mazamune wrote:I have 4 list ideas need to have them ready in a month or so.
First list is Kallus T3:
Kallus +5
Scythean 9
Angelius 9
Raek 4
Full Legionnaires+
UA 9
Full Swordsmen+
UA 10
Full Legionnaires 6
Full Swordsmen 7
Spell Martyr 1
Second list is Absylonia:
Absylonia +5
Succubus 2
Angelius 9
Scythean 9
Seraph 8
Seraph 8
Reak 4
Forsaken 2
Forsaken 2
Full Raptor 10
Striders+
UA 9
Third list is Searyn:
Saeryn +5
Angelius 9
Scythean 9
Seraph 8
Raek 4
Annyssa 4
Shepherd 1
Shepherd 1
Full Raptor 10
Strider+
UA 9
Fourth list is eVayl T4:
eVayl +6
Succubus 2
Scythean 8
Scythean 8
Angelius 8
Seraph 7
Harrier 2
Raek 4
Shepherd 1
Shepherd 1
Spell Martyr 1
Spell Martyr 1
Spell Martyr 1
Full Spawning Vessel 3
Full Legionnaires+
UA 9
Need to take 2 lists and make sure they are effective so a few play tests will be needed. Anything I should change and which 2 i should take please comment.
None of your lists are bad, but I do have recommendations to alter each of them up a bit due to what I see as wasted point expendentures.
eVayl should definately be one of your pairings. Saeryn and Kallus both match well with her since they are attrition casters. Many pair eVayl and Saeryn together and overall I feel its a strong match but neither deals with armor cracking very well. Kallus has both a mat and
DMG buff and plays a very different game compared to our other casters being more infintry centric.
So here is how I'd change your lists and why:
eVayl's tier list is very strong. Everyone plays it and when you're talking about a free 5-6pt swing plus all of the other great benefits you really can't go wrong. Your list feels a lot more melee oriented, which in my opinion is a mistake. Many control casters (which many are popular) will dominate this list due to things like time-bomb like feats/abilities, no charges, crippling grasp, breath stealer, pop and drop, etc. Another problem is infintry spam is a thing, and being able to clear a lane for your heavies is very difficult without ranged support due to things like tough. The reason many go with JVM's list is because it has both ranged and melee elements that work in tandem with one another. Double Ravagore, Double Angel and a Scythean tends to be the primary build with the rest of the list to support that combo. It's a lethal combo because its very ranged attrition along with refuging dual angels who Boost
AP hits into the heavy targets and are able to move back away from most enemy threat ranges. Also, eVayl doesn't really need some things in her lists generally. The Succubus is great, and helpful, but with 8 fury she can do without it. The Lego's are there to feed the pot and jam up the enemy so they can't get to your heavies. Although the
UA is good, for 3 pts. it needs to really pull its weight on the field in order to be worth the pts, and I personally never feel it does without some buff from the caster to put on top of it such as with Kallus, p/
eThagrosh, or even Ashen Veil from Bethayne. The raek is a great beast but I'm not sure it needs to be in the list unless you have a specific use for it. My last suggestion would be to remove at least 1 or 2 spell martyrs since she has the orraculus and can make almost any target an arc node. Its good to have one for far reaching or special cases but 3 is waaay too many. So thats 2+3+4+2+7 = 18pts of fat cut from the list (Seraph, 2martyrs, raek, succubus, Lego
UA). With those points, I'd add in another Angel to get your hot swapping refuge game going. Then add in a Ravagore and upgrade one of the other Scytheans to another Ravagore.
eVayl +6
Ravagore 9
Ravagore 9
Scythean 8
Angelius 8
Angelius 8
Harrier 2
Shepherd 1
Shepherd 1
Spell Martyr 1
Full Spawning Vessel 3
Full Legionnaires 6
If you still want the long range charges with the Seraph, you can always drop a Ravagore down to a Seraph and add the Succubus back in or any other 2 pts of you choice. This is only my opinion on the caster and results may vary. Its ultimately up to you to try and use what works for you. I love this list and play it often and its a ton of fun. It doesn't hurt that it has a strong assassination in the bag should things go south.
Now on to Kallus:
I enjoy playing Kallus, he's a ton of fun, but if you're taking him as your armor cracker, you need to prep him that way. Currently you have plenty of melee threats but nothing to entice your enemy to push into your lines. There's no reason other than scenario for pressure and the units you've chosen do not run fast enough to really flood the zones before things like Satyxis Raiders, Blood trackers, and other
Spd 7+ troops. So to fix the problem, I look at two different options. One is fast infintry of my own to jam and the other is ranged support. His feat is great and really helps hold zones, and he loves having lots of bodies to fuel it, but he also needs elements in his list that do work and Lego's are not workers per se. To get more from a single unit, I'd recommend running them +
UA and the Pot. Its 12pts (same cost) but is very sturdy with his ability to add in +2 arm while being engaged, their mini feat making them
ARM 22 and when they die, they fuel the POT generating lessers. Pop out a Shredder first to give Kallus access to Tenacity as he wants to be up the board, but can't really take too many hits. Also, you're going to want to camp 2 fury every turn at least to keep him alive, so the succubus makes that possible as it enables him a free animus and upkeeps Ignite for free. With him casting Dark Guidance for 4, it'll leave you 2 to camp. Now for armor cracking I'd recommend the Warspears+
UA. They hit like a freight train with ignite+Prey up and can level most heavies. As a side note on Kallus: Dark Guidance is amazing, but for 4 fury, it can be a trap. With the Succubus upkeeping Ignite for free, it might serve you better to hot swap ignite on another target some turns to get more damage output on the field and occasionally his AOE attack is pretty strong as well, which is what I'd save the Martyr for.
Kallus +5
Scythean 9
Ravagore 10
Succubus 2
Full Legionnaires+
UA 9
Full Swordsmen+
UA 11
Full Warspears+
UA 10
Spawning Vessel 3
Spell Martyr 1
Alternately you could drop the
UA for the swordsmen since they do not have reach it is difficult to get use out of cleave even with overtake and its 3points. You can run the list I run which looks like this:
Kallus +5
Ravagore 10
Ravagore 10
Succubus 2
Full Legionnaires+
UA 9
Full Swordsmen 8
Full Warspears+
UA 10
Spawning Vessel 3
Spell Martyr 1
Shepherd 1
Swamp Gobbers 1
Hope this helps or at least has you thinking about how the casters work. By all means run what you like (this is just how I run them) and see what works for you.
