things - although someone has, and I have opinions about him. Please do not put words in my mouth, and please do not tell me that Donald Trump says things that I am afraid to.
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Gordon Shumway wrote: No he just panders to the most base instincts, horrible ideas and daily whims of what he thinks the masses want to hear in order to be liked. He is the ultimate Twitter/Reddit candidate. That doesn't make for good policy.
maybe not good policy but a winning one, you are right he does pander to the most base instincts he says what people fear to say for fear of being labeled a racist and so forth.
Or he says what only some, actually little bit racist people are thinking but don't want to say. Not everyone. Either way, it's pandering.
I don't think it's a winning strategy in the least. Maybe in the Republican primaries, with a base that has been slowly shifting to crazier and crazier territory - a shift Trump himself has certainly helped along. Not in the national election.
Please, PLEASE not in the national election....:p
so you are calling me a racist cause I feel those who enter this country illegally should be stopped and kicked out? regardless of the fact I have no problem with those of any race who enter this country legally? but I am a racist? and that is why I am voting for Trump because I am tired of being labeled something I am not.
Except that's not only what Drumpf has said regarding foreigners. he's called most Mexicans rapists, and he's called for a blanket ban on Muslims. That's outright racism. So while you may support him because he says he'll stop illegals, you have to also know he's walked way further down that road to Racistland.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Gordon Shumway wrote: No he just panders to the most base instincts, horrible ideas and daily whims of what he thinks the masses want to hear in order to be liked. He is the ultimate Twitter/Reddit candidate. That doesn't make for good policy.
maybe not good policy but a winning one, you are right he does pander to the most base instincts he says what people fear to say for fear of being labeled a racist and so forth.
Or he says what only some, actually little bit racist people are thinking but don't want to say. Not everyone. Either way, it's pandering.
I don't think it's a winning strategy in the least. Maybe in the Republican primaries, with a base that has been slowly shifting to crazier and crazier territory - a shift Trump himself has certainly helped along. Not in the national election.
Please, PLEASE not in the national election....:p
so you are calling me a racist cause I feel those who enter this country illegally should be stopped and kicked out? regardless of the fact I have no problem with those of any race who enter this country legally? but I am a racist? and that is why I am voting for Trump because I am tired of being labeled something I am not.
I never called you a racist.
If you were calling for blocking all Muslims from entering the US, that would make you a bigot. If you were making thinly-veiled remarks about Mexican immigrants all being rapists and thieves, that would make you a racist. If you were calling for the executions of terrorists' families, that would make you a terrifyingly delusional potential war criminal. So far as I can tell, you have said none of those things - although someone has, and I have opinions about him. Please do not put words in my mouth, and please do not tell me that Donald Trump says things that I am afraid to.
I may not agree with all he says, but I agree at the heart of it, I do feel we should build a wall or add more security to our borders, I do believe in not allowing Muslim Terrorists into this country, but how do you weed them out from peaceful Muslims? that is the issue, you either let them in or don't, there is no win or lose in this or right or wrong, as to terrorists families not all their family members are terrorists but most are and those that are not usually the terrorists kill themselves, ISIS has no middle ground or not involved ground, you are either with them or dead. am I a racist in these remarks?
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
And the idea he doesn't pander is ludicrous. Did you somehow miss his speech to AIPAC or the NRA? Pure pandering. And yeah, they are special interest groups.
Gordon Shumway wrote: No he just panders to the most base instincts, horrible ideas and daily whims of what he thinks the masses want to hear in order to be liked. He is the ultimate Twitter/Reddit candidate. That doesn't make for good policy.
maybe not good policy but a winning one, you are right he does pander to the most base instincts he says what people fear to say for fear of being labeled a racist and so forth.
Or he says what only some, actually little bit racist people are thinking but don't want to say. Not everyone. Either way, it's pandering.
I don't think it's a winning strategy in the least. Maybe in the Republican primaries, with a base that has been slowly shifting to crazier and crazier territory - a shift Trump himself has certainly helped along. Not in the national election.
