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Is there any real point to this give and take that has been going on this past few days? It feels like seeing people whose opinions and intelligence I have a high respect for, even though we often disagree, are being drawn into a conversation that is going nowhere but huge circles.
My thoughts are that this has to be some type of social experiment and wonder how many sites this is happening in.
   
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Hillary Clinton's speech today was good:
http://time.com/4355797/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-foreign-policy-speech-transcript/

If this were "a generic Democrat", the speech would be a very effective contrast to Trump.

The trouble for Clinton is that... every criticism levied against Trump rebounds back to her...

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Relapse wrote:
Is there any real point to this give and take that has been going on this past few days? It feels like seeing people whose opinions and intelligence I have a high respect for, even though we often disagree, are being drawn into a conversation that is going nowhere but huge circles.
My thoughts are that this has to be some type of social experiment and wonder how many sites this is happening in.


No gak, I miss the glory days of just a week or so ago, before this guy started showing up in every thread with his shtick of throwing up a tornado of garbage and sucking all the air out of every thread.


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 whembly wrote:
Hillary Clinton's speech today was good:
http://time.com/4355797/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-foreign-policy-speech-transcript/

If this were "a generic Democrat", the speech would be a very effective contrast to Trump.

The trouble for Clinton is that... every criticism levied against Trump rebounds back to her...


problem is with that speech Benghazi will come back to haunt her.

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Asterios wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Hillary Clinton's speech today was good:
http://time.com/4355797/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-foreign-policy-speech-transcript/

If this were "a generic Democrat", the speech would be a very effective contrast to Trump.

The trouble for Clinton is that... every criticism levied against Trump rebounds back to her...


problem is with that speech Benghazi will come back to haunt her.


And so begins the partnership the OT deserves.


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.

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 Ouze wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Hillary Clinton's speech today was good:
http://time.com/4355797/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-foreign-policy-speech-transcript/

If this were "a generic Democrat", the speech would be a very effective contrast to Trump.

The trouble for Clinton is that... every criticism levied against Trump rebounds back to her...


problem is with that speech Benghazi will come back to haunt her.


And so begins the partnership the OT deserves.


Well...not sure Trump is astute enough to bring it up. I mean, the only retort I've seen from Trump today was a tweet saying she "doesn't look presidential".

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This guy is Biden his time:
Spoiler:


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I think I'd vote for Biden over Trump. What does that make me?

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 Ouze wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Hillary Clinton's speech today was good:
http://time.com/4355797/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-foreign-policy-speech-transcript/

If this were "a generic Democrat", the speech would be a very effective contrast to Trump.

The trouble for Clinton is that... every criticism levied against Trump rebounds back to her...


problem is with that speech Benghazi will come back to haunt her.


And so begins the partnership the OT deserves.



Is this our "Senpai, notice me" moment?
   
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 whembly wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Hillary Clinton's speech today was good:
http://time.com/4355797/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-foreign-policy-speech-transcript/

If this were "a generic Democrat", the speech would be a very effective contrast to Trump.

The trouble for Clinton is that... every criticism levied against Trump rebounds back to her...


problem is with that speech Benghazi will come back to haunt her.


And so begins the partnership the OT deserves.


Well...not sure Trump is astute enough to bring it up. I mean, the only retort I've seen from Trump today was a tweet saying she "doesn't look presidential".

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This guy is Biden his time:
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I think I'd vote for Biden over Trump. What does that make me?


Think I read his son said something about that Michael Bay movie about that Benghazi attack or something.

as far as Democrats go, they should have had one like Hillary but without all the baggage.

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 whembly wrote:

I think I'd vote for Biden over Trump. What does that make me?


A sane human being.

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Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
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thought this might hurt Trump:

http://www.twcnews.com/tx/austin/politics/2016/06/2/ap--greg-abbott-given--35k-gubernatorial-campaign-donation-after-trump-university-probe-in-texas-dropped.html?cid=facebook_TWC_News_Austin

but then remembered he will be running against Clinton.

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 d-usa wrote:
DutchWinsAll wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Did you have a 30 minute training video in "civics for fast food assistant managers" class?

Because at this point you either have to be this wrong on purpose, about everything, or be the poster child for a failed educational system.


There's a word for people that spam ridiculous bs all day online while complaining about all the problems others create.

Flargabarg? That's not right, but its close.


"When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."


Damn, that's some Ouze level satire right there. Have an exalt.
   
