Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Welcome to the Sci-fi News & Rumors thread for Mantic Games!

This thread contains all the latest info and images from all of Mantic's sci-fi gaming systems such as Warpath, Dreadball, Deadzone, Project Pandora and others.

Pictures can be found throughout the thread, the the thread title will point to the page containing them, this first post will be kept updated with a brief summary of rumors about each of mantic's sci-fi games.

Latest Dreadball N&R:

- DBX will ship later this year after a successful Kickstarter funding the game and 12 new teams which will be compatible with the original Dreadball game.

Latest Deadzone N&R:

- 4 kits will be produced in hard plastic (on sprues) instead of resin plastic - The Enforcers, Pathfinders, Zombies and Forge Guard.
- A second Deadzone Kickstarter will happen at some point this year to fund a new faction and some additions to all current factions.

Latest Warpath N&R:

- Kickstarter coming in 2015. Not this year.
- Hard Plastic everything, core infantry, tanks, aircraft when it launches.
- Current ruleset covers medium-sized engagements (40-60 minis + a few vehicles on average), there will be an additional, separate ruleset to handle mass battles.

Latest Mars Attacks! N&R:

- Will be released August 2014, in partnership with Topps.

Introduction and Useful Links:

Warpath 2.0 Rules and Army Lists. (80-page full-colour .pdf)

Are there pics of the keepers yet? And what is in each upgrade pack?

The upgrade packs will be as per the kickstarter - more figures to take the team to the maximums they are allowed per type of player. (4 or 5 figures per team, I forget)

They may also have varient poses in them as this was also part of the kickstarter, and so far we only have the basic poses.

At that price point (slightly over half the price of a $25 team box), 4 models looks very likely, as a set containing nothing but the alternate sculpts.

You need 16 models to fill out all positions and options for those positions for a team, so buying a team box (8 models) + 2 upgrade packs will get you there and maximize sculpt variety for your team, and give you *everything*.

It's quite a smart approach, they're making absolutely sure that getting hold of all of the models you want without having any leftovers is easily done.

 scarletsquig wrote:

You need 16 models to fill out all positions and options for those positions for a team, so buying a team box (8 models) + 2 upgrade packs will get you there and maximize sculpt variety for your team, and give you *everything*.

It's quite a smart approach, they're making absolutely sure that getting hold of all of the models you want without having any leftovers is easily done.

You'll get too many of the certain positions, if you go that route.
Maximum number for each position is twice the number that your starting team has.
For humans it is 6 striker, 6 jacks & 4 guards. With starter + 2 upgrades you'll get 5 striker*, 7 jacks* & 4 guards

2 starters would have Exactly twice the number of players when comparing to 1 starter. (no new bodies though)

*(These could be other way around, as I don't remember which positions come in upgrade box)

As one of those who is interested in Dreadball but not as interested in other Mantic products, I'm very glad about this thread (not sure you need such a long disclaimer in the OP, though )

Can we get the prices in GBP as well please.

^ Don't have GBP prices at the moment, but an estimate, I'd say £8 for the upgrade packs and £5 for the keepers?

 RiTides wrote:
(not sure you need such a long disclaimer in the OP, though )

Have a look at the first few pages of the last 2 mantic threads I created and see if you still agree.

I'll remove the disclaimer in time (the OP will be kept updated), but for now its staying in the hopes that I can finally make a thread that isn't filled with the usual gak for the first 10 pages. :p

I'll be glad to get my hands on a keeper and some alternate sculpts for my Veer-myn simply for more variety amongst my strikers. The Keeper obviously will hopefully be useful for league play assuming one of my guards gets that skill.

When's the likely release/ship date for season 2 and then season 3 stuff? I piggy-backed onto someone's pledge for a season 3 team, I assume I don't have to worry about getting anything until the fall or so

Season 3 was scheduled for august. I believe.

Moved over from the other thread now Scarletsquig has dug this up for me

I've just had a mail (via KS) from Mantic offering the opportunity to add futher season 2 stuff if I wanted so as it seems not everybody gets (or bothers to read) KS messages after the campaign ends....