Please, PLEASE not in the national election....:p
so you are calling me a racist cause I feel those who enter this country illegally should be stopped and kicked out? regardless of the fact I have no problem with those of any race who enter this country legally? but I am a racist? and that is why I am voting for Trump because I am tired of being labeled something I am not.
I never called you a racist.
If you were calling for blocking all Muslims from entering the US, that would make you a bigot. If you were making thinly-veiled remarks about Mexican immigrants all being rapists and thieves, that would make you a racist. If you were calling for the executions of terrorists' families, that would make you a terrifyingly delusional potential war criminal. So far as I can tell, you have said none of those things - although someone has, and I have opinions about him. Please do not put words in my mouth, and please do not tell me that Donald Trump says things that I am afraid to.
I may not agree with all he says, but I agree at the heart of it, I do feel we should build a wall or add more security to our borders, I do believe in not allowing Muslim Terrorists into this country, but how do you weed them out from peaceful Muslims? that is the issue, you either let them in or don't, there is no win or lose in this or right or wrong, as to terrorists families not all their family members are terrorists but most are and those that are not usually the terrorists kill themselves, ISIS has no middle ground or not involved ground, you are either with them or dead. am I a racist in these remarks?
You're certainly making some ridiculous hard-line assumptions. Nobody 'believes' in allowing terrorists into the country. We already have quite strict immigration screening in place, despite what watching other agencies such as the TSA might lead you to believe. You don't have to choose between 'seal the borders' and 'let in the terrorists'.
It's the middle part that worries me. Do you or do you not believe that the families of terrorists should be targeted by armed forces, on the assumption that if they were not terrorists, they would be dead already?
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Whoa. We're on a touchy subject.
I agree with holding back the refugee's in Europe from the Middle East till a sure fire way can be found to identify who they really are.
As for the Illegal Immigrants coming across the southern border I do believe ICE is ramping up for mass deportation currently.
A upbeat of enlistment with DACA kids is happening.
Same as MAVNI kids.
We've a issue with the northern border of Canada but them pesky Canadians are stripping bare Costco of all items. Since I don't go to Costco it just mean more traffic for me to deal with going down 16 and I5.
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It's the middle part that worries me. Do you or do you not believe that the families of terrorists should be targeted by armed forces, on the assumption that if they were not terrorists, they would be dead already?
if those family members are terrorists? yes. you should get out a little more and see how things are going down with ISIS since if you are a member of ISIS your family is an active member of ISIS or its your duty to kill them, ISIS has some very extreme views and such, there is no middle ground, you are part of them or an enemy, and all enemies must die.
Jihadin wrote: Whoa. We're on a touchy subject.
I agree with holding back the refugee's in Europe from the Middle East till a sure fire way can be found to identify who they really are.
As for the Illegal Immigrants coming across the southern border I do believe ICE is ramping up for mass deportation currently.
A upbeat of enlistment with DACA kids is happening.
Same as MAVNI kids.
We've a issue with the northern border of Canada but them pesky Canadians are stripping bare Costco of all items. Since I don't go to Costco it just mean more traffic for me to deal with going down 16 and I5.
did you know in California if you are here Illegally you can get a Drivers license?
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Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
Kids who parents are here illegally are joining US Military (they're born here (kids) = DACA
Anchor Babies can be applied loosely are young adults who join the US Military for faster Naturalization = MAVNI = they have a language skill the US Army want
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Spinner...Asterio...there's a fine line between being stupid and being dumb. Ease back on the family killing
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That state Law was passed to help ensure safe driving on the roads by illegals. So far that has little impact on safer roads. Road danger has not increase or decrease
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Jihadin wrote: Kids who parents are here illegally are joining US Military (they're born here (kids) = DACA
Anchor Babies can be applied loosely are young adults who join the US Military for faster Naturalization = MAVNI = they have a language skill the US Army want
as far as i'm concerned if you serve in the US military and serve well you should be granted citizenship, but on the other hand it irks me when people enter this country illegally claiming to be escaping cruel and inhuman conditions back home then go waving their countries flag like they are proud of it, if they were so proud why don't they try to make their country better then?
