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Second, I'm sorry people are protesting and causing a gakstorm at a Trump rally but guess what? The brought it on himself. You can't piss in the wind and be surprised when it hits you in the face.


BLAME THE VICTIM!

I miss that guy...

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 jreilly89 wrote:

I promote anarchy because I blame Trump? Innocent Trump, the guy who wants to build a wall to fence off Mexico, make Muslims sign a registry, and could fly off the handle at the drop of a hat? Has flown off the handle at the drop of a hat, accusing women who criticize him of being on their period? Yeah, then call me an anarchist.

Second, I'm sorry people are protesting and causing a gakstorm at a Trump rally but guess what? The brought it on himself. You can't piss in the wind and be surprised when it hits you in the face.


fly off the handle at the drop of a hat? you mean like the protesters are? criticizing people? you mean like the protesters are, causing a gakstorm? you mean like the protesters are? you say Trump is promoting this and yet you didn't ask my question, how many riots and injuries and attacks caused by Trump supporters at HRC's or Sanders rallys? and yet you claim those attack Trump supporters are innocents? that its all trumps fault? so you are saying they are mindless idiots who have no control over their actions? seriously do you listen to yourself? all I see in the Protesters are a bunch of thugs and threats to the security of this nation. and that is why people are being swayed to Trump.

so by your own standard a rape victim would be responsible for being raped because they dressed sexy?

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He still exists Frazzled... I know where he is...

Also whilst you could understand why people would be violent towards Trump supporters, it's still unacceptable.

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 whembly wrote:
 jreilly89 wrote:

Second, I'm sorry people are protesting and causing a gakstorm at a Trump rally but guess what? The brought it on himself. You can't piss in the wind and be surprised when it hits you in the face.

That argument is no different than a rapist blaming the victim for wearing that hot dress.


Protest all you want... but, resorting to violence should be called out no matter which sides does it.

The irony of all of this is that it helps Trump, as it clarifies this election as a BINARY choice. While minimizes the #neverTrump... like me.


The difference is that Trumpo is actively working to threaten the interests of Mexicans and Muslims, so they've got some kind of moral right to actively work back. A rapist doesn't have any moral right to assault a woman for wearing a skimpy dress.

I agree that violence is not the best way, though.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 jreilly89 wrote:

Second, I'm sorry people are protesting and causing a gakstorm at a Trump rally but guess what? The brought it on himself. You can't piss in the wind and be surprised when it hits you in the face.

That argument is no different than a rapist blaming the victim for wearing that hot dress.


Protest all you want... but, resorting to violence should be called out no matter which sides does it.

The irony of all of this is that it helps Trump, as it clarifies this election as a BINARY choice. While minimizes the #neverTrump... like me.


The difference is that Trumpo is actively working to threaten the interests of Mexicans and Muslims, so they've got some kind of moral right to actively work back. A rapist doesn't have any moral right to assault a woman for wearing a skimpy dress.

I agree that violence is not the best way, though.

No. Stop.

The moral right is to PEACEFULLY PROTEST and PEACEFULLY ENGAGE the system... the best defense against bad speech is GOOD SPEECH.

The only moral right for violence is to eject an actual-honest-to-god Tyrant/Dictator.

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 whembly wrote:
/tinfoil hat on: to what degree is Trump playing a game where he deliberately baits people into responding emotionally in ways that hurt them and help him? It’s an donkey-cave negotiation tactic, but it’s often a successful one.(what chapter is that in The Art of the Deal??) I mean... he's got the nomination locked up, so what the feth is he doing in San Jose, CA? In a state that he has no chance in the General Election?


It isn't up for grabs for Trump, but there are other Republican races in the seat. And more importantly it's home to a lot of whales, the state might not vote Republican on the whole but there's some serious money in California. I just looked it up and Romney was going there as late as September in 2012.

Trump is doing what every campaigner does, building a warchest. He's totally different, though, and not a politician, because people say so.

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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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 sebster wrote:
 whembly wrote:
/tinfoil hat on: to what degree is Trump playing a game where he deliberately baits people into responding emotionally in ways that hurt them and help him? It’s an donkey-cave negotiation tactic, but it’s often a successful one.(what chapter is that in The Art of the Deal??) I mean... he's got the nomination locked up, so what the feth is he doing in San Jose, CA? In a state that he has no chance in the General Election?


