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These are my first lists for the Woddies, the second one isn't finished as i've no idea what else to put in.

First list:

Lords:

Treeman Ancient, cluster of radiance, annoyance of netlings 375

Heros:

Woodelf Noble, BSB, HoDA, LA, Charmed shield, dragonbane gem, Asyendi's Bane 142
Spellsinger, Life, Level 2, Dispel Scroll 150
Spellsinger, Life, Level 2 125

Core:

13 Glade Guard, Musician 162
13 Glade Guard, Musician 162
13 Glade Guard, Musician, Banner, Banner of Eternal Flame 184
8 Dryads
8 Dryads

Special:

6 Treekin 390
7 Wardancers, musician 133

Rare:

Eagle
Eagle
Treeman

Total 2400 on the nose. Not too sure about this list having no level 4 and not enough banners.

Second list:

Lords:

Spellweaver, Level 4, Dispell Scroll, Life 275

Heros:

Woodelf Noble, BSB, HoDA, LA, Charmed shield, dragonbane gem, Asyendi's Bane 142

Core:

29 Glade Guard, Full command, banner of eternal flame 382
13 Glade Guard, banner, musician 174
13 Glade Guard, banner, musician 174
8 Dryads 96
8 Dryads 96

Special:

6 Treekin 390

Rare:

Treeman
Treeman

Total 2299, this ones got a level 4 and more banners. I like the idea of 2 treemen and 6 treekin to counter charge after the enemy has walked over to me suffering from all those arrows. No idea what to spend the extra 101 points on though, any ideas and which of the lists do you guys like best, i'm looking towards the second one.

Unfortunately you can not have lore of life on spellsingers, only spellweavers


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but otherwise, it seems decent. One suggestion might be to combine two of the glade guard squads and add a banner to it.


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You're on the right track with your second list.

Oh yes, i f'ed up on the first list, completely forgot Spellsinger can only take lore of athel loren. Still working on the second one and still not sure what to add to it.

I do have a question is wood elfs better than dark elfs?

Ok so hows this.

Lord:
Spellweaver, level 4, Lore of Life, Dispell scroll 275

Hero:
Noble, BSB, HoDA, light armour, charmed shield, dragonbane gem, Asyendi's Bane 142

Core:
29 Glade Guard, Full command, banner of eternal flame 382
13 Glade Guard, banner, musician 174
12 Glade Guard, banner, musician 162
8 Dryads 96
8 Dryads 96

Special:
6 Treekin 390
6 Wardancers, musician 115

Rare:
Treeman
Treeman

Took a glade guard off and added in 6 wardancers, Spellweaver goes into small unit of glade guard and nobel in big unit. It comes in at 2402, so still need to get rid of 2 points somewhere.

patrickekirby wrote:
I do have a question is wood elfs better than dark elfs?

Not even close. Wood Elves are pretty much unplayable at the moment, Dark Elves are a very strong book.

With regards to the list, there are a few tweaks I think would help a lot.

I really don't rate Lore of Life in general (unless you're playing completely uncomped), I much prefer Beasts as I find it to be an all-round better lore for Wood Elves, especially in a metagame that revolves around high armoured units that don't care about Dwellers. I'm also a big fan of the Moonstone on the level 4, it's a great little item.

Unless you're playing with a comp pack that specifically allows him to, your BSB is not allowed to take a magic shield.

Taking 29 Glade Guard in a unit is really asking for trouble, it's not a good move at all. Take 10 of those out and run them on their own with a musician. Also, putting your BSB in here may be a bad move- the HoDA has to be fired at the same time as the rest of the unit's shots and it can't be flaming when fired by Asyendi's Bane, so any regen gribblies will get their saves against the HoDA. Sometimes it won't matter if he goes in there, but decided where you characters will go when writing your list is awful.

Unless you're planning on playing the scenarios, you don't need the banners in the small Glade Guard units. Also, other than the flaming unit there's no real benefit to taking more than the minimum 10 in a unit.

Treekin are just a generally bad unit, the same goes for Wardancers. There's no place for them in the game at the moment. I'd strongly suggest dropping both of these units for more Glade Guard and a Noble on an eagle, along with maybe a shooty Highborn.

Treekin are awesome. S5 T5 is really good. Especially with lore of beast.
Making elves S4 T4 is ok.
Making treemen S7 T7 is decent.
Making a whole unit S6 T6 is awesome.

Yes, they do take double wounds from flaming, but with T5 they are taking a lot less wounds to begin with.

-Matt

I think treekin are reasonably solid, either wyssans or flesh to stone will make them pretty tough to crack.

The list looks fun to me, cannons will be your bane though! I agree with tmarichards on the glade guard unit, there's nothing the 30 man unit can do that two smaller ones can't.

I would say bring the level 4 for some greater magic defense that the 2 level 2s, its more economical aswell.

The problem with Treekin isn't that they're easy to wound. It's that they do no damage- WS4 with only 3 attacks and no re-rolls is utter garbage for a 65pt model that has no static combat res. They rely on doing lots of wounds in order to win combats, and they're simply not capable of putting out the damage they need to in order to win combats. This means that they lose to anything with any amount of static combat res.

What Treekin are good at is killing WS3 T3 infantry. However, infantry hasn't been a relevant part of 8th edition since early 2012, the best stuff in the game is cavalry, armour, and monstrous cavalry. Treekin cannot touch these, so if you're playing a competitive metagame then Treekin are garbage.

Of course, if you're playing in area where people insist that infantry is amazing because of Steadfast, then they will do well. But just because something can perform against sub par players and lists doesn't not mean that it's any good.

 tmarichards wrote:
The problem with Treekin isn't that they're easy to wound. It's that they do no damage- WS4 with only 3 attacks and no re-rolls is utter garbage for a 65pt model that has no static combat res. They rely on doing lots of wounds in order to win combats, and they're simply not capable of putting out the damage they need to in order to win combats. This means that they lose to anything with any amount of static combat res.

What Treekin are good at is killing WS3 T3 infantry. However, infantry hasn't been a relevant part of 8th edition since early 2012, the best stuff in the game is cavalry, armour, and monstrous cavalry. Treekin cannot touch these, so if you're playing a competitive metagame then Treekin are garbage.

A unit of 6 gets 18 S5 attacks and 3 S5 stomps, that is no damage?

Infantry not part of the game? You are still playing 8th edition right?


-Matt

Yes, but I tend to play at the very competitive edge which I understand either escapes or simply doesn't appeal to a lot of people (hence the impression that 8th edition is all about infantry, when it hasn't been for over a yeah).