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Hey all, first of all I couldn't decide between this forum or army list but since i'm mostly gonna talk about tactics I figured that this is the best place for my thread, but mods are free to move it.

Alright, so - i'm going to play against a newbie friend soon who is interested in WHFB and WoC! Luckily for him I actually got a little WoC army which i'm slowly building on but it really is small. Anyway, we talked about how the game would look like and he wanted to try a little of everything that he was interested in which is cavalry, magic and a really tough general/killer/slayer etc. So now i've been building on a list which is made for fun and we are going to play with house rules aka we don't really care about the 25% lord stuff etc. So this is what I got at the moment -

Warriors of Chaos


Orcs and Goblins

The points are pretty equal. I could add more units to my Orc list but I wanted to balance it out a little bit and make it easier for him and harder for me to win the game. He wanted to battle archers so I gave him some archers and he wanted to battle some tough troops so I gave him some tough troops! Anyway, what do you guys think? Does these two lists look fairly balanced and a good start for a newbie to begin with?

Also, I would love to lower the amount of magic items but as I said i'm pretty short on WoC models so I wanted to make it as epic as possible.

UPDATED -
I changed the lists quite a lot. The core units are pretty much the same except that I removed Banner of Wrath from the Tzeentch Warriors and gave them Wailing Banner instead. I think that lvl 2 Wizards are the way to go instead of starting with lvl 4's. I removed my Dispel Scroll but decided that he could keep his scroll. I also added 4 Chaos Ogre's to the list and I will buy, paint and glue them together soon.

Rules of the game


So, what do you guys think?

I have just recently started running a chaos lord on foot but the build is quite powerful.
Lord
mot
tali of preservation
rune sword
charmed shield

pretty bad ass with good protection.

I would suggest the lvl 4 getting the 35 point magic armor that with the mot gives him a 4++ a long with infernal puppet and a give him the sword that causes fear and roar is a great gift for disc riders. Also don't le him charge things other than war machines.

The ax of khorne is waaay too expensive for what it does.
I run my bsb like so (he also costs a bit more so that may help)
bsb 200
mot
tali of endurance
dragon helm
biting blade
iron curse icon
shield

2+ armor 4++ ward and a 2++ against flaming.

The rest isn't amazing but with limited models and those beastly characters should make it a blood bath.

With the lists you just posted the orcs will annihilate the WoC and doing that to a newbie player is just bad for the hobby. He needs more warriors and marauders, playing two warbosses will really frustrate him as they will destroy his warriors and knights without a problem. You should also lose the fanatics as you are trying to show him the game and that is a cheap shot on a new player. I am just looking at both lists and I see a lot of tricks both sides could do and your opponent wont know any of his armies tricks or what your army can do and so this wont be a fair match or any fun for the new player.

cowpow16 wrote:

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I have just recently started running a chaos lord on foot but the build is quite powerful.
Lord
mot
tali of preservation
rune sword
charmed shield

pretty bad ass with good protection.

I would suggest the lvl 4 getting the 35 point magic armor that with the mot gives him a 4++ a long with infernal puppet and a give him the sword that causes fear and roar is a great gift for disc riders. Also don't le him charge things other than war machines.

The ax of khorne is waaay too expensive for what it does.
I run my bsb like so (he also costs a bit more so that may help)
bsb 200
mot
tali of endurance
dragon helm
biting blade
iron curse icon
shield

2+ armor 4++ ward and a 2++ against flaming.

The rest isn't amazing but with limited models and those beastly characters should make it a blood bath.

Thanks for the advice(s). As for the Chaos Lord I will keep him as he is. While it's true that your Chaos Lord is stronger than my Chaos Lord I won't change him anyway. I decided to make him as killy as possible to please my friend. I won't use the Infernal Puppet to my newbie friend since it can be pretty confusing but otherwise I would use it since it's sooo good.

praetorian_aak wrote: With the lists you just posted the orcs will annihilate the WoC and doing that to a newbie player is just bad for the hobby. He needs more warriors and marauders, playing two warbosses will really frustrate him as they will destroy his warriors and knights without a problem. You should also lose the fanatics as you are trying to show him the game and that is a cheap shot on a new player. I am just looking at both lists and I see a lot of tricks both sides could do and your opponent wont know any of his armies tricks or what your army can do and so this wont be a fair match or any fun for the new player.

I changed quite a bit. What do you think of it now? I will keep the Fanatics though. I will inform my friend that my Night Goblins are dangerous and that he should be careful to approach them, but I won't tell him why they are dangerous. I won't run close to him with my Night Goblins, he will have to run to them and with all his Chaos Armor models they won't really be much of a threat anyway when it comes to shooting.