Dear Backers

It's time for the second survey for the DreadBall Kickstarter. We hope you're all enjoying the game! It's not long now before we'll be dispatching the next shipment of DreadBall rewards, and we thought you might like the chance to pick up those extra bits that you missed first time round.

Please only complete this survey if you want to add something that you have not already ordered. You can check the items that are already due to be delivered to you using the sheet provided with your first shipment. Any items added in this survey will be invoiced via Paypal after completion, and this invoice must be paid for your second shipment to be dispatched. If you have any questions, please send them to us via the Kickstarter messaging system.


(I've not included the links since they are only open to KS backers... trot over to mail icon on your KS account to access yours

NOTE: If you've already ordered all the season 2 stuff you want you don't need to do anything

Season 2 (official) team logos, names & colours:

Female Corp:

Judwan:

Robots:

Zz'or:

I do like the logo for the Zz'or team - that's come out very nicely.

One little snippet of interest - The Judwan sculpts are being modified to suck less.

 scarletsquig wrote:
One little snippet of interest - The Judwan sculpts are being modified to suck less.

Have there been new sculpts we are missing?

I get worried yet again when last time they said they were modifying stuff to 'suck less' the result was zero changes to the model, and the 'not done' models which sucked and were being modified to 'suck less' never actually did get modified.

^ Can you be more specific, I can't think of any other time that Mantic has actually said that.

No new sculpts, I'm just referring to the Judwan green that nobody liked in the previous thread.

 scarletsquig wrote:
One little snippet of interest - The Judwan sculpts are being modified to suck less.

Hmmm, I dunno, there is a post on the official forums that says the following (in response to the claim the sculpt has been modified);

Please quote your source? Because the person I've been speaking to at mantic directly contradicts your assertion; which means either they've reneged on their plan to resculpt or you've just made it up.

Email received this morning:
"The figure wasn’t resculpted, just repaired to fix the issues that were unfortunately shown in that photo – there was an error with the disc on the back and the feet were attached to the base at an odd angle – these have now been fixed."

Sounds like the only issues that have been changed are the angle of the feet to the base and... something with the disk?

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ Can you be more specific, I can't think of any other time that Mantic has actually said that.

No new sculpts, I'm just referring to the Judwan green that nobody liked in the previous thread.

Wildcard for 1. Number 88 for another.

Wildcard was a terrible green and they said it was unfinished and guess what? It was finished.

Number 88 was missing detail and it was said it is 'not done' but yet when the final model appeared, the detail was still missing.

I will never trust Mantic's ability to turn concept art into valid models for future KS as they lack that ability depending on who the sculptor is. I will need to see finished sculpts before I will consider buying a model in the future.

What detail is Number 88 missing? I've got one and painted it and it seems fine.

Riquende wrote:
What detail is Number 88 missing? I've got one and painted it and it seems fine.

When they released the sculpt, his arm with his 'glove' was just an undetailed lump of GS. Many people asked if it was complete and they said 'no, this is a WIP, there will be more detail'.

And there wasn't.

They also commented he was out of scale with the other models... and they said that wouldn't be an issue when produced.

And it still is.

Instead of admitting the model is done and they have no intention of fixing it, they misled people. Just say "it is done, we already got your money... too bad if you don't like it"

I do not expect they will do anything to actually change that Judiwan (I don't think it is as problematic as wildcard and 88 were) but they are afraid to admit it and people get fooled into thinking it will actually be fixed.

A few KS has fallen into this trap. They get backers based on concept art, then post-funding they show 'progress' and people legitimate complain at the quality of SOME sculpts. Some actually ask for, and want feedback and will resculpt whole models if they do not meet backer expectation. Others simply pay lip service and we get what we get.

I will say there are good Dreadball sculpts, but there are some real stinkers, and every 'oh it isn't done, so hold your criticism' has ended up being a sad attempt to squash bad buzz on a legitimately bad model with no intention on resculpting it. Basically any model not done by Remy is potentially a model which may end up going directly into the trash.

nkelsch wrote:

Riquende wrote:
What detail is Number 88 missing? I've got one and painted it and it seems fine.