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Asterios wrote:
Well just saw this and thought it looks like a good read, until it took a very hard turn into the twilight zone:


It was flying rodent gak from the first line, about Trump getting killed. And then it got stupid in a really sad kind of way.

The article tried made this vague kind of claim that 'socialist' Democrats had close ties with business. Which is stupid in itself - either call them corporate cronies, or call them socialists, being one means they're not the other. But then it goes it to pants on head crazy land when it claims that Trump doesn't have ties to business. Trump... the businessman. Making an argument that people should elect the businessman because he doesn't have ties to business borders on parody.

It makes the claim that Trump is self-funding his campaign. Whether this is a bald faced lie or a woeful level of ignorance I don't know. Trump self-funded his primary campaign... or rather didn't fund it at all, and instead ran a very cheap campaign driven by free media coverage. But his run in the general is all about big money, and he's now attached himself nicely to the conventional Republican machine to use their standard funding sources.

The article has no idea how congressional control of funding works. It seems to think if you control congress you can just stop funding any existing program when you want. Again, not sure if this is a lie or ignorance.

The article actually tries to make Trump's idiotic birther nonsense in to a selling point. Remember all the angry noise Trump made about something that was always stupidly wrong, and proven as such years ago? Let's pretend this is in Trump's favour! Our candidate is an idiot who's wrong about basic facts! That's different to other politicians, and we want something different!

This was also the first time I'd read anyone questioning the trade deal with Russia. The stupid complaints about the deals with China and Mexico are common and existed long before Trump became a prominent political figure, but Russia? Russia doesn't even have a bi-lateral deal with the US - they rely on the default WTO trade conditions, and they've only recently returned to that after the US was previously inflicting massive damage on the Russian economy as punishment over their actions in the Ukraine. Complaining the US has a bad deal with Russia is exactly as stupid as complaining the US has a bad deal with Atlantis.

The whole article is pretty much just pure crazy from start to finish. Which is, admittedly, not particularly surprising for something coming from the Heritage Foundation. What is surprising is that it's a complete reversal from their normal crazy. They typically spend their time making up insane nonsense about why big business needs to be given more money to job create, or alternately insane nonsense about how freedom means capitalism and that means giving big business more money. But here they've flipped entirely around, now big business is bad and the only hope is a billionaire businessman who tells lots of stupid lies.

I just hope that when the 2016 campaign is over that people remember how shamelessly political Heritage really is. I used to think there was a problem with organisations like Heritage sacrificing truth for the sake of ideology, now it's clear they don't even care about ideology - to fit Trump that had to go and so they dropped it. All we're left with is people who will say anything because they simply don't give a gak as long as they get paid.

Welcome to the Republican party circa 2016. A lot of you are voting for it to continue to be this way.

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 sebster wrote:
Welcome to the Republican party circa 2016. A lot of you are voting for it to continue to be this way.


As a moderate who leans liberal, I am totally OK with that.

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Asterios wrote:
maybe not good policy but a winning one, you are right he does pander to the most base instincts he says what people fear to say for fear of being labeled a racist and so forth.


The problem with so much of the debate is that people think the problem with saying those things is that you might get called racist etc. The real problem with saying those things is that they are stupid and factually incorrect.


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 whembly wrote:
Now we know why the Clinton campaign are crappy bricks now, as their own internal polling must have shown this:
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WSJ/NBC/Marist California poll

Hillary 49
Bernie 47


Ya'll ready for a nail biter?


First up, cherry picking polls is the #1 way to get your political hopes dashed. Individual polls go all over the place - there's also recent polls showing Clinton with a margin close to 20%. 538's aggregate polling data says Clinton 55, Sanders 43 in California.

Second up, Sanders needs to win about 66% of the vote in the remaining states to draw level in pledged delegates, and even more than that to win the vote total.

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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

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 sebster wrote:
Asterios wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Now we know why the Clinton campaign are crappy bricks now, as their own internal polling must have shown this:
Reid J. EpsteinVerified account
‏@reidepstein
WSJ/NBC/Marist California poll

Hillary 49
Bernie 47


Ya'll ready for a nail biter?


First up, cherry picking polls is the #1 way to get your political hopes dashed. Individual polls go all over the place - there's also recent polls showing Clinton with a margin close to 20%. 538's aggregate polling data says Clinton 55, Sanders 43 in California.