It isn't up for grabs for Trump, but there are other Republican races in the seat. And more importantly it's home to a lot of whales, the state might not vote Republican on the whole but there's some serious money in California. I just looked it up and Romney was going there as late as September in 2012.

Trump is doing what every campaigner does, building a warchest. He's totally different, though, and not a politician, because people say so.

Okay... I guess that makes more sense why he's there.

<takes off my tinfoil hat>


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 Jihadin wrote:
Wait. We're taking North Korea Little Kim seriously now?


No, but if someone is going to pretend that because a random protestor held the flag of another country then he has to vote for the other side, then it only makes sense to ask what that person will do when his preferred candidate is supported by an actual tyrant.

Well, it doesn't really make sense to ask, because no-one involved thinks we're going to get an interesting answer, but still, it had to be done.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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 Kilkrazy wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 jreilly89 wrote:

Second, I'm sorry people are protesting and causing a gakstorm at a Trump rally but guess what? The brought it on himself. You can't piss in the wind and be surprised when it hits you in the face.

That argument is no different than a rapist blaming the victim for wearing that hot dress.


Protest all you want... but, resorting to violence should be called out no matter which sides does it.

The irony of all of this is that it helps Trump, as it clarifies this election as a BINARY choice. While minimizes the #neverTrump... like me.


The difference is that Trumpo is actively working to threaten the interests of Mexicans and Muslims, so they've got some kind of moral right to actively work back. A rapist doesn't have any moral right to assault a woman for wearing a skimpy dress.

I agree that violence is not the best way, though.


Violently attacking people for their political beliefs is wholly unacceptable, it's not merely not the best way. There is no moral justification for burning the American flag to protest Trump. Anyone who doesn't like Trump and/or his politics can vote for an opposing candidate on Election Day. That would be acceptable behavior. There is no reason for people to create dangerous violent confrontations of empty political rhetoric from a candidate that hasn't even won an election yet.

Society would be much better off if people stopped making excuses for despicable behavior when it's directed at people they don't like based upon mostly meaningless and fake political distinctions. There is no need to pick a team and start dehumanizing the perceived other side nothing good will come of it.

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The difference is that Trumpo is actively working to threaten the interests of Mexicans and Muslims, so they've got some kind of moral right to actively work back.





As Trump supporters believe illegal immigrants are actively attempting to destroy their livelihoods and bringing murderers and rapists into the country, I guess following that standard Trump supporters should just pre-emptively machine gun them in self defense of their families and way of life. After all they've got some kind of moral right to actively work back.

No, thats not how Western democracies work (ok maybe Chicago and NYC). Thats how Latin American strongman "republics" work.

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 sebster wrote:
 Jihadin wrote:
Wait. We're taking North Korea Little Kim seriously now?


No, but if someone is going to pretend that because a random protestor held the flag of another country then he has to vote for the other side, then it only makes sense to ask what that person will do when his preferred candidate is supported by an actual tyrant.

Well, it doesn't really make sense to ask, because no-one involved thinks we're going to get an interesting answer, but still, it had to be done.


And I answered you, N. Korea or any of its people are not in California claiming California belongs to Mexico, those protesting are. and that wack job in N. Korea said he would talk with Trump and i'd rather see that then have that wack job lob nukes at his neighbors and start a war., there is a big difference between willing to talk to a presidential candidate and claiming a US state is part of another country while waving that countries flag. and its not a few of the protesters doing that it is thousands of them.

 Frazzled wrote:

The difference is that Trumpo is actively working to threaten the interests of Mexicans and Muslims, so they've got some kind of moral right to actively work back.





As Trump supporters believe illegal immigrants are actuively attempting to destroy their livelihoods and bringing murderers and rapists into the country, I guess following that stadard they should just pre-emptively machine gun them in self defense of their families and way of life. After all they've got some kind of moral right to actively work back.

No, thats not how Western democracies work (ok maybe Chicago and NYC). Thats how Latin American strongman "republics" work.


I agree(disturbing isn't it ), heck we have people waving Mexican Flags and saying California belongs to Mexico, and yet don't see the Trump supporters attacking them, do you? does anyone?

