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Since there is a possibly I might get the the Revenger and the Crusader from a trade, I was thinking to converting them into the Menoth character Jacks. I know for the Revenger I am going to make him into the Blessing of Vengeance since I have pSeverius and he can use his buddy jack, but for the Crusader, which