Second up, Sanders needs to win about 66% of the vote in the remaining states to draw level in pledged delegates, and even more than that to win the vote total.

First up... Sanders has no chance unless a significant portion of the Super Delegates "flips" to him.

Secondly... that's not cherry picking. Marist is one of the few polling outfits has been really strong this year. Even 538 gives them an "A" rating.

Thirdly... look at RCP's aggregated trend:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ca/california_democratic_presidential_primary-5321.html

What's notable is that, in California, HRC is trending downward, whereas Sanders is trending upwards in these last few weeks.

Conversely, look at the nation DNC primary trend:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html
HRC is trending upward at the expense of Sanders.

So while HRC should win... it's telling that she can't close this out.

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Asterios wrote:
I don't think Jeb even wanted to run, or at least that is what it seemed like to me.


Bush certainly wanted to be president. He just didn't want to have to run in that Republican primary, where the audience seemed to crave crazier and nastier lies by the day. Trump in part created that environment, and then reveled in it. Bush never really figured out how bad things had gotten.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

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 sebster wrote:
Asterios wrote:
I don't think Jeb even wanted to run, or at least that is what it seemed like to me.


Bush certainly wanted to be president. He just didn't want to have to run in that Republican primary, where the audience seemed to crave crazier and nastier lies by the day. Trump in part created that environment, and then reveled in it. Bush never really figured out how bad things had gotten.

RNC had their chance...

They could've listed to the more "bourgeoisie" Tea Party movement.

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 sebster wrote:
Asterios wrote:
I don't think Jeb even wanted to run, or at least that is what it seemed like to me.


Bush certainly wanted to be president. He just didn't want to have to run in that Republican primary, where the audience seemed to crave crazier and nastier lies by the day. Trump in part created that environment, and then reveled in it. Bush never really figured out how bad things had gotten.


well, can't blame Trump really he is the result of this generation which has been brought up on reality TV, in reality TV people don't root for the stable person, they root for the insane maniac, which is why so many cause its good sense for networks, Trump is not an idiot he knows this and he uses it, HRC and Sanders are so disconnected from todays reality they have no clue still what is going on, and the way things stand Trump will win the election, he can say that disability should be cut to better regulate and fix it, and people will eat it up, they want the zany, they want the crazy, they want the loony tunes to win the show and that is all it is too them thanks to the networks.

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Asterios wrote:
[HRC and Sanders are so disconnected from todays reality they have no clue still what is going on,



You must not have seen/heard any of Sanders' speeches... Sure, some on these boards think his ideas are "pie in the sky," but the majority of his statements are certainly grounded in reality.

Wage stagnation is a real thing. College tuition has sky rocketed, outstripping the potential earnings/salary once people leave school, etc. etc. etc.
   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Asterios wrote:
[HRC and Sanders are so disconnected from todays reality they have no clue still what is going on,



You must not have seen/heard any of Sanders' speeches... Sure, some on these boards think his ideas are "pie in the sky," but the majority of his statements are certainly grounded in reality.

Wage stagnation is a real thing. College tuition has sky rocketed, outstripping the potential earnings/salary once people leave school, etc. etc. etc.


and none of that is new, that is the same line politicians have been using for years now, so no he is still disconnected from reality, which is also why hes losing the race.

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 whembly wrote:
<--- stubborn mule...

Looks like Paul Ryan endorses Trump now...[/url]


Remember when I called the Ryan and Trump meetings as political theatre? Yeah. The party establishment drops their ideology to suit their immediate political interests. And why wouldn't they? Guys like Ryan have been con artists from the start, selling a make believe intellectual conservatism, but just shilling whatever needed to be sold at any given time.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

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Asterios wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Sting? They have legal documentation. I don't know what sting you are referring to.


then what kind of Visa did they enter the country under?

Asterios... there's an existing Refugee program. Think of it as a different version of political asylum.

You and I argued that the President has statutory authority to preventing immigrants into the US?

Conversely, the President (and certain administration officials) has authority granting aliens immigration privileges.


This.


and it still does not answer the question.


Sure it does. They are legally here under the Fed's refugee settlement program. They were placed with us by them.


you should play the lottery since if you know some of the less then 1100 (1736, still a far cry from the 10K Obama pledged to bring over.) Syrian Refugees allowed into the country, you must have some good luck going for you.


 Kilkrazy wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Sting? They have legal documentation. I don't know what sting you are referring to.


then what kind of Visa did they enter the country under?