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Asterios wrote:
 Dreadwinter wrote:
xraytango wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Asterios wrote:
[HRC and Sanders are so disconnected from todays reality they have no clue still what is going on,



You must not have seen/heard any of Sanders' speeches... Sure, some on these boards think his ideas are "pie in the sky," but the majority of his statements are certainly grounded in reality.

Wage stagnation is a real thing. College tuition has sky rocketed, outstripping the potential earnings/salary once people leave school, etc. etc. etc.



Wage stagnation is a real thing and now all the hamburger flippers and grocery baggers want $15 an hour?
Those jobs aren't worth that, nor are they intended to be used to support oneself. Why is a hamburger flipper worth being paid just a little less than a skilled tradesman?

You want more money? Get skills. Simple as that.


Actually, they are intended to support oneself. That is literally what "minimum wage" means. It is kind of ridiculous thinking to say that you can work 40 hours a week flipping burgers in a hot high stress environment and it is not meant to support you. But people working in a factory, some of the easiest jobs I have ever had in my life, should be able to support themselves with it. Factories are not skilled labor, but we absolutely need factory workers to make things. Since it is not skilled, should they not be able to support themselves?

I assume since you did not know what "minimum wage" meant, you also do not know how inflation works. Inflation is why we need to raise minimum wage.

Now your issue with skilled tradesmen. They should be paid more than they are right now. They are being grossly underpaid for what they do. Just because people want the minimum wage to be raised, does not mean they do not think people making over the minimum wage are also being underpaid for their work. That is just a goofy argument.


fast food was never meant to be a living wage job, it was meant as an entry level job for kids and teens to learn work habits, problem is with many businesses leaving the country real jobs are becoming scarce, as to Manufacturing jobs being easier then Fast food, no they are not with Manufacturing jobs you have to meet certain quotas and such, fast food you don't.


Jobs aren't generally (or almost ever) designed with the intent of filling a needed role on the part of the jobber. It's either something worth paying a wage over, or it's something else trivial, like a chore you recompense a family member for doing. If you are a productive member of a modern capitalist society, you should receive a living wage, if for no other reason than that modern capitalist societies can and do afford your production.

If it's part of an industry, than it's entry level job should allow someone to support themselves with a full-time wage. If it can't, that's because the industry is financially unviable in a modern context. And fast-food is a profitable venture in the Western world.
They have no excuse to maintain such low wages.

And finally, fast-food restaurants can't leave your country without opening a business opportunity for others, so it does have that over factory work.

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 Kovnik Obama wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Dreadwinter wrote:
xraytango wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Asterios wrote:
[HRC and Sanders are so disconnected from todays reality they have no clue still what is going on,



You must not have seen/heard any of Sanders' speeches... Sure, some on these boards think his ideas are "pie in the sky," but the majority of his statements are certainly grounded in reality.

Wage stagnation is a real thing. College tuition has sky rocketed, outstripping the potential earnings/salary once people leave school, etc. etc. etc.



Wage stagnation is a real thing and now all the hamburger flippers and grocery baggers want $15 an hour?
Those jobs aren't worth that, nor are they intended to be used to support oneself. Why is a hamburger flipper worth being paid just a little less than a skilled tradesman?

You want more money? Get skills. Simple as that.


Actually, they are intended to support oneself. That is literally what "minimum wage" means. It is kind of ridiculous thinking to say that you can work 40 hours a week flipping burgers in a hot high stress environment and it is not meant to support you. But people working in a factory, some of the easiest jobs I have ever had in my life, should be able to support themselves with it. Factories are not skilled labor, but we absolutely need factory workers to make things. Since it is not skilled, should they not be able to support themselves?

I assume since you did not know what "minimum wage" meant, you also do not know how inflation works. Inflation is why we need to raise minimum wage.

Now your issue with skilled tradesmen. They should be paid more than they are right now. They are being grossly underpaid for what they do. Just because people want the minimum wage to be raised, does not mean they do not think people making over the minimum wage are also being underpaid for their work. That is just a goofy argument.


fast food was never meant to be a living wage job, it was meant as an entry level job for kids and teens to learn work habits, problem is with many businesses leaving the country real jobs are becoming scarce, as to Manufacturing jobs being easier then Fast food, no they are not with Manufacturing jobs you have to meet certain quotas and such, fast food you don't.