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
I go back to my original remark, Trump is like a Stephanie Meyer protagonist, people just project themselves on to him.
There are no hypocrisies, no outright lies, inconsistencies, racism or bigotry that can be pointed out that will in any way shift away adoration for the man. It can all be easily dismissed by ignoring it. Not even his enviable failure as a POTUS will shift the view, it will just be rationalized to protect Trump, the savior.
....an to preempt it....HRC/Sanders supporters are basically the same.
It's the middle part that worries me. Do you or do you not believe that the families of terrorists should be targeted by armed forces, on the assumption that if they were not terrorists, they would be dead already?
if those family members are terrorists? yes. you should get out a little more and see how things are going down with ISIS since if you are a member of ISIS your family is an active member of ISIS or its your duty to kill them, ISIS has some very extreme views and such, there is no middle ground, you are part of them or an enemy, and all enemies must die.
See, but what Donald Trump said - and what I am asking about - isn't 'target family members who are also ISIS fighters' - it was just 'family members'. The implication was that it would be elderly Mom and Dad at home, or younger siblings; people who couldn't defend themselves or otherwise wouldn't be considered enemy combatants. A 'taste of their own medicine' sort of rhetoric. You don't have to single out the ISIS fighter's brother who is also a member of ISIS as a target. He already is one.
So is that something you would support? I'm asking because I would think that alone would be enough to turn off his supporters in droves, because holy crap that's a horrible, disgusting idea that solves nothing and drags us down to their level.
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Muslim Terrorists into this country, but how do you weed them out from peaceful Muslims? that is the issue, you either let them in or don't,
Without going too deep in to the rest of what you have said, the assumption that you can single out Muslims as a group, and that it is fine to exclude 1.6 billion Muslims for the actions of a few people they share a religion with. The assumption that "Muslim" is a single monolithic block of people with the same beliefs, activities and culture is also a problem. If you believe in excluding Muslims in that way, why not Christians for the actions of the IRA continuity groups, who continue to be a threat to the UK and raise money in the US?
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
BrotherGecko wrote: I go back to my original remark, Trump is like a Stephanie Meyer protagonist, people just project themselves on to him.
There are no hypocrisies, no outright lies, inconsistencies, racism or bigotry that can be pointed out that will in any way shift away adoration for the man. It can all be easily dismissed by ignoring it. Not even his enviable failure as a POTUS will shift the view, it will just be rationalized to protect Trump, the savior.
....an to preempt it....HRC/Sanders supporters are basically the same.
#Optimus2016
oh Trump is not the savior in fact doubt he will get anything done, but he will do what he can to keep Illegals out unlike Hillary and many Republicans who would let them in with handouts.
It's the middle part that worries me. Do you or do you not believe that the families of terrorists should be targeted by armed forces, on the assumption that if they were not terrorists, they would be dead already?
if those family members are terrorists? yes. you should get out a little more and see how things are going down with ISIS since if you are a member of ISIS your family is an active member of ISIS or its your duty to kill them, ISIS has some very extreme views and such, there is no middle ground, you are part of them or an enemy, and all enemies must die.
See, but what Donald Trump said - and what I am asking about - isn't 'target family members who are also ISIS fighters' - it was just 'family members'. The implication was that it would be elderly Mom and Dad at home, or younger siblings; people who couldn't defend themselves or otherwise wouldn't be considered enemy combatants. A 'taste of their own medicine' sort of rhetoric. You don't have to single out the ISIS fighter's brother who is also a member of ISIS as a target. He already is one.
