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2014/04/13 15:58:44
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Provided the rules are for a character that has been scrapped in the current codex, that is. So no using an older Eldrad Ulthran and his points cost / rules instead of the current one. That of course is a no-no.
But say I wanted to play Eldar using Iyanna Ariennal from the pre-pre Eldar codex. Or a Tau army with Anghkor Prok. Or, as recent events have dictated, an Astra Militarum army featuring characters like Marbo, Bastonne, Kamir, Chenkov etc.
Would you be okay with it if a player asked for permission or would you say that using entries from various editions of the army codex opens up a can of worms and thus not to be encouraged?
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/04/13 16:18:06
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2014/04/13 15:59:51
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Bounding Assault Marine
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depends. Tournament? no. fun and friendly? hell yes, bring it!
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you automatically lose points for using the trite gamer-isms: balanced, meta, Mat Ward, etc. |
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2014/04/13 16:13:47
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
My secret fortress at the base of the volcano!
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I wouldn't let someone use an older, discontinued character in a newer army list (as there may be unforeseen exploits due to the peculiarities of mixing older and newer rules). I *would* let someone use an entire older list along with their older character. If you want to use Col Schaeffer, you're going to have to pull your whole list from the 4th ed IG codex. If you want to use one of those Tyranid SCs who got dropped? Break out your older Tyranid codex and use that to write up your whole army.
Actually, given how poorly received the new 'Nids codex has been, there may be a few Tyranid players who would happily choose that option...
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Emperor's Eagles (undergoing Chapter reorganization)
Caledonian 95th (undergoing regimental reorganization)
Thousands Sons (undergoing Warband re--- wait, are any of my 40K armies playable?) |
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2014/04/13 16:17:02
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows
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No. They can use the current codex like the rest of us.
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2014/04/13 16:19:13
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Bounding Assault Marine
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guess there's no "for fun" games anymore?
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you automatically lose points for using the trite gamer-isms: balanced, meta, Mat Ward, etc. |
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2014/04/13 16:19:22
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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I don't have a problem with people using older rules as long as it's not because there was something obviously broken in them they are trying to exploit. I wouldn't let them mix old and new though unless it was just for ***** and giggles, if you want the new benefits you have to live with the new restrictions.
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2014/04/13 16:19:54
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
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Why not just use a female Farseer model with the normal rules and call her Iyanna? Why not use Aun'shi and call him Anghkor Prok?
Do you really need GW's outdated representation of someone you want to use in a battle?
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"The Emporer is a rouge trader."
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2014/04/13 16:23:49
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Because Angkor Prok is a Kroot lol
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2014/04/13 16:26:19
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows
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Playing by the rules is not fun?
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2014/04/13 16:27:41
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Morphing Obliterator
Elsewhere
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Yes
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āYour warriors will stand down and withdraw, Curze. That is an order, not a request. (ā¦) When this campaign is won, you and I will have wordsā
Rogal Dorn, just before taking the beating of his life.
from The Dark King, by Graham McNeill.
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2014/04/13 16:29:03
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Bounding Assault Marine
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again, for a tournament list? no. but if I'm at my buddy's house and we want to reenact a old scenario with an un-updated character, sure, why not?
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you automatically lose points for using the trite gamer-isms: balanced, meta, Mat Ward, etc. |
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2014/04/13 16:31:49
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Jovial Junkatrukk Driver
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No. Too much shenanigans involved in using 2 or more codexes at once.
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motyak wrote:[...] Yes, the mods are illuminati, and yakface, lego and dakka dakka itself are the 3 points of the triangle. |
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2014/04/13 16:45:31
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Can a reasonable version of the character be made with the current rules? Just because you loose some special rules doesn't mean you can't use the mini.
In a friendly game, not a problem. But I would like to be involved in the updating of the rules to fit the current version. A lot of things are fine mechanically, but would require points updated and modern translations to fit.
For non tournament play I'll rarely refuse a reasonable request. The trick is to keep things within the bounds of reason.
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2014/04/13 17:22:15
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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For a friendly narrative game? Of course!
For a competitive game? Nope.
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2014/04/13 17:35:05
Subject: Re:Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Definitely. My friend's 'thing' was to always take Marbo and Al'rahmen. More than happy to let him take both with the new dex. If they came back in a dataslate I think it would be wrong to expect him to pay money just for the [probably] cut and pasted rules.
