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If a drop a myceti spore with a carnifex inside, can the carnifex still move shoot and assault as normal?

Can a Tyranid Prime join a brood of Carnifex?

if yes, can i get cover saves from a termagaunt if i allocate the wound in the Tyranid Prime?

and last question, if my trygon assaulted a vehicle (ex. Rhino) and penetrates. does my hit consider as AP- with D6 -1 effect in the damage table chart?

Sorry i read the rule book many times and still cant find a solid answer.

1. They can shoot or run, but cannot assault.

2. Sigh... no.

3. Irrelevant.

4. Nope.

odorofdeath wrote:2. Sigh... no.

Unless there have been some FAQ Shenanigans I'm unaware of, Tyranid Primes can join Carnifex broods, even those consisting of a single model. Independent Characters are only unable to join "units that always consist of a single model", which Carnifexes are not.

It's nice, because if the Prime is behind a gaunt screen then half the squad is in cover and the 'Fex gets a cover save.

if yes, can i get cover saves from a termagaunt if i allocate the wound in the Tyranid Prime?

If a Tyranid Prime has joined a unit of Termagants, and the unit of Termagants is not itself in cover, then you cannot take cover saves on wounds that you allocate to it. If the Tyranid Prime is behind the unit of Termagants but not joined to it, than the Prime may take cover saves. In the latter case, the opponent cannot fire at both squads at once - he or she must declare before shooting which of the two (the squad of Termagants or the Tyranid Prime) is the target of shooting.

I dont think a prime can join a single carnifex, but he can join a brood (2 or more)

Thats my interpretation anyway... I believe in the MC rules in the BRB it states a ic cannot join a single MC to make a unit.

Cryage wrote:I dont think a prime can join a single carnifex, but he can join a brood (2 or more)

Thats my interpretation anyway... I believe in the MC rules in the BRB it states a ic cannot join a single MC to make a unit.

Your missing a bit off the end of that rule, ICs cannot join a unit which only ever consists of a single model MC or otherwise. A Carnifex can be taken in broods so this rule doesn't apply, the unit as capable of being larger than one model. A Prime can happily join a single Fex and its a fairly effective tactic, it works the same way attaching a Tyrant to a single Tyrant Guard works. Usually you see two Primes and two Fexs though in a very powerful Deathstar.

tryke wrote:If a drop a myceti spore with a carnifex inside, can the carnifex still move shoot and assault as normal?

Like odorofdeath posted, shoot or run, no assaults though.

Can a Tyranid Prime join a brood of Carnifex?

Yes, as explained previously.

if yes, can i get cover saves from a termagaunt if i allocate the wound in the Tyranid Prime?

You can get a cover save to either the fex or the prime, if you have a intervening unit of termigants, and if at least half of the unit is non-MC models. While the fex does not count as being in cover, the prime does, so 50% of the unit is in cover and cover saves are given to the entire unit not to the models.

and last question, if my trygon assaulted a vehicle (ex. Rhino) and penetrates. does my hit consider as AP- with D6 -1 effect in the damage table chart?

AP has no effect in CC, so no.

Sorry i read the rule book many times and still cant find a solid answer.

thanks for the information guys. it was really a big help for a newbie like me.

is 2 Primes with 2 carnifexes each are worth it in a 2k below army list?

50% of the models need to be in cover in order to get a coversave.

A prime with 2 carnifexes do not have 50% of it's model in cover, only 33% (unles you actualy have cover and not a gaunt screen).

I would keep them in a brood of one.

Or if you like the overcosted carnifex (it is not bad, only 40 points to expensive in this meta) you can always go for the cheap gargoyle screen.

I see so the buildings and gargoyles for the cover saves. is it illegal if i pose the gargoyle's wings enough to block 50% of the carnifexes?

i really dont mind with 2 units of overcosted doublefexes and primes. i really love the carnifex model. hehe.

not a tourney player anyways.

tryke wrote:I see so the buildings and gargoyles for the cover saves. is it illegal if i pose the gargoyle's wings enough to block 50% of the carnifexes?

No as wings do not count as part of the model for LOS. (See the main rulebook)
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Nungunz wrote:

tryke wrote:I see so the buildings and gargoyles for the cover saves. is it illegal if i pose the gargoyle's wings enough to block 50% of the carnifexes?

No as wings do not count as part of the model for LOS. (See the main rulebook)

They don't count for tracing LOS *to* a model, but they absolutely count for blocking LOS.

And yes - modifying your models to gain an advantage they wouldn't normally give would be modeling for advantage.
Screen with gargoyles and something else - warriors, gants, gaunts, ... gargs block upper LOS, other blocks lower LOS.

rigeld2 wrote:

Nungunz wrote:

tryke wrote:I see so the buildings and gargoyles for the cover saves. is it illegal if i pose the gargoyle's wings enough to block 50% of the carnifexes?

No as wings do not count as part of the model for LOS. (See the main rulebook)

They don't count for tracing LOS *to* a model, but they absolutely count for blocking LOS.

And yes - modifying your models to gain an advantage they wouldn't normally give would be modeling for advantage.
Screen with gargoyles and something else - warriors, gants, gaunts, ... gargs block upper LOS, other blocks lower LOS.

yes thank you for clearing that up.