Jobs aren't generally (or almost ever) designed with the intent of filling a needed role on the part of the jobber. It's either something worth paying a wage over, or it's something else trivial, like a chore you recompense a family member for doing. If you are a productive member of a modern capitalist society, you should receive a living wage, if for no other reason than that modern capitalist societies can and do afford your production.

If it's part of an industry, than it's entry level job should allow someone to support themselves with a full-time wage. If it can't, that's because the industry is financially unviable in a modern context. And fast-food is a profitable venture in the Western world.
They have no excuse to maintain such low wages.

And finally, fast-food restaurants can't leave your country without opening a business opportunity for others, so it does have that over factory work.


actually around here I've already seen 2 fast food places close down this year by me, both of them were torn down and paved over into a parking spaces (one of them I have no clue why since they have way more parking spaces then they will ever need for the couple of small stores by them.) so you are right they don't leave the country, they just leave period, also what is a living wage, that differs whereever you go? I can live comfortably on less then $1,500 a month (I do now) and I own a home. yet people are saying they cannot.

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Asterios wrote:
I agree(disturbing isn't it ), heck we have people waving Mexican Flags and saying California belongs to Mexico, and yet don't see the Trump supporters attacking them, do you? does anyone?


Although I vehemently disagree that Trump should be elected...anything, his supporters have an absolute right to participate. The whole argument is stupid, if entertaining...

As to California, I think Spain has a prior claim, and before Spain certain native tribes...


-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 Frazzled wrote:
Asterios wrote:
I agree(disturbing isn't it ), heck we have people waving Mexican Flags and saying California belongs to Mexico, and yet don't see the Trump supporters attacking them, do you? does anyone?


Although I vehemently disagree that Trump should be elected...anything, his supporters have an absolute right to participate. The whole argument is stupid, if entertaining...

As to California, I think Spain has a prior claim, and before Spain certain native tribes...



and as been found out lately those Indian Tribes were not even the first peoples here in the America's, hell it looks like a lot of Countries could have claims on the Americas even the Aborigines of Australia.

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Asterios wrote:
actually around here I've already seen 2 fast food places close down this year by me, both of them were torn down and paved over into a parking spaces (one of them I have no clue why since they have way more parking spaces then they will ever need for the couple of small stores by them.) so you are right they don't leave the country, they just leave period


Is there less population in your area? Is the economy that much worst than it was before? Because otherwise people still need to be fed, and even people with low-ncome tend to go to fast-food places. Possibly even more than high income individuals. Perhaps there was oversaturation. Perhaps the franchise terms were prohibitive.


Asterios wrote:
also what is a living wage, that differs whereever you go? I can live comfortably on less then $1,500 a month (I do now) and I own a home. yet people are saying they cannot.


Depends on your country's public policy, but it's either the minimum salary needed for an adult to meet a series of needs (housing, feeding, clothing, utilities, health care, transport) and have some leftover for personal expenses or education, or the minimum salary needed for a adult member of a family to meet the same needs for his household.

Since we are moving away from nuclear families being the quintessential driver of society, I think we should separate completely the idea of a living wage and that of a family living wage, but alas my government doesn't agree with me.

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As a Texan my only concern would be whether even more Californians would want to move here.

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 Kovnik Obama wrote:
Asterios wrote:
actually around here I've already seen 2 fast food places close down this year by me, both of them were torn down and paved over into a parking spaces (one of them I have no clue why since they have way more parking spaces then they will ever need for the couple of small stores by them.) so you are right they don't leave the country, they just leave period


Is there less population in your area? Is the economy that much worst than it was before? Because otherwise people still need to be fed, and even people with low-ncome tend to go to fast-food places. Possibly even more than high income individuals. Perhaps there was oversaturation. Perhaps the franchise terms were prohibitive.


Asterios wrote:
also what is a living wage, that differs whereever you go? I can live comfortably on less then $1,500 a month (I do now) and I own a home. yet people are saying they cannot.


