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Hi , this is a project I've wanted to do a long time, and now I actually have a white metal spincasting machine I've been getting the ball rolling by seeking out decent sculptors and right now - commissioning some concept art as me and a sculptor kick about ideas.

What I wanted to do was a set of civilians for Warhammer 40k, fleeing with possessions and children, or cowering/hiding from horrific invaders - nobles, scribes, menials, foundry workers etc - I was inspired by the evacuation scenes of the Hive in the Gaunts Ghosts novel (?).
This then got me to thinking, as they're civilians they wont be carrying lasweapons etc, and they don't necessarily need to have bionics - so if they just had robes, jerkins, quilted jackets, pants etc, they could be used as fleeing civilians for fantasy or 40k.

The idea is they could be used as objective markers for imperial forces (or, hey, even evil forces still fight over the right to grab slaves right) - or just as nice pieces to paint up for vignettes and dioramas.

I have a budget put aside for this, so the initial minis will be the best sculpts I can get. not many people do a good job of sculpting female faces, let alone getting the right sense of motion/chaos/ fear into the figures, so I will be getting the best sculptors I can afford to do the first few - to this end I would probably run a Kickstarter once I have some initial artwork and one or two greens to show for it, so that I can afford to get a complete set done up.

Would you be interested? More importantly would you pledge to a Kickstarter? What would you like to see in such a set?

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I like the idea but I'd like to see some execution too. Many of the battles detailed in the fluff involve large amounts of civilians fleeing the scene. Would make for some very interesting objectives/unique rules to set up for your games. Any concept art in progress/commissioned yet?
   
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How about just generic scifi civilians with the 40K particular clothing?

Not just fleeing, by the way....

maybe some just standing around, others just with a toolbox, or a dataslate or just even standing and sitting around. I'd have numerous uses for such sculpts.

Do you have samples of your work?



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Sci-fi civilians would be great. 40K-specific civilians would be a waste. If you could do a set that would be applicable to a bunch of games, you'd sell a lot more. Infinity, in particular, has a lot of players who could use civilians. Malifaux could also use civilians, although they wouldn't cross over well with either 40K or Fantasy.

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I think something like this would appeal to the necromunda type crowd as well.

Color me interested.

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You might get something for the 40k-themed civilians, as that would be fairly novel.

There are lots of 'fantasy' in the form of historical miniatures though, from a variety of different manufacturers, so I'm not sure how you would create something that is distinctly new and could distance itself from those models.

Of course, another option might be to introduce alien/non-human civilians - eldar/elf, orcs, dwarfs etc. which I don't think have been in very much volume at all.

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Id be down for this, sounds like a pretty sweet idea. Especially for Necromunda, where civilians really belong!

[quote=Pacific 588815 6705506 e656229c4c452f68f970a6fc22ecb619.pngOf course, another option might be to introduce alien/non-human civilians - eldar/elf, orcs, dwarfs etc. which I don't think have been in very much volume at all.


I have a hard time imagining Ork civilians running away from fights

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Depends how you rank the background formulated across the two first edition books, which describe Ork Kulture and society in remarkable clarity, against Gav Thorpe's "mushrooms that plop out of the ground, pick up a gun and run screaming at the enemy until they or the enemy are dead" revision.


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I'd also think about the possibilities of civilian figures that can be converted for use as Inquisition warbands....

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 Pacific wrote:
Depends how you rank the background formulated across the two first edition books, which describe Ork Kulture and society in remarkable clarity, against Gav Thorpe's "mushrooms that plop out of the ground, pick up a gun and run screaming at the enemy until they or the enemy are dead" revision.


Aha that I did not know?

I never liked the idea of mushroom Orks anyway, just felt a little... weird

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 Grot 6 wrote:
How about just generic scifi civilians with the 40K particular clothing?

Not just fleeing, by the way....

maybe some just standing around, others just with a toolbox, or a dataslate or just even standing and sitting around. I'd have numerous uses for such sculpts.

Do you have samples of your work?


