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Gargantuan Gargant





New Bedford, MA USA


DOUBLSIX DICE are 12 sided D6. They roll better, are more difficult to cheat with, and will just look cooler than the other guys D6's when your playing tabletop games.

DOUBLSIX DICE KICKSTARTER LINK

The current sweet spot is the BULK supporter level, which is 70 DICE for $25 delivered in the US.


   
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cornwall

So a D12 with 1-6 printed twice instead of 1-12 then ? Lol wow innovation !

I've got a similar idea for a D2 ..as coins don't roll very well I've invented a 6 sided D2 that has 1-2 on it 3!!! Times .now your even more likely to get that roll you want !
   
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Regular Dakkanaut




England

 adamsouza wrote:

DOUBLSIX DICE are 12 sided D6. They roll better, are more difficult to cheat with DOUBLSIX DICE KICKSTARTER LINK


Is this not fundamentally flawed? Unless you are playing with asshats and/or forcing your opponant to use your dice ten the only person you are stopping cheating is yourself :p



 
   
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Pious Warrior Priest




UK

No idea why this is so popular.

Yeah, they might roll better but d6's roll fine anyway.

Downsides are it'll be a lot easier to get a cocked die and harder to see the pips.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

Depends what you're playing

If it's wargamey you probably have your own dice so they might be a bit of fun but no more

I actually think they also represent a good alternative different colours to roll multiple types of d6 at once (leader/rank and file/different weapon options etc)

If it's more boardgamey you may well be sharing dice then it a bit of fun (with added potential for less asshattery)


 
   
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Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze

I love the idea, but what is needed are 12-sided D4s. D4s, unlike D6s, are easy to not roll and just fall flat. Chessex makes roman numeral 12-sided D4s, but I've been searching for one with numbers on it instead...

Edit: I see lots of folks have suggested the same thing to him! Hopefully, it materializes . And, of course, I've now backed this...

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The Last Chancer Who Survived





Norristown, PA

Yeah I just don't get it either. I guess it's a fun novelty thing though and us gamernerds love custom dice. I like the d4 idea more though.. I always hated D4s, probably because I stepped on one once, and it hurt a lot.

 
   
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UK

 RiTides wrote:
I love the idea, but what is needed are 12-sided D4s. D4s, unlike D6s, are easy to not roll and just fall flat. Chessex makes roman numeral 12-sided D4s, but I've been searching for one with numbers on it instead...

Edit: I see lots of folks have suggested the same thing to him! Hopefully, it materializes . And, of course, I've now backed this...



If you dig through the comments you should see other companies than Chessex mentioner, maybe one of them has normal numbers on?

 
   
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Shadeglass Maze

Koplow apparently makes a 12-sided D4 with pips, which I had missed in my earlier searches! Sold out most places but I managed to find 2 just now

I really hope he adds them or does a second campaign for them, though, as they're pricey otherwise.

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No idea why you'd put this on kickstarter. You need a huge investment to get some 12-sided dice made up with your chosen markings?

Daft. It's like people think they can't have a business unless it starts on kickstarter.

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Toronto, Canada

Most kick starters don't actually need the money as they claim.....

Kickstarter is used as a store 90% of the time to move product that is in the "design" process AKA sitting in boxes in their basement already.

   
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Gargantuan Gargant





New Bedford, MA USA

 Bull0 wrote:
No idea why you'd put this on kickstarter. You need a huge investment to get some 12-sided dice made up with your chosen markings?


Why you ask ?

He's convinced 1,885 people to give him $26,270 to make 12 sided with his chosen markings.

They are paying to make his niche desire a reality, while he profits from it, that's why.


 CURNOW wrote:
So a D12 with 1-6 printed twice instead of 1-12 then ? Lol wow innovation !


It's the peek of 1980's ingenuity !!

I've got a similar idea for a D2 ..as coins don't roll very well I've invented a 6 sided D2 that has 1-2 on it 3!!! Times .now your even more likely to get that roll you want !


You jest, but I have a handfull of D3 (6 sided dice numbered 1-3) that get use.

There is no ground breaking need for Doublesix dice, but the are novelty that anyone who has a use for D6 can use, and witht his kickstarter they are reasonabely priced

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Shadeglass Maze

You actually do need a decent investment for custom D12s- Chessex doesn't make custom ones, unlike most others shapes. This is perfect for KS, imo!
   
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Pious Warrior Priest




UK

Yeah, if it isn't a d6, it is quite expensive to customize, at least that's the reason Mantic gave for no custom d8's in their kickstarters.

Does seem like a decent idea for board games, at least.

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Gargantuan Gargant





New Bedford, MA USA

Doublesix Dice size will likely be 19mm face-to-face

Black with white pips and Red with either black/white pis to be the first two colors.

Discussion of Blue as the third color and limited edition, kickstarter only, green dice as well.


   
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UK

 adamsouza wrote:
 Bull0 wrote:
No idea why you'd put this on kickstarter. You need a huge investment to get some 12-sided dice made up with your chosen markings?


Why you ask ?

He's convinced 1,885 people to give him $26,270 to make 12 sided with his chosen markings.

They are paying to make his niche desire a reality, while he profits from it, that's why.



I ask because by going the kickstarter route you immediately dump a percentage of your takings straight to kickstarter, so it seems really dumb.

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He mentioned doing a poll to see if a D(3x4) design would be popular enough for a Kickstarter. I think, and hope, it would be... I'd be in for a lot!

I picked up 2 of the Koplow 12-sided D4s, and man they are gigantic . But they work, and roll so much better (and I think more randomly due to not being able to be "dropped" flat) than the traditionally pyramid-shaped D4.