Depends on your country's public policy, but it's either the minimum salary needed for an adult to meet a series of needs (housing, feeding, clothing, utilities, health care, transport) and have some leftover for personal expenses or education, or the minimum salary needed for a adult member of a family to meet the same needs for his household.

Since we are moving away from nuclear families being the quintessential driver of society, I think we should separate completely the idea of a living wage and that of a family living wage, but alas my government doesn't agree with me.


I'm in Stockton, Ca. google it nuff said.


 Frazzled wrote:
As a Texan my only concern would be whether even more Californians would want to move here.


you guys keep taking our businesses, Texas and Nevada.

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Hey those businesses aren't going to take themselves!

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Asterios wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
Spoiler:
 whembly wrote:


Anti-Trump protesters are doing it wrong in San Jose, CA:



Watch: The moment a Trump supporter, surrounded by protesters, is egged in the face, hit by other food. pic.twitter.com/qYFdwJWvrS

— Jacob Rascon (@Jacobnbc) June 3, 2016


Chasing Trump supporters, kicking their cars, burning American flags

And San Jose Mayor @sliccardo blames Trump pic.twitter.com/HGYtH0lxy8

— Cameron Gray (@Cameron_Gray) June 3, 2016


Protest is moving pretty quickly. The guy in stripes just punched out, knocked a pregnant lady to the ground pic.twitter.com/kPFKtmJ5Oh

— Nicky Woolf (@NickyWoolf) June 3, 2016



On a day where Clinton finally found some traction against Trump with her "he's unfit for President" speech, the anti-Trumpers weakened it.

If this is indicative of any protest in the RNC/DNC convention, remember this when Trump is sworn in as President January 20th.



I think you're engaging in some kind of psychological transference mechanism.

Someone bops Trump's supporters at a rally.

Therefore Clinton is to blame.

Therefore Trump will get elected.

It doesn't logically follow at all.

When has anything to do with Trump follows logic here?

The thing is, it’s about as effective an ad for voting Trump as I can imagine. It’s an emotional punch straight to the gut.

/tinfoil hat on: to what degree is Trump playing a game where he deliberately baits people into responding emotionally in ways that hurt them and help him? It’s an donkey-cave negotiation tactic, but it’s often a successful one.(what chapter is that in The Art of the Deal??) I mean... he's got the nomination locked up, so what the feth is he doing in San Jose, CA? In a state that he has no chance in the General Election?


I think you've got a pretty active imagination on this topic.

Why wouldn't people switch their vote away from Trump when they see what horror and loathing he inspires?


because it is the other side creating the horrors, not Trumps side, but the Anti-Trumpers, I would rather vote for an egomaniac then thugs any day of the week.


I didn't realise Clinton and/or Sanders were in there throwing punches.

I also didn't realise that they had actively called for their supporters to engage in violence as Trump did.

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
Spoiler:
 whembly wrote:


Anti-Trump protesters are doing it wrong in San Jose, CA:



Watch: The moment a Trump supporter, surrounded by protesters, is egged in the face, hit by other food. pic.twitter.com/qYFdwJWvrS

— Jacob Rascon (@Jacobnbc) June 3, 2016


Chasing Trump supporters, kicking their cars, burning American flags

And San Jose Mayor @sliccardo blames Trump pic.twitter.com/HGYtH0lxy8

— Cameron Gray (@Cameron_Gray) June 3, 2016


Protest is moving pretty quickly. The guy in stripes just punched out, knocked a pregnant lady to the ground pic.twitter.com/kPFKtmJ5Oh

— Nicky Woolf (@NickyWoolf) June 3, 2016



On a day where Clinton finally found some traction against Trump with her "he's unfit for President" speech, the anti-Trumpers weakened it.

If this is indicative of any protest in the RNC/DNC convention, remember this when Trump is sworn in as President January 20th.



I think you're engaging in some kind of psychological transference mechanism.

Someone bops Trump's supporters at a rally.

Therefore Clinton is to blame.

Therefore Trump will get elected.

It doesn't logically follow at all.

When has anything to do with Trump follows logic here?

The thing is, it’s about as effective an ad for voting Trump as I can imagine. It’s an emotional punch straight to the gut.