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2014/04/13 18:01:59
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I have absolutely no problems with people using special characters from out of date codexes in "fun" games. Obviously if the rules in question are really old we might have to rework some things but that's no problem, just read the fluff and workout which special rules fit best.
In a tournament setting I would have to object because of the potential rules problems but I don't play competitively so I doubt that will ever come up.
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2014/04/13 18:09:52
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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I'd be all for it. Hell, I'd let you play a whole codex that wasn't current. This is a game for fun, after all.
As long as you're playing fairly and are a decent chap about it, anything goes as far as I'm concerned.
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2014/04/13 18:14:04
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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Friendly, why not, rules can be agreed, n if its broke for some reason, another time just edit it a bit n you have things back in valence.
Not always comes down to exact rules, n exact 100% legal armies when you just having fun
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all. |
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2014/04/13 19:27:28
Subject: Re:Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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It's a great thing for "Forging a Narrativeā¢"
The only problem is you are likely to get a lot of "Whinging and Moaningā¢" from other players.
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2014/04/13 19:33:35
Subject: Re:Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Brigadier General
The new Sick Man of Europe
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Depends on the quality of their rules.
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DC:90+S+G++MB++I--Pww211+D++A++/fWD390R++T(F)DM+
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2014/04/13 20:12:38
Subject: Re:Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Nope. I might let people use an older codex in a friendly game, but no mixing and matching.
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2014/04/13 20:59:46
Subject: Re:Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
Czech Republic
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Friendly game? Of course, have fun. Unless its too much cheese
Otherwise? Nope.
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Being optimisticĀ“s worthless if it means ignoring the suffering of this world. Worse than worthless. ItĀ“s bloody evil.
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2014/04/13 21:11:16
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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I think the OP should've stated whether he means competitive play or random fun games, as those are much different things.
And of course I vote no for competitive play. When it comes to fun games with friends.. I might be okay with that as long as it's not clearly used just to exploit something in combination with the new Codex.
As for using particular 'missing' characters, I pretty much think the same way as Thud here. Why not use those old, discontinued models as actual generic characters? If you've always loved, say, Marbo, why not use the mini as a sergeant or warlord instead? Of course it's not the same without the special rules, but if it's officially cut from the Codex, you have to accept it. Either that or ask your friend if you can use it for nostalgia reasons.
Then again Marbo ain't such a good example given the fact that he'll most likely be back in a Catachan Supplement or as a Dataslate.
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2014/04/13 23:15:53
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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No, Marbo is gone for good.
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2014/04/13 23:25:53
Subject: Re:Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Hoary Long Fang with Lascannon
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Since for tournaments its a definite no we're talking friendlies. Marbo was fine before. Marbo would be fine now. If my opponent asks i'd allow it. If he tries to apply the old faq that buffed him to ap2 i wouldnt. You cant have the cake and eat it. Tbh its easier to just use what you have current rules for except for narrative/campaign play.
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2014/04/13 23:48:56
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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For me I'd say yes I think my only limits would be If the character was removed completely and if so to use the most recent rules available. Makes it more fun and friendly for casual games.
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2014/04/14 00:32:47
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
The Ruins of the Boston Commonwealth
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Sure! I don't play competitively so that's not an issue.
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2014/04/14 00:36:48
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Bounding Assault Marine
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After hearing all this marbo love, I would be happy to let someone still field him for fun.
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"Can we stop saying CCSM and CSM to just say CSM and SM? I mean really, don't we already know they have a codex? Plus my colon key is broken." |
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2014/04/14 01:23:14
Subject: Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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I'll play Codex: Chaos Space Marines, but will be bringing a couple lash princes from last edition to make sure your guys are all lined up for my templates Automatically Appended Next Post: Clarification: Only in friendly games, aka games with people I know and trust. Under any other circumstances - Nope.
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War does not determine who is right - only who is left. |
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2014/04/14 07:33:33
Subject: Re:Would you let opponents use Characters from outdated Codexes?
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Krazed Killa Kan
Minnesota, land of 10,000 Lakes and 10,000,000,000 Mosquitos
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So long as it's a friendly game, by all means. Even if there are shenanigans between old rules and new rules, I'll be glad to have a laugh about it and enjoy the game. I have my doubts that any old character who's been written out of the game is really going to break the game any more than any modern codex combination.
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