When they released the sculpt, his arm with his 'glove' was just an undetailed lump of GS. Many people asked if it was complete and they said 'no, this is a WIP, there will be more detail'.

And there wasn't.

I just got my Number 88 out to check out-his glove arm is fully detailed, every finger is defined, the glove is fully defined...there is no issue with mine at all. Maybe you got a bad one? I love my #88

nkelsch wrote:
Basically any model not done by Remy is potentially a model which may end up going directly into the trash.

If you have any you want to toss, I just got my friend the basic game for his birthday: let me know which models are undesirables for you, and he'll likely offer to buy them from you.

I was one of the most vocal critics of the Wildcard green they showed in their newsletter, but it turned out the model was really quite nice. Mantic just took terrible, terrible pictures of it. Just a slight adjustment to her left arm made her my favorite MVP sculpt.

I suppose the gogo boots might still be an issue for the people who hated them, though.

nkelsch wrote:

Riquende wrote:
What detail is Number 88 missing? I've got one and painted it and it seems fine.

When they released the sculpt, his arm with his 'glove' was just an undetailed lump of GS. Many people asked if it was complete and they said 'no, this is a WIP, there will be more detail'.

And there wasn't.

They also commented he was out of scale with the other models... and they said that wouldn't be an issue when produced.

And it still is.

Yours must be a miscast or something then, as mine is fine. His glove arm is as detailed as the rest of him, and his hand (with separate fingers) is sculpted underneath it. And I'm not sure what scaling issues you refer to as he sits on his base the same as any DB figure from my box (unless you mean that he's just smaller generally, but that's not an issue as he's not supposed to be human).

I think the issue with 88 was not missing details, but instead details that Mantic promised to add but never did, understand?

However once I got the model in the flesh I loved it, so much that it was the first thing I painted!

My 88 looks awesome, and I was amazing by the details (like his little fingers and such where nkelsch's has a lump I guess). Actually I was a little disappointed with the Enforcer - technically he's beautiful but the pose is very boring.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Okay, so as per recent Dakka rules changes, the KS thread for Dreadball is now archived. So, here's the new thread for it.

Here are the February/March releases for Dreadball which will 100% complete the release of Season 1:

MGE DBM02-1 DreadBall: Rulebook ~ FEB $19.99
MGE DBM11-1 DreadBall: Corporation Keeper ~ MAR $7.99
MGE DBM12-1 DreadBall: Veermyn Keeper ~ MAR $7.99
MGE DBM13-1 DreadBall: Forge Father Keeper ~ MAR $7.99
MGE DBM14-1 DreadBall: Marauder Keeper ~ MAR $7.99
MGE DBM16-1 DreadBall: Corporation Upgrade Pack ~ MAR $12.99
MGE DBM17-1 DreadBall: Forge Father Upgrade Pack ~ MAR $12.99
MGE DBM18-1 DreadBall: Marauder Upgrade Pack ~ MAR $12.99
MGE DBM19-1 DreadBall: Veermyn Upgrade Pack ~ MAR $12.99
MGE DBM38-1 DreadBall: Card Deck ~ MAR $14.99

I posted this on the official Mantic forums and a moderator said that these rekleases are not accurate. GIven that the rulebook and card deck have been released I think it's relatively safe to say we won't see any new model relases until April, which is when we're likely to see season 2.

I'm at Saulte at the end of April so I'm hoping that Mantic have the new goods on show and for sale.

Void Siren Female Corporation...

but instead details that Mantic promised to add but never did, understand?

what details?

Those look great. I love how they turned out.


I do have a sneaky little suspicion that the middle woman is posing in a Sedition Wars booty thrust pose, but at least that makes a little more sense in a bloodsport game where players have to win over the crowd.

They do look really good. Definitely a tie with the male Corp for best-sculpted team.

Great paintjobs too, whoever painted them deserves free cookies.