sons of the emperor chapter tactics SR.

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**Captain Solon**

Hi. this is a new chapter tactics rule, and the character who takes it:
Master auron
WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld10 Sv2+ 175 points
Wargear: master crafted Bolter, special issue amunition (bolt pistol) Armour of tichiatius
Special rules: ATSKNF, Orbital bombardment, relentless(?)
replace combat tactics for:
Don't give up, men!
All marine sergeants may use is Ld of 10.
or
cut them Down!
Any tactical squad that Auron is attached to may fire one more shot then usual.
also thinking of a rule that will allow tactical squads to take special issue ammo instead of special or heavy weapons.

armour of tichiatius is special artificer armour that allows the user a 4+ invulnerable save
or
artifier armour with a built in power sword (the the form of a boot

angry marines!)

good/bad?

**Black Antelope**

bad

*Relentless - Does he give it to his squad? If so, its OP on Devs, if not, its ok.

*Ld10 for all squads is ok
*Cut them down is OP - attach him to a Dev squad w/4 Heavies? What about a Sterngaurd w/10 Combi weapons - Thats 20! Melta shots (or 30 Plasma).
*Giving Tac squads Special Ammo is daft, as it makes them too much like Sterngaurd, which are already a troops choice with one of the SC's
All 3 of these at once? Crazy.

*Doen't need a special 4++, as he'd have Iron Halo anyway.
*Don't be memey. If you want a built in PW, have it sticking out of his wrist guard or something.

So, is there any fluff reasons for this at all?

This could work:
WS6 BS5 S4 T4 I5 A3 Ld10 Sv2+
MC Bolter (w/Special Issue Ammo), Power Weapon, Iron Halo, Artificer Armour
ATSKNF, OB, Relentless (for himself only), Chapter Tactics - Not One Step Black!

Not One Step Back! - Replaces Combat Tactics - The *Insert whatever chapter here* are resolute in the face of certain annihilation, and will never give ground to the enemy. All Sergent models are Ld10. In addition, any Sergent with a Boltgun may purchase Specail Issue Ammunition for 5 points.

Points:
125 + 40 (Termie armour (PW+SB) ~ Artificer+PW+Boltgun+Relentless) + 5 (MC Bolter) + 10 (SIA) + 10 (Chapter Tactics) = 190 points

**jbunny**

I agree with Black Antelope on this one.

**Captain Solon**

Black Antelope wrote:bad

*Relentless - Does he give it to his squad? If so, its OP on Devs, if not, its ok.
[NO.]

*Ld10 for all squads is ok
*Cut them down is OP - attach him to a Dev squad w/4 Heavies? What about a Sterngaurd w/10 Combi weapons - Thats 20! Melta shots (or 30 Plasma).
[what the hell? I said TACTICAL SQUADS, AS IN TACTICAL AND NOT ANY OTHER KIND OF SQUAD. DEVASTATORS ARE DEVASTATOR MARINES, NOT TACTICAL MARINES.]
*Giving Tac squads Special Ammo is daft, as it makes them too much like Sterngaurd, which are already a troops choice with one of the SC's
All 3 of these at once? Crazy.
[maybe one squad may take it, instead?]

*Doen't need a special 4++, as he'd have Iron Halo anyway.
[fair enough]
*Don't be memey. If you want a built in PW, have it sticking out of his wrist guard or something.
[it was a joke, but sure, I'd go with an assasains creed- type blade.] maybe it can cause ID on a 6 or something.

So, is there any fluff reasons for this at all?

This could work:
WS6 BS5 S4 T4 I5 A3 Ld10 Sv2+
MC Bolter (w/Special Issue Ammo), Power Weapon, Iron Halo, Artificer Armour
ATSKNF, OB, Relentless (for himself only), Chapter Tactics - Not One Step Black!

Not One Step Back! - Replaces Combat Tactics - The *Insert whatever chapter here* are resolute in the face of certain annihilation, and will never give ground to the enemy. All Sergent models are Ld10. In addition, any Sergent with a Boltgun may purchase Specail Issue Ammunition for 5 points.

Points:
125 + 40 (Termie armour (PW+SB) ~ Artificer+PW+Boltgun+Relentless) + 5 (MC Bolter) + 10 (SIA) + 10 (Chapter Tactics) = 190 points

I like your idea, but I dislike your assuming that by tactical squads, I meant EVERYTHING IN POWER ARMOUR.

**ZoomDakkaDakka**

Even if it's only Tacs, you could still take 2 heavy weapons with a Tac squad, which would mean 4 heavy weapon shots. And even if he made a mistake confusing what you meant, please don't call other users stupid, it leads to flaming.

**jp400**

Bad... much like 3/4 of your homebrew rules.

For changes, see the above. No sense beating a dead horse.

**Quintinus**

jp400 wrote:Bad... much like all of your homebrew rules.

Fix'd.

**jp400**

LoL...

Vlad I was going to put that origionally, but I felt it was a little TOO harsh.

**Captain Solon**

ZoomDakkaDakka wrote:Even if it's only Tacs, you could still take 2 heavy weapons with a Tac squad, which would mean 4 heavy weapon shots. And even if he made a mistake confusing what you meant, please don't call other users stupid, it leads to flaming.

hmmm. since when can tactical squads take 2 heavy weapons?