Asterios... there's an existing Refugee program. Think of it as a different version of political asylum.

You and I argued that the President has statutory authority to preventing immigrants into the US?

Conversely, the President (and certain administration officials) has authority granting aliens immigration privileges.


and you said they were here legally which would indicate you know what kind of Visa they entered the country under?

reason i'm asking is a Church near me which was housing allegedly legal refugees from "Columbia" I think? just got raided by ICE 2 weeks ago and it turns out they were not here legally.


Your statement is again merely another piece of hearsay anecdotal evidence unsupported by any documentation.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that if you're right it's best to give a link to a reputable news article or something like that.


oh like Frazzled should since i'm sure Syrian refugees to a town would make the paper more then an illegal immigrant family being deported? also this didn't even make a blurb in the 911 section of the local paper.




More like 76,000 quietly placed in towns all across the U.S. without papers and no interrogation as to their need to come here.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/02/obama-plans-to-bring-thousands-more-syrian-refugees-into-the-u-s/

In the town I live in I have seen a lot of Muslims recently, I wonder if we got some of them here.

This next point might not come across the right way as I have been working 14 hour days of late but here goes:

There seems to be a disconnect when people are talking about Muslims from the middle east as though it is a 1st amendment issue and some such thing like that, being upset that a group would be discriminated from entry because of their ideology. Okay fine I understand the liberal view (morally liberal as in, let's all get along, ( not a bad thing certainly)) but remember even if you discriminate ONLY on country of origin you will still be discriminating against their ideology as well. Why? Because in those country 99.79 percent of the population is Muslim by default, it is all they are allowed to be, they have no choice of religion or even to reject religion.

That's a point I think needed making, hope it was understandable. Seems logical and no malice intended only truth.

Also for the user Minx that lives in Europe and hasn't been tuned in to what has happened in Cologne, Brussels, Paris and other places, please look up the video on YouTube about something called "Taharrush", it is quite disturbing. I was watching a video commentary and they showed a clip from the train station security camera. The woman's screams were so blood curdling,, I hope I never hear that again; fortunately the video cut before anything more disturbing was shown.

You have an influx of young single Muslim men who's culture tells them that any woman a) not a Muslim and b) not dressed to Muslim standards are fair game for this sort of assault.

I'm not trying to race bait or say anything bad, but I think some of this is a real problem and we might start seeing it here in the U.S.

Additionally the Somali Muslim community in Michigan has been trying to get their local governments to enact Shari'ah law.
Sharia law allows for "honor killings" and other violence such as a weekly beating of one's wife.

This cutural/religious law code is diametrically opposed to any and all federal, state, and local statues.

...food for thought...

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 sebster wrote:
 whembly wrote:
<--- stubborn mule...

Looks like Paul Ryan endorses Trump now...[/url]


Remember when I called the Ryan and Trump meetings as political theatre? Yeah. The party establishment drops their ideology to suit their immediate political interests. And why wouldn't they? Guys like Ryan have been con artists from the start, selling a make believe intellectual conservatism, but just shilling whatever needed to be sold at any given time.

That's pretty harsh...

He's the Speaker of the House AND the main man at the RNC Convention. So he's expected to try to work with whomever's the President.

Ben Sasse or Ted Cruz can afford to be #NeverTrump, while Ryan needed to "flex" his p90 muscle to remind Trump that he has to work with Congressional Leadership (McConnagal tacticly endorsed Trump a few days ago).


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Asterios wrote:
each to our own and our own opinions and beliefs.


You are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.


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 Ouze wrote:
As a moderate who leans liberal, I am totally OK with that.


As someone who thinks democracy works best when everyone is contributing substantial and intelligent discourse, as that leads to beneficial public policy, I really am not okay with this. The Republican party as it is today is not okay. It wasn't okay before Trump, and it's been shown to be even worse as its fallen in behind him.

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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

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Asterios wrote:
 sebster wrote:
Asterios wrote:
I don't think Jeb even wanted to run, or at least that is what it seemed like to me.


Bush certainly wanted to be president. He just didn't want to have to run in that Republican primary, where the audience seemed to crave crazier and nastier lies by the day. Trump in part created that environment, and then reveled in it. Bush never really figured out how bad things had gotten.


well, can't blame Trump really he is the result of this generation which has been brought up on reality TV, in reality TV people don't root for the stable person, they root for the insane maniac, which is why so many cause its good sense for networks, Trump is not an idiot he knows this and he uses it, HRC and Sanders are so disconnected from todays reality they have no clue still what is going on, and the way things stand Trump will win the election, he can say that disability should be cut to better regulate and fix it, and people will eat it up, they want the zany, they want the crazy, they want the loony tunes to win the show and that is all it is too them thanks to the networks.