/tinfoil hat on: to what degree is Trump playing a game where he deliberately baits people into responding emotionally in ways that hurt them and help him? It’s an donkey-cave negotiation tactic, but it’s often a successful one.(what chapter is that in The Art of the Deal??) I mean... he's got the nomination locked up, so what the feth is he doing in San Jose, CA? In a state that he has no chance in the General Election?


I think you've got a pretty active imagination on this topic.

Why wouldn't people switch their vote away from Trump when they see what horror and loathing he inspires?


because it is the other side creating the horrors, not Trumps side, but the Anti-Trumpers, I would rather vote for an egomaniac then thugs any day of the week.


I didn't realise Clinton and/or Sanders were in there throwing punches.

I also didn't realise that they had actively called for their supporters to engage in violence as Trump did.


and yet it is Trumps supporters not engaging in violence, and judging by the Feel the Bern signs it is Sanders supporters engaging in violence. (oh yeah those feel the Bern signs intermingled with them Mexican flags keep showing up on the telly.)

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 whembly wrote:

Ben Sasse or Ted Cruz can afford to be #NeverTrump, while Ryan needed to "flex" his p90 muscle to remind Trump that he has to work with Congressional Leadership (McConnagal tacticly endorsed Trump a few days ago).


Neither Ryan nor Cruz worked with Congressional leadership, in fact they deliberately chose to do the opposite because they wanted to sell the "outsider" narrative.

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 dogma wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Ben Sasse or Ted Cruz can afford to be #NeverTrump, while Ryan needed to "flex" his p90 muscle to remind Trump that he has to work with Congressional Leadership (McConnagal tacticly endorsed Trump a few days ago).


Neither Ryan nor Cruz worked with Congressional leadership, in fact they deliberately chose to do the opposite because they wanted to sell the "outsider" narrative.

Cruz... no.

Ryan? He leads it in the House side.

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 whembly wrote:
 dogma wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Ben Sasse or Ted Cruz can afford to be #NeverTrump, while Ryan needed to "flex" his p90 muscle to remind Trump that he has to work with Congressional Leadership (McConnagal tacticly endorsed Trump a few days ago).


Neither Ryan nor Cruz worked with Congressional leadership, in fact they deliberately chose to do the opposite because they wanted to sell the "outsider" narrative.

Cruz... no.

Ryan? He leads it in the House side.


wonders if Ryan will be a running mate for Trump ?

right now i'm looking at no good candidate is running for election so it makes me wonder what do they know? since no one wants to lead when th Don't bypass the language filter like this. Reds8n is going to hit the fan.

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Asterios wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
Spoiler:
 whembly wrote:


Anti-Trump protesters are doing it wrong in San Jose, CA:



Watch: The moment a Trump supporter, surrounded by protesters, is egged in the face, hit by other food. pic.twitter.com/qYFdwJWvrS

— Jacob Rascon (@Jacobnbc) June 3, 2016


Chasing Trump supporters, kicking their cars, burning American flags

And San Jose Mayor @sliccardo blames Trump pic.twitter.com/HGYtH0lxy8

— Cameron Gray (@Cameron_Gray) June 3, 2016


Protest is moving pretty quickly. The guy in stripes just punched out, knocked a pregnant lady to the ground pic.twitter.com/kPFKtmJ5Oh

— Nicky Woolf (@NickyWoolf) June 3, 2016



On a day where Clinton finally found some traction against Trump with her "he's unfit for President" speech, the anti-Trumpers weakened it.

If this is indicative of any protest in the RNC/DNC convention, remember this when Trump is sworn in as President January 20th.



I think you're engaging in some kind of psychological transference mechanism.

Someone bops Trump's supporters at a rally.

Therefore Clinton is to blame.

Therefore Trump will get elected.

It doesn't logically follow at all.

When has anything to do with Trump follows logic here?

The thing is, it’s about as effective an ad for voting Trump as I can imagine. It’s an emotional punch straight to the gut.

/tinfoil hat on: to what degree is Trump playing a game where he deliberately baits people into responding emotionally in ways that hurt them and help him? It’s an donkey-cave negotiation tactic, but it’s often a successful one.(what chapter is that in The Art of the Deal??) I mean... he's got the nomination locked up, so what the feth is he doing in San Jose, CA? In a state that he has no chance in the General Election?