So is that something you would support? I'm asking because I would think that alone would be enough to turn off his supporters in droves, because holy crap that's a horrible, disgusting idea that solves nothing and drags us down to their level.
and you miss my point with ISIS there are no innocents at very(I mean very) young ages they are tought what to believe and how to kill the enemy.
Muslim Terrorists into this country, but how do you weed them out from peaceful Muslims? that is the issue, you either let them in or don't,
Without going too deep in to the rest of what you have said, the assumption that you can single out Muslims as a group, and that it is fine to exclude 1.6 billion Muslims for the actions of a few people they share a religion with. The assumption that "Muslim" is a single monolithic block of people with the same beliefs, activities and culture is also a problem. If you believe in excluding Muslims in that way, why not Christians for the actions of the IRA continuity groups, who continue to be a threat to the UK and raise money in the US?
actually I think the IRA is more Catholic, but I may be wrong, and you miss my point, it does not matter religion or race, if they are terrorists they should be kept out, but tell me this how many Irish Terrorists have destroyed buildings or committed terrorists plots in the US? how many Muslims?
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It's the middle part that worries me. Do you or do you not believe that the families of terrorists should be targeted by armed forces, on the assumption that if they were not terrorists, they would be dead already?
if those family members are terrorists? yes. you should get out a little more and see how things are going down with ISIS since if you are a member of ISIS your family is an active member of ISIS or its your duty to kill them, ISIS has some very extreme views and such, there is no middle ground, you are part of them or an enemy, and all enemies must die.
See, but what Donald Trump said - and what I am asking about - isn't 'target family members who are also ISIS fighters' - it was just 'family members'. The implication was that it would be elderly Mom and Dad at home, or younger siblings; people who couldn't defend themselves or otherwise wouldn't be considered enemy combatants. A 'taste of their own medicine' sort of rhetoric. You don't have to single out the ISIS fighter's brother who is also a member of ISIS as a target. He already is one.
So is that something you would support? I'm asking because I would think that alone would be enough to turn off his supporters in droves, because holy crap that's a horrible, disgusting idea that solves nothing and drags us down to their level.
and you miss my point with ISIS there are no innocents at very(I mean very) young ages they are tought what to believe and how to kill the enemy.
The answer I'm getting here is "Yes, kill the kids, but I don't want to say it out loud."
Which says everything, really. I'm expecting a 'don't put words in my mouth' post right back at me, but if you want to say 'No, I do not believe in shooting the relatives of ISIS members unless they are active members of ISIS committing the atrocities that this horrible group of people is known for, as opposed to young children and elderly relatives of members of said terror group', you have every opportunity to do so.
I'd like to hear it, I really would.
And, what, Catholicism isn't a type of Christianity now? I have a roommate who would be very surprised to hear that.
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Gordon Shumway wrote: No he just panders to the most base instincts, horrible ideas and daily whims of what he thinks the masses want to hear in order to be liked. He is the ultimate Twitter/Reddit candidate. That doesn't make for good policy.
maybe not good policy but a winning one, you are right he does pander to the most base instincts he says what people fear to say for fear of being labeled a racist and so forth.
Or he says what only some, actually little bit racist people are thinking but don't want to say. Not everyone. Either way, it's pandering.
I don't think it's a winning strategy in the least. Maybe in the Republican primaries, with a base that has been slowly shifting to crazier and crazier territory - a shift Trump himself has certainly helped along. Not in the national election.
Please, PLEASE not in the national election....:p
so you are calling me a racist cause I feel those who enter this country illegally should be stopped and kicked out? regardless of the fact I have no problem with those of any race who enter this country legally? but I am a racist? and that is why I am voting for Trump because I am tired of being labeled something I am not.
Trump has declared a moratorium on Muslims-legal or illegal - entering the US. Thats bigotted and screamingly unconstitutional-not just inferred constitution, not just the Bill of Rights, but the original Constitution. If he tried it thats a prima facae impeachable offense ON DAY ONE.
Also something about Mexicans...but he's sure some are good people.
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