I don't think reality tv show loving millennials were anywhere close to being a significant portion of Republican primary voters. I think the Republican Party's continued use of disjointed counter productive rhetoric and pandering over the last several years finally caught up with them. When party members put forth narratives and campaign platforms that actively hurt their base's opinion of the party establishment and senior representatives they end up encouraging voters to embrace an outsider candidate because they've destroyed the perception of their own party by their party members.

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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Asterios wrote:
[HRC and Sanders are so disconnected from todays reality they have no clue still what is going on,



You must not have seen/heard any of Sanders' speeches... Sure, some on these boards think his ideas are "pie in the sky," but the majority of his statements are certainly grounded in reality.

Wage stagnation is a real thing. College tuition has sky rocketed, outstripping the potential earnings/salary once people leave school, etc. etc. etc.



Wage stagnation is a real thing and now all the hamburger flippers and grocery baggers want $15 an hour?
Those jobs aren't worth that, nor are they intended to be used to support oneself. Why is a hamburger flipper worth being paid just a little less than a skilled tradesman?

You want more money? Get skills. Simple as that.

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xraytango wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Sting? They have legal documentation. I don't know what sting you are referring to.


then what kind of Visa did they enter the country under?

Asterios... there's an existing Refugee program. Think of it as a different version of political asylum.

You and I argued that the President has statutory authority to preventing immigrants into the US?

Conversely, the President (and certain administration officials) has authority granting aliens immigration privileges.


This.


and it still does not answer the question.


Sure it does. They are legally here under the Fed's refugee settlement program. They were placed with us by them.


you should play the lottery since if you know some of the less then 1100 (1736, still a far cry from the 10K Obama pledged to bring over.) Syrian Refugees allowed into the country, you must have some good luck going for you.


 Kilkrazy wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Sting? They have legal documentation. I don't know what sting you are referring to.


then what kind of Visa did they enter the country under?

Asterios... there's an existing Refugee program. Think of it as a different version of political asylum.

You and I argued that the President has statutory authority to preventing immigrants into the US?

Conversely, the President (and certain administration officials) has authority granting aliens immigration privileges.


and you said they were here legally which would indicate you know what kind of Visa they entered the country under?

reason i'm asking is a Church near me which was housing allegedly legal refugees from "Columbia" I think? just got raided by ICE 2 weeks ago and it turns out they were not here legally.


Your statement is again merely another piece of hearsay anecdotal evidence unsupported by any documentation.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that if you're right it's best to give a link to a reputable news article or something like that.


oh like Frazzled should since i'm sure Syrian refugees to a town would make the paper more then an illegal immigrant family being deported? also this didn't even make a blurb in the 911 section of the local paper.




xraytango wrote:
More like 76,000 quietly placed in towns all across the U.S. without papers and no interrogation as to their need to come here.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/02/obama-plans-to-bring-thousands-more-syrian-refugees-into-the-u-s/

In the town I live in I have seen a lot of Muslims recently, I wonder if we got some of them here.

This next point might not come across the right way as I have been working 14 hour days of late but here goes:

There seems to be a disconnect when people are talking about Muslims from the middle east as though it is a 1st amendment issue and some such thing like that, being upset that a group would be discriminated from entry because of their ideology. Okay fine I understand the liberal view (morally liberal as in, let's all get along, ( not a bad thing certainly)) but remember even if you discriminate ONLY on country of origin you will still be discriminating against their ideology as well. Why? Because in those country 99.79 percent of the population is Muslim by default, it is all they are allowed to be, they have no choice of religion or even to reject religion.

That's a point I think needed making, hope it was understandable. Seems logical and no malice intended only truth.

Also for the user Minx that lives in Europe and hasn't been tuned in to what has happened in Cologne, Brussels, Paris and other places, please look up the video on YouTube about something called "Taharrush", it is quite disturbing. I was watching a video commentary and they showed a clip from the train station security camera. The woman's screams were so blood curdling,, I hope I never hear that again; fortunately the video cut before anything more disturbing was shown.

