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Well, GW is apparently making supplements to main codex's again. Does one figure this will be like the old 3rd edition "Chapter Approved", where you can change up your entire army due to it? I'd approve of it if they made them again! Bring on back the Blood Axes, The Clan rules for Orks, The Craftworlds for Eldar, other chapters of SM, and hopefully legions of chaos.

Of course it could just be a few minor things with maybe no real changes knowing GW, but hey I like to be optimistic when they at least do something that "Could" be done right.

Yeah. A Chaos Legions book would be huge for CSM. It might allow for more fun and competetive lists rather than spamming Heldrakes. Putting out a book doesn't cost them a lot and would sell a lot more models.

It has potential to be interesting but with the allies rules it seems like anything is already possible.

If they make several of these you can rely that some will be good and some will be complete GAK. Thats just how GW rolls. I hope they do include some meaningful rules and new options or they will just be milking people.

If they are little more than 40k versions of the heraldry books I hope they are rejected by the fans because those are just terrible.

I'm guessing it'll mostly be a FoC rearrangement army list. Probably moving Wraith units around to be more common. Troop Wraithguard standard with Guardians in Elites, less Aspect access, maybe even Wraithlords to Elites to free up Heavy Support for the Wraithknight. Though I'd be shocked if Bonesingers didn't make an appearance in that list only.

Basically a way to field a proper Wraith construct army with as little new kits needed as possible. Then pile in fluff and maybe some unique scenarios.

 -Loki- wrote:
I'm guessing it'll mostly be a FoC rearrangement army list. Probably moving Wraith units around to be more common. Troop Wraithguard standard with Guardians in Elites, less Aspect access, maybe even Wraithlords to Elites to free up Heavy Support for the Wraithknight. Though I'd be shocked if Bonesingers didn't make an appearance in that list only.

Basically a way to field a proper Wraith construct army with as little new kits needed as possible. Then pile in fluff and maybe some unique scenarios.

Actually, I would approve of this, even a minor FoC change is something neat.

I thought the Wraithknights were Elites though?

I think the Iyandan supplement is just going to be a way of selling lots of Wraithknights/guards/lords.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
I'm guessing it'll mostly be a FoC rearrangement army list. Probably moving Wraith units around to be more common. Troop Wraithguard standard with Guardians in Elites, less Aspect access, maybe even Wraithlords to Elites to free up Heavy Support for the Wraithknight. Though I'd be shocked if Bonesingers didn't make an appearance in that list only.

Basically a way to field a proper Wraith construct army with as little new kits needed as possible. Then pile in fluff and maybe some unique scenarios.

Actually, I would approve of this, even a minor FoC change is something neat.

I thought the Wraithknights were Elites though?

I don't know, I was just thinking how they could get more constructs in with Wraithlords in with them in heavy - I thought Knights would be heavy.

Either way, a simple FoC reallocation list is probably what we're seeing. Not that there's anything wrong with that - I'd kill for a Tyranid supplement that did different lists types. Vanguard swarms, seeding swarms, main assault swarms, heavy assault swarms. Just FoC reallocations, maybe with points costs adjustments.


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 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
I think the Iyandan supplement is just going to be a way of selling lots of Wraithknights/guards/lords.

Of course it is. Any supplement or codex is just an excuse for GW to push product. That's what they do. A new codex isn't just released so you've got new rules - it's accompanied by a new wave of miniatures in order to get people buying not only the new stuff, but the existing range as well.

 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
I think the Iyandan supplement is just going to be a way of selling lots of Wraithknights/guards/lords.

And so Sir what is bad about this? If I can go back to running my original eldar all wraith list and GW makes money from selling me more wraith units then I see it as two big positives. Two negatives create a positive not the other way around. The only negative is I will have to cut down on my dinning and bar tab budget.

To the OP I would love to see more of these. They are a great way to diversify the meta.

Of course it is. Any supplement or codex is just an excuse for GW to push product. That's what they do. A new codex isn't just released so you've got new rules - it's accompanied by a new wave of miniatures in order to get people buying not only the new stuff, but the existing range as well.

You'd think if they cared about that, they'd update things properly, have errata, bring back the chapter approved lists and update them..

 ansacs wrote:

 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
I think the Iyandan supplement is just going to be a way of selling lots of Wraithknights/guards/lords.

And so Sir what is bad about this? If I can go back to running my original eldar all wraith list and GW makes money from selling me more wraith units then I see it as two big positives. Two negatives create a positive not the other way around. The only negative is I will have to cut down on my dinning and bar tab budget.

To the OP I would love to see more of these. They are a great way to diversify the meta.

Nothing at all. This i just my speculation at the supplement. Iyandan are famous for Wraith constructs, so I imagine this to be very much focused around the aforementioned units. I'd love to see more supplements.

Supplements, if they become successful, could be good. If they're supported post 6th edition.

For example, a 'Legions' supplement for Codex Chaos Marines. Change the FoC around for each Legion, maybe add a new unit for each of the big 4 Legions, throw in some scenarios, boom. Instant sale to Chaos players, and likely even converting non Chaos players.

The downside is GW have a terrible history of supporting their supplements after an edition change. Just ask people that bought Lost and the Damned armies for the Eye of Terror campaign.

I'd be surprised if it was anything more than a picture book, maybe 1 or 2 pages of "new" rules.

And now the Tau codex suddenly makes a lot more sense: there are no characters with FOC swaps (and few new units) because they've been moved to an additional book you'll have to buy if you want them. Really it's a pretty smart business plan, why make codices with lots of extra information when you can make one with a single basic army list and then charge extra for all the variants?