**IggyEssEmManlyMan**

OTT and OP. Where's he fit in with fluff? o.O

**Captain Solon**

Iggy, stop just speaking. use your ability to create meaningful threads, instead of just spamming, thats my job.

Anyway, it's a custom chapter. I'm going to assume that alot of you don't understand tac squads, because they can only take a special weapon and one heavy weapon.

Now, the idea is:
Statline: CM
rules: CM
replace combat tactics with:
Not one step back! all sergeants may be allowed to use his Ld of 10 as long as he lives, additionally, all sergeants may fire their bolters as assault 2 instead of rapidfire.

**Black Antelope**

Captain Solon wrote:Iggy, stop just speaking. use your ability to create meaningful threads, instead of just spamming, thats my job.

You actualy admit to not being able to create useful/meaningful threads, and simply spam?

Well, you know what they say, the first step to curing something is to admit you have a problem.
I forget what the second step it is though. I think it involves fire....

**Valkyrie**

Solon, I'm just going to be honest: you seriously need to think all these homebrew rules through many, many times before you post them, hopefully then we may manage to create something we could use.

**jp400**

Ive been saying that for a few days now.

**Miraclefish**

The problem I find with homebrew rules is the flow of creation. They tend to go...

What rules do I want? > How can I back that up in fluff? > Lets tack on a cost > Post it on a forum

Really it ought to go...

What's the story behind my character? > How do I achieve that with stats, USRs and, if required, a one-off rule > How much should it cost? > Playtest with friends and other player > Go back through the stages > Post my tested suggestion on a forum for others to try

This character just seems a bit random to me. There's already a Space Marine Character who lets you use his Leadership across the army. Have a look at him, play a few times and see if you need anything more. If so, go through the second flow chart...

**Quintinus**

Captain Solon wrote: spamming, thats my job.

Sig'd.

**Captain Solon**

WHOOO. I'm in someones signature!

Thanks Vlad -heart heart-

**reds8n**

Captain Solon wrote:

As for calling me a 'bonna-fide idiotic', is that really necesary?

No it isn't.

But.. if you could please take a little time to perhaps think through the rules and ideas you post it would perhaps be better.

That said.. if you don't like the rules or ideas, you don't have to comment.

**Terje-Tubby**

Captain Solon wrote:
ZoomDakkaDakka wrote:Even if it's only Tacs, you could still take 2 heavy weapons with a Tac squad, which would mean 4 heavy weapon shots. And even if he made a mistake confusing what you meant, please don't call other users stupid, it leads to flaming.

hmmm. since when can tactical squads take 2 heavy weapons?

Solon, with all them ideas, why don`t you make Space Solons army, since you have clearly not read C:SM?
Cheers!

**Captain Solon**

Since when can tacs take two heavy weapons!? they can take a heavy and a special weapon, FFS. YOU clearly have not read it if you're saying that.

**Terje-Tubby**

Captain Solon wrote:Since when can tacs take two heavy weapons!? they can take a heavy and a special weapon, FFS. YOU clearly have not read it if you're saying that.

He meant heavy like melta or plasma. Two plasmas would mean 6 rapid firing str 7 ap 2 shots. Melta and multi-melta means 4 melta shots. If that`s not OP i don`t know what is

Cheers!

**Black Antelope**

Terje-Tubby wrote:
Captain Solon wrote:Since when can tacs take two heavy weapons!? they can take a heavy and a special weapon, FFS. YOU clearly have not read it if you're saying that.

He meant heavy like melta or plasma. Two plasmas would mean 6 rapid firing str 7 ap 2 shots. Melta and multi-melta means 4 melta shots. If that`s not OP i don`t know what is
Cheers!

It's worse -

Possible:
4 melta and 2 MM
6 plasma and 2 PC

Its OP unless its limited to boltguns only

**Captain Solon**

then limit it to boltguns.

**Terje-Tubby**

Good, but i think it would be better with a Waaaagh!-like rule; one turn in the game all bolters get one extra shot each.
Cheers!

**Shas'O Dorian**

Angry Marines already have rules for powerfeet, look up their unofficial codex, kinda silly & OOT but I'm working on revising it to be playable

**Terje-Tubby**

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Angry Marines already have rules for powerfeet, look up their unofficial codex, kinda silly & OOT but I'm working on revising it to be playable

What`s powerfeet? And where`s the codex, i`d love to check that one out

Cheers!

**Lorgar's_Blessed**

Terje-Tubby wrote:
Shas'O Dorian wrote:Angry Marines already have rules for powerfeet, look up their unofficial codex, kinda silly & OOT but I'm working on revising it to be playable

What`s powerfeet? And where`s the codex, i`d love to check that one out
Cheers!

They have huge pistons and powered areas added to their shins and forelegs to allow quicker movement to close in with the enemy. AND IT LETS EM BOOT STOMP!

From the Codex I think it added +1I, +1A, and +1S on the charge. Or something like that.

Gotta love dem not-gay yellow marines.