You have an influx of young single Muslim men who's culture tells them that any woman a) not a Muslim and b) not dressed to Muslim standards are fair game for this sort of assault.

I'm not trying to race bait or say anything bad, but I think some of this is a real problem and we might start seeing it here in the U.S.

Additionally the Somali Muslim community in Michigan has been trying to get their local governments to enact Shari'ah law.
Sharia law allows for "honor killings" and other violence such as a weekly beating of one's wife.

This cutural/religious law code is diametrically opposed to any and all federal, state, and local statues.

...food for thought...


The sharia law thing is a red herring. Pocket communities of ethnic/religious groups living in accordance to their beliefs have always existed in the US. We see it with Orthodox Jews in NYC, Amish in PA, Quakers in Ohio, Mormons in Utah etc. Acts like honor killings are literally impossible to legalize in the US. There is no religious exemption for textbook premeditated murder. That's just hyperbolic fear mongering.

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 whembly wrote:
First up... Sanders has no chance unless a significant portion of the Super Delegates "flips" to him.


That's been a red herring from the start. The super-delegates have shown they will flip to support the candidate with the lead in pledged delegates, per 2008. The reason Sanders can't flip them is because he hasn't won the pledged delegates.

Secondly... that's not cherry picking. Marist is one of the few polling outfits has been really strong this year. Even 538 gives them an "A" rating.


Cherry picking isn't about the quality of the source, it's about picking the outlying survey. Looking at 538 for the last 10 California primary surveys, 6 of them give Clinton a win in excess of 10 points, and four show very close races (weirdly enough not one forecasts between 5 and 10%). So why pick one of the close results only?

What's notable is that, in California, HRC is trending downward, whereas Sanders is trending upwards in these last few weeks.

Conversely, look at the nation DNC primary trend:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html
HRC is trending upward at the expense of Sanders.


Again, you're looking at a single survey source. Use the 538 aggregator and you'll see a different dynamic, where Clinton has spent almost all of the year about 45%, she then started growing in support, pushing up 10 points, 45% in March, and 55% in May. Then from late may until today we've seen a tightening in the poll results. It's an interesting shift this late in the campaign, but as to whether it's a genuine shift in 'momentum' we will have to wait to see.

So while HRC should win... it's telling that she can't close this out.


Sort of. It first up speaks to the issue of the Democratic system, it lacks decisive results. I don't like winner take all results as they're basically undemocratic, but that doesn't mean the Democratic system of proportional results is any better. It makes the primaries run on with these wearying grinding process - instead of quick mathematical elimination we watch the process drag out as the secondary candidate slowly go from 'possible but improbable' to 'mathematically possible but not actually possible'.

Second up, I really don't think it says anything about the general. Clinton is in an election against Sanders, decided by the Democrat base. After this she will enter a race against Trump decided by the whole electorate. They're really not the same thing. That is, of course, assuming that Sanders doesn't do anything stupid after June 7 - the issue has always been the risk of splitting the Democrat vote is Sanders tried a Nader.

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 Minx wrote:
 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
 Minx wrote:
 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Given the atrocities that Islamic migrants have visited upon Europe, hopefully this continues to be the case.


I am currently living in Europe and must've missed all these atrocities. Care to elaborate?


It's been all over the news...how have you missed it?

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/cologne-is-every-day-europes-rape-epidemic/news-story/e2e618e17ad4400b5ed65045e65e141d

26 women sexually assaulted at music festival...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/world/europe/darmstadt-germany-migrants-assaults.html?_r=0

Mass rape attack on New Year's Eve...

http://nypost.com/2016/01/10/germans-slam-rapefugees-in-wake-of-mass-sexual-attack/



Have you really been missing this, or are you intentionally ignoring the evidence in the name of multiculturalism?

Oh, "those" kinds of atrocities. Yeah, it's a real shame that some people believe all this trumped up nonsense. The extend of what happened is very far from what some "news" tried to make of it. The perpetrators are usually Germans or illegal north Africans and very seldom refugees from the middle east. And their faith usually isn't a significant reason for any of those thefts and assaults. So, don't let racism cloud your judgement.


So...you have facts to substantiate your opinion? Please don't let cultural marxism cloud YOUR judgment.

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Prestor Jon wrote:
Spoiler:
xraytango wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Sting? They have legal documentation. I don't know what sting you are referring to.


then what kind of Visa did they enter the country under?

Asterios... there's an existing Refugee program. Think of it as a different version of political asylum.