If the small set of fleeing civvies was popular, I might do a set of 'townsfolk' that could be used in necromunda or post apoc settings - an arms dealer, mechanic, a backstreet doctor, barman, bouncer, wench etc

As for samples, Ive just started - I worked for another guy for ages as a weekend job, and bought my own equipment just over a month or so ago which I've been fixing up. Although Ive done the odd cast for friends since, nothing particularly to show. These will be the first minis I make that are actually 'mine' as opposed to me casting for someone else. Also I dont sculpt - I can sculpt, but not to a quality that I'd want to sell. I'd rather pay one of the extremely talented sculptors out there with the money I've put aside to get this off the ground.




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Sci-fi civilians would be great. 40K-specific civilians would be a waste. If you could do a set that would be applicable to a bunch of games, you'd sell a lot more. Infinity, in particular, has a lot of players who could use civilians. Malifaux could also use civilians, although they wouldn't cross over well with either 40K or Fantasy.


I was not aware that infinity was the same scale! Thanks for pointing that out. We probably are looking at going the way of having quite generic clothing and outfits - at this point I'm debating whether to give any of them bionics, or just make the stuff they're carrying/have on their person look hi-tech.


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Also I am still open to offers from interested sculptors who can give me a quote and show examples of work - right now Im just going over ideas and sketches - nothing has been started sculpted at this stage. I'll have first proper art in a few weeks top.

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 RedfeatherCasting wrote:
I was not aware that infinity was the same scale! Thanks for pointing that out. We probably are looking at going the way of having quite generic clothing and outfits - at this point I'm debating whether to give any of them bionics, or just make the stuff they're carrying/have on their person look hi-tech.


Infinity is more realistically proportioned than 40K (smaller hands and feet, etc.), but height-wise, they're pretty close. The bigger challenge would be finding an aesthetic that works for both.

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I'm into it.

I could see a look into Imperial citizenry being fantastic.
   
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I could see a use for a few Imperial citizens- not necessarily running away(although that would be neat), but idling standing around, fearfully/sneakily peering around corners, or even crouched low to the ground.

If you do anything- make a young child/toddler belly on the ground(as if they had stumbled or tripped), with an outstretched hand, and an expression as if calling after Mommy! Auto-buy for me. An objective worth fighting for.

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I'd be all over a kickstarter of generic 40k civilians doing various things.

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 Sinful Hero wrote:
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If you do anything- make a young child/toddler belly on the ground(as if they had stumbled or tripped), with an outstretched hand, and an expression as if calling after Mommy! Auto-buy for me. An objective worth fighting for.


That comment made my day , great one man I would purchase that as well XD!

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Definitely be interested. Whether my interest was sufficient to result in you getting my money would depend on how high the quality to cost ratio was. The better looking they are, and the cheaper they are, the more likely I am to spend money on them.

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 Guildsman wrote:
 RedfeatherCasting wrote:
I was not aware that infinity was the same scale! Thanks for pointing that out. We probably are looking at going the way of having quite generic clothing and outfits - at this point I'm debating whether to give any of them bionics, or just make the stuff they're carrying/have on their person look hi-tech.


Infinity is more realistically proportioned than 40K (smaller hands and feet, etc.), but height-wise, they're pretty close. The bigger challenge would be finding an aesthetic that works for both.


Most of the Infinity range makes even the Eldar/Dark Eldar miniatures look like prop-forwards by comparison.
As for putting them next to recognisably human miniatures (Cadian or Catachan etc.), probably not a good idea.

They are at completely opposite ends of the proportion scale, to the point where arguably they don't scale next to each other at all. Think you would have to be very careful with any combined-miniature force.

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I would also be interested in generic (not necessarily fleeing) 40k civilians, esp. if you add some with pointed ears or without a nose.
Depends on the quality of sculpts of course.

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I am intrigued with this idea. Fleeing or not (or both).

What exactly would a 40k civilian look like, though? I can picture a WHFB civilian; as they are presumably peasants.



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 Ouze wrote:
I am intrigued with this idea. Fleeing or not (or both).

What exactly would a 40k civilian look like, though? I can picture a WHFB civilian; as they are presumably peasants.


Pretty similiar, but with bionics/techy looking stuff on - after all it is a futuristic dark ages!