 Bull0 wrote:
I ask because by going the kickstarter route you immediately dump a percentage of your takings straight to kickstarter

You also get their name and a chance to raise funds upfront for a project, which help offset the percentage.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

 Bull0 wrote:
 adamsouza wrote:
 Bull0 wrote:
No idea why you'd put this on kickstarter. You need a huge investment to get some 12-sided dice made up with your chosen markings?


Why you ask ?

He's convinced 1,885 people to give him $26,270 to make 12 sided with his chosen markings.

They are paying to make his niche desire a reality, while he profits from it, that's why.



I ask because by going the kickstarter route you immediately dump a percentage of your takings straight to kickstarter, so it seems really dumb.


If you don't use KS you have to order the dice with your own money, then sell them which may take a long, long time without shelling out more cash in advertising

Going via KS does cost you 10% or so, but it means no bank loans, no interest payments, and KS takes care of the advertising.....

For a new start up KS is the smart choice (if you're already active in your chosen field it might be, but it's a lot less sure)

 
   
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UK

They'll need a separate site to handle fulfilment anyway, as I recall Kickstarter isn't a fully featured storefront (might've got better since I used it last). So, he's benefiting purely in being able to (effectively) sell preorders - people did do that before Kickstarter arrived on the scene. Yeah, you get your project on Kickstarter, but there are a ton of other projects on Kickstarter - you still need to do a ton of promotion to make it work.

10% seems like a LOT to me. I'd have thought it could all be done for cheaper.

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It's a fair point, Bull0... but if you figure out how to do it effectively, you should probably let all these companies jumping on the KS bandwagon know

Basically, Kickstarter gives you a low- to no-risk (to the creator) way of launching an idea, and massive publicity. If it fails to fund, you're not stuck with the bill.

Of course they're going to charge a fee for that... just look at similar projects on the IndieGoGo platform, which charges a lower fee, and how much less they tend to raise as an example of why it's worth it to use KS for many companies.
   
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Oh yeah, and I think Kickstarter is awesome for ambitious projects that aren't going to happen any other way. I love kickstarter for that, and have backed about half a dozen projects.

But if there's another way you can go... take it, because 10% is a fat amount to write off on day 1 of your business plan. I didn't mean to drag us off topic with this, but I do worry that some companies might be screwing themselves over a bit by defaulting to Kickstarter for their projects, and I'd hate for the quality of the products we're all getting to suffer as a result.

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Gargantuan Gargant





New Bedford, MA USA

Bull0 I think you concentrating on the finger pointing at the moon and missing all of the Celestrial glory.

What's 10% off a retail price, payed to you before you even manufature the product, interest free, when your used to taking all the financial risk and selling product at wholesale ?


   
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UK

 adamsouza wrote:
Bull0 I think you concentrating on the finger pointing at the moon and missing all of the Celestrial glory.

What's 10% off a retail price, payed to you before you even manufature the product, interest free, when your used to taking all the financial risk and selling product at wholesale ?



Which kinda brings me back to my original point, which was missed - are the startup costs for this really so large that it was necessary to seek investment, and in so doing give up 10% of the profits straight off the bat? We're talking about getting some dice printed. Somehow I doubt it. For the right project, it's a godsend.

Like I said, we've probably covered it now, and I'm not trying to antagonize anyone, I'm just weary of seeing people go straight to KS all the time.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

For those in the USA probably the most usual go-to dice maker is Chessex who will make custo dice, but it is expensive

Pricing:

10-25 dice: $1.00 per side
26-99 dice: $0.75 per side
100-199 dice: $0.60 per side
200-499 dice: $0.50 per side
500-999 dice: $0.42 per side
1000+: please ask for quotes

so even if you did get a great deal for 1000+ (eg $0.30) you're still looking at $3.60 each for custom d12s

so if you're looking at selling the dice on the only real option is to go to having a mould made

and you're clearly not looking to antagonise anybody..

the only reason I know about how expensive custom dice (other than d6s) are is I looked into it when Mierce were unable to do the faction d10's on their first KS as they'd have cost far too much, so I dug into it and they were right

 
   
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They are having the dice made in China and I believe need to hit a target of 10,000 dice to have a run made. So... yes, they needed initial investment... and obviously chose to raise it via Kickstarter. Giving up 10%, but getting wide exposure, so it's a tradeoff... I think the point is pretty well covered now.
   
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Looks like he'll be adding D3x4 dice (12-sided D4 dice, with 1-4 repeated 3 times)... which is really sweet for me! I'll be ordering a ton of them for a project I'm working on

Also $10 for a "random roll" gets you a ton of dice with the stretch goals now. And $25 gets you 50 dice guaranteed, plus all the stretch goal dice, which is a lot more. Pretty great deal for a "bucket o' dice"!

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Gargantuan Gargant





New Bedford, MA USA

The pledge manager is up and running !!

I opted in for another $25 for 48 of the d4's, before actually realising they were d4's an not d6's

Remember kids, don't pledge at 3am, sleep on it and plede while wide awake.

   
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UK



The Backerkit is now open for pre-orders too

so if you didn't do the KS, but fancy some 12 sided d6 and d4s have a look

https://doublesix-dice-roll-better.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders/

 
   
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New Bedford, MA USA

This about sums it up

   
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RiTides wrote:I love the idea, but what is needed are 12-sided D4s. D4s, unlike D6s, are easy to not roll and just fall flat. Chessex makes roman numeral 12-sided D4s, but I've been searching for one with numbers on it instead...


Why not an 8-sided D4?

I'm sooo, sooo sorry.

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