You and I argued that the President has statutory authority to preventing immigrants into the US?

Conversely, the President (and certain administration officials) has authority granting aliens immigration privileges.


This.


and it still does not answer the question.


Sure it does. They are legally here under the Fed's refugee settlement program. They were placed with us by them.


you should play the lottery since if you know some of the less then 1100 (1736, still a far cry from the 10K Obama pledged to bring over.) Syrian Refugees allowed into the country, you must have some good luck going for you.


 Kilkrazy wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Sting? They have legal documentation. I don't know what sting you are referring to.


then what kind of Visa did they enter the country under?

Asterios... there's an existing Refugee program. Think of it as a different version of political asylum.

You and I argued that the President has statutory authority to preventing immigrants into the US?

Conversely, the President (and certain administration officials) has authority granting aliens immigration privileges.


and you said they were here legally which would indicate you know what kind of Visa they entered the country under?

reason i'm asking is a Church near me which was housing allegedly legal refugees from "Columbia" I think? just got raided by ICE 2 weeks ago and it turns out they were not here legally.


Your statement is again merely another piece of hearsay anecdotal evidence unsupported by any documentation.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that if you're right it's best to give a link to a reputable news article or something like that.


oh like Frazzled should since i'm sure Syrian refugees to a town would make the paper more then an illegal immigrant family being deported? also this didn't even make a blurb in the 911 section of the local paper.




xraytango wrote:
More like 76,000 quietly placed in towns all across the U.S. without papers and no interrogation as to their need to come here.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/02/obama-plans-to-bring-thousands-more-syrian-refugees-into-the-u-s/

In the town I live in I have seen a lot of Muslims recently, I wonder if we got some of them here.

This next point might not come across the right way as I have been working 14 hour days of late but here goes:

There seems to be a disconnect when people are talking about Muslims from the middle east as though it is a 1st amendment issue and some such thing like that, being upset that a group would be discriminated from entry because of their ideology. Okay fine I understand the liberal view (morally liberal as in, let's all get along, ( not a bad thing certainly)) but remember even if you discriminate ONLY on country of origin you will still be discriminating against their ideology as well. Why? Because in those country 99.79 percent of the population is Muslim by default, it is all they are allowed to be, they have no choice of religion or even to reject religion.

That's a point I think needed making, hope it was understandable. Seems logical and no malice intended only truth.

Also for the user Minx that lives in Europe and hasn't been tuned in to what has happened in Cologne, Brussels, Paris and other places, please look up the video on YouTube about something called "Taharrush", it is quite disturbing. I was watching a video commentary and they showed a clip from the train station security camera. The woman's screams were so blood curdling,, I hope I never hear that again; fortunately the video cut before anything more disturbing was shown.

You have an influx of young single Muslim men who's culture tells them that any woman a) not a Muslim and b) not dressed to Muslim standards are fair game for this sort of assault.

I'm not trying to race bait or say anything bad, but I think some of this is a real problem and we might start seeing it here in the U.S.

Additionally the Somali Muslim community in Michigan has been trying to get their local governments to enact Shari'ah law.
Sharia law allows for "honor killings" and other violence such as a weekly beating of one's wife.

This cutural/religious law code is diametrically opposed to any and all federal, state, and local statues.

...food for thought...


The sharia law thing is a red herring. Pocket communities of ethnic/religious groups living in accordance to their beliefs have always existed in the US. We see it with Orthodox Jews in NYC, Amish in PA, Quakers in Ohio, Mormons in Utah etc. Acts like honor killings are literally impossible to legalize in the US. There is no religious exemption for textbook premeditated murder. That's just hyperbolic fear mongering.




And you realize that you will see fewer and fewer cases of heinous acts prosecuted as cultural Marxism takes over.

IIRC NPR actually reported on that being the case, are you saying that NPR is far mongering? It has been a few years ago, but I remember hearing about the Somali Muslim community, or at least some of their more radical clerics pushing for leeway from local governments so that they could practice Sharia.

Evidently not as much of a red herring as you might think:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-the-first-majority-muslim-us-city-residents-tense-about-its-future/2015/11/21/45d0ea96-8a24-11e5-be39-0034bb576eee_story.html

And that's from the Washington Post! Notice the person quoted in the article who voices his concern over the mistreatment of women.

So info like this is coming from both the right and the left, can you really say that it shouldn't be a concern?

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