Its been established that most imperial citizens live lives of mindless endless drudgery to fuel the imperiums two main functions: war and bureaucracy - so simple practical outfits depending on whether they have an administration or manufacturing job - serf style robes, thick aprons/gloves/protective gear - ever seen those third world factories where the workers can barely afford clothes yet they still have modern gear for welding or forging? That kind of disparity between high tech and low tech. Also the odd noble/scum in there to represent the two other classes of society (above and below). I can sketch outfits till the cows come home, I just cant draw dynamic human figures! I'll try and scan something later as Im intending to buy a new printer/scanner today.

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If they were reasonably priced and good sculpts, I'd be in for ten or twenty 40k civilians. A mix of fleeing and daily life versions would be good.

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 Sinful Hero wrote:
If you do anything- make a young child/toddler belly on the ground(as if they had stumbled or tripped), with an outstretched hand, and an expression as if calling after Mommy! Auto-buy for me. An objective worth fighting for.

Also, Kid Kyoto has a great article on civilian life with a bunch of great images. I'd really like to have a miniature of the fat noble (whose style kinda reminds me of the B5 Centauri).

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I'm intrigued. Question thoe: would metal be the master sculpts? Or would you sell them as plastic/resin?
Also, I think a small child cowering would be amazing for a salamander base. Thesalamander standing with a small child clutching his leg would be absolutely marvellous.
As for bionics, only on nobels. I mean, where is a common man going tO get a robotic arm?
Another great salamanders one would be one sculpted to fit the groove of the common gun arm, so that you could Have it the salamander holding the
Child, classic hero style.
Wow I just sounded pedo.

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A guy in my gaming group has been converting really Blanche-esque 40k civilians, and we played a Necromunda mission that took place in a crowded marketplace. It was a really thematic addition to have standers by running around and trying not to die while our gangs shot the crap out of each other. I'd be in for things like that.

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This sounds like a great idea and I'd definitely be interested in both 40k inspired and generic sci-fi civilians.
   
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BTW I don't think that civilian miniatures fitting into a medieval setting would have customers among 40k gamers, both settings require different looks to sell.

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 Brother SRM wrote:
A guy in my gaming group has been converting really Blanche-esque 40k civilians, and we played a Necromunda mission that took place in a crowded marketplace. It was a really thematic addition to have standers by running around and trying not to die while our gangs shot the crap out of each other. I'd be in for things like that.


I actually wrote some house rules for using civilians in standard Necromunda missions and they worked out pretty well!

Having some civilian models might be nice as a base to make some pretty sweet ordinary looking cultist models.

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I'd be interested in sci-fi civvies, I have enough trouble converting military troops, to start making non-combatants...

Some fantasy-type civilians would be nice as well, please!


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I'm intrigued. Question thoe: would metal be the master sculpts? Or would you sell them as plastic/resin?
Also, I think a small child cowering would be amazing for a salamander base. Thesalamander standing with a small child clutching his leg would be absolutely marvellous.
As for bionics, only on nobels. I mean, where is a common man going tO get a robotic arm?
Another great salamanders one would be one sculpted to fit the groove of the common gun arm, so that you could Have it the salamander holding the
Child, classic hero style.
Wow I just sounded pedo.


No, just imaginitive

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The problem for 'fantasy' style civilians is that, unless they are mounted on flying ostriches or some such like, they are essentially just slightly more stylised historical miniatures - and there are tons of those out there and available already.

Just from a quick search, there are no doubt many more:

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/civilians-18th-century-and-ancients/civilian-best-sellers-collection-bcciv002/
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/civilians-18th-century-and-ancients/ancient-civilians-collection-bcciv003/
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/civilians-18th-century-and-ancients/18th-century-civilians-collection-bcciv001/
http://www.warlordgames.com/new-roman-civilians/
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?products_id=1558
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?products_id=1742

On the other hand, there are far fewer science-fiction civilians - there are some ranges from the likes of Hasslefree and Antenociti, but many of those don't really have an aesthetic that matches 40k. Therefore, I think if you want to appeal to the greatest possible market (and have the least competition), 40k-styled civilians, including the alien species, is the way to go. WFB just has far less of a demarcation between its own style and the large amount of miniatures already on the market.

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I've never bought fleeing civilians, but I have bought unique looking civilians to use as objectives. Like a scientist with a briefcase, for example.

The idea of moving a bunch of models around who are just fleeing doesn't work for me, I just wouldn't play the scenario.
   
 
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