So if you have played a wraith guard army in 5th, you now have to buy the $98 codex and then a assumed $40-$50 on an extra "supplement" just to play your army.

Why cant they just have it in one book. I mean gk has so much ability to make different lists with force org changes etc.

(NZ prices so dont freak people)

 tuiman wrote:
So if you have played a wraith guard army in 5th, you now have to buy the $98 codex and then a assumed $40-$50 on an extra "supplement" just to play your army.

Nothing yet has suggested that current setups won't work in the new codex without the Iyanden supplement. Think of it like this - Wraithguard might work exactly the same in Codex Eldar, but not require 10 models in the unit to unlock as Troops in an Iyanden list.

Yea sorry, I overreacted. Will wait until I actually see the codex

So long as it does well, we can hope for a trend.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Well, GW is apparently making supplements to main codex's again.

They are? Did I miss a news and rumors thread?


WHAT'S HAPPENING?!

 kronk wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Well, GW is apparently making supplements to main codex's again.

They are? Did I miss a news and rumors thread?


WHAT'S HAPPENING?!

Well one anyways, Iyanden for Eldar.

GW also made the High Elves supplement book. I don't play fantasy, but did that book have anything other than heraldry and fluff? Did it actually include rules?

I'm actually disappointed if this book does contain some additional rules as it basically equates to $100 to own all the rules for an Eldar army. If it does have an army list in it, I can't imagine it being more than 3-4 pages as there would be a lot of 'refer to the Eldar codex for more information'.

The old sub codexes, such as the Black Crusade (IIRC the name) had the Ulthwe Strike Force, which was just a few pages. However, that book wasn't the same price as the Eldar codex.

Fluff books are fine; just keep the rules together in one book is all I'm asking for.

So how do we know this is coming again? I've missed some evidence somewhere... unless this is just rumor/speculation.

But if the extra eldar codex is just FoC change then why wasn't it added in to the main codex with lets say a special HQ that lets you do that. This way people wouldnt have to buy two books.

Makumba wrote:
But if the extra eldar codex is just FoC change then why wasn't it added in to the main codex with lets say a special HQ that lets you do that. This way people wouldnt have to buy two books.

Exactly

 Lobukia wrote:
So how do we know this is coming again? I've missed some evidence somewhere... unless this is just rumor/speculation.

White Dwarf pictures have been posted, and one of them is a new release announcement for the book.

Makumba wrote:
But if the extra eldar codex is just FoC change then why wasn't it added in to the main codex with lets say a special HQ that lets you do that. This way people wouldnt have to buy two books.

But buying two books is the whole point. Why would GW give you something for free when they can make you buy an entire additional book to get it?

 Lobukia wrote:
So how do we know this is coming again? I've missed some evidence somewhere... unless this is just rumor/speculation.

 Peregrine wrote:


But buying two books is the whole point. Why would GW give you something for free when they can make you buy an entire additional book to get it?

Then why did they do it for big factions with large following like IG or Chaos , how do they know that there are going to be enough people to buy 2 eldar books , unless the supplement is ultra OP and everyone will want to play with it.

 Sarigar wrote:
The old sub codexes, such as the Black Crusade (IIRC the name) had the Ulthwe Strike Force, which was just a few pages. However, that book wasn't the same price as the Eldar codex.

Codex: Armeggedon, Codex: Craftworld Eldar, Codex: Eye of Terror, Codex: Blood Angels, Codex: Dark Angels.

I think those were all of the older mini-dexes.

Arm had: Speed Freek Orks, Steel Legion, Salamanders and Black Templars

EoT had: Eldar Ulthwe Strike Force, Lost and the Damned, Cadians and Space Wolves 13th Company.

Makumba wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:


But buying two books is the whole point. Why would GW give you something for free when they can make you buy an entire additional book to get it?

Then why did they do it for big factions with large following like IG or Chaos , how do they know that there are going to be enough people to buy 2 eldar books , unless the supplement is ultra OP and everyone will want to play with it.

Or it was just a good time to release the Iyanden supplement - most of the Eldar release concerns Iyanden. Spiritseers, Wraithguard, Wraithknight. There could very well be a Biel Tan supplement waiting for GW to get production started on plastic Aspect Warriors. There could be a Legions supplement for Chaos waiting for them to get updated Cult squads into production. There could be a Kroot Mercenary supplement for Tau Empire in production waiting for some Kroot stuff to go into production.

All we know right now is GW are brining back alternative lists, and the first is Iyanden, and it's being released alongside the Eldar codex. Which is probably because it is, again, the perfect time, since most of the Eldar release is thematically Iyanden stuff.

Makumba wrote:
Then why did they do it for big factions with large following like IG or Chaos , how do they know that there are going to be enough people to buy 2 eldar books , unless the supplement is ultra OP and everyone will want to play with it.

It's probably an experiment with their latest idea to fix their sales problems. If the Eldar supplement sells well (or sells at all without reducing codex sales) then future armies won't have the alternate army lists built into the basic book. In fact you can see hints of this in the Tau codex: no FOC swaps, and fewer units than many armies. I could easily see a Farsight supplement, a Shadowsun supplement, a Kroot supplement, etc.

And let's be honest here: is anyone going to be surprised if the Iyanden supplement is extremely powerful and all the competitive players want it?

 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
I think the Iyandan supplement is just going to be a way of selling lots of Wraithknights/guards/lords.

And the start of GW gouging people that want to run elite armies instead of just putting it in their goddamn $60 dexs.