I think you've got a pretty active imagination on this topic.

Why wouldn't people switch their vote away from Trump when they see what horror and loathing he inspires?


because it is the other side creating the horrors, not Trumps side, but the Anti-Trumpers, I would rather vote for an egomaniac then thugs any day of the week.


I didn't realise Clinton and/or Sanders were in there throwing punches.

I also didn't realise that they had actively called for their supporters to engage in violence as Trump did.


and yet it is Trumps supporters not engaging in violence, and judging by the Feel the Bern signs it is Sanders supporters engaging in violence. (oh yeah those feel the Bern signs intermingled with them Mexican flags keep showing up on the telly.)


And a Trump supporter is currently the dictator of one of the harshest totalitarian regimes on the planet.

So what was your point?

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Asterios wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
Spoiler:
 whembly wrote:


Anti-Trump protesters are doing it wrong in San Jose, CA:



Watch: The moment a Trump supporter, surrounded by protesters, is egged in the face, hit by other food. pic.twitter.com/qYFdwJWvrS

— Jacob Rascon (@Jacobnbc) June 3, 2016


Chasing Trump supporters, kicking their cars, burning American flags

And San Jose Mayor @sliccardo blames Trump pic.twitter.com/HGYtH0lxy8

— Cameron Gray (@Cameron_Gray) June 3, 2016


Protest is moving pretty quickly. The guy in stripes just punched out, knocked a pregnant lady to the ground pic.twitter.com/kPFKtmJ5Oh

— Nicky Woolf (@NickyWoolf) June 3, 2016



On a day where Clinton finally found some traction against Trump with her "he's unfit for President" speech, the anti-Trumpers weakened it.

If this is indicative of any protest in the RNC/DNC convention, remember this when Trump is sworn in as President January 20th.



I think you're engaging in some kind of psychological transference mechanism.

Someone bops Trump's supporters at a rally.

Therefore Clinton is to blame.

Therefore Trump will get elected.

It doesn't logically follow at all.

When has anything to do with Trump follows logic here?

The thing is, it’s about as effective an ad for voting Trump as I can imagine. It’s an emotional punch straight to the gut.

/tinfoil hat on: to what degree is Trump playing a game where he deliberately baits people into responding emotionally in ways that hurt them and help him? It’s an donkey-cave negotiation tactic, but it’s often a successful one.(what chapter is that in The Art of the Deal??) I mean... he's got the nomination locked up, so what the feth is he doing in San Jose, CA? In a state that he has no chance in the General Election?


I think you've got a pretty active imagination on this topic.

Why wouldn't people switch their vote away from Trump when they see what horror and loathing he inspires?


because it is the other side creating the horrors, not Trumps side, but the Anti-Trumpers, I would rather vote for an egomaniac then thugs any day of the week.


I didn't realise Clinton and/or Sanders were in there throwing punches.

I also didn't realise that they had actively called for their supporters to engage in violence as Trump did.


and yet it is Trumps supporters not engaging in violence, and judging by the Feel the Bern signs it is Sanders supporters engaging in violence. (oh yeah those feel the Bern signs intermingled with them Mexican flags keep showing up on the telly.)


And a Trump supporter is currently the dictator of one of the harshest totalitarian regimes on the planet.

So what was your point?


not a supporter, but someone willing to talk to Trump.

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:


And a Trump supporter is currently the dictator of one of the harshest totalitarian regimes on the planet.

So what was your point?

The point is, you don’t get to complain about violence at Trump rallies while tacitly endorsing *this riot* because *direct action* is cool when the action is directed at people you don’t like.




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 whembly wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:


And a Trump supporter is currently the dictator of one of the harshest totalitarian regimes on the planet.

So what was your point?

The point is, you don’t get to complain about violence at Trump rallies while tacitly endorsing *this riot* because *direct action* is cool when the action is directed at people you don’t like.



Or, you could be not endorsing it, but just stating the fact that it isn't a damn surprise. Imagine if I walked into Harlem or Detroit, and started screaming the N word. Would it be that surprising if I got assaulted or shot? No. Violence begets violence, that doesn't mean I'm approving or excusing it.

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Has either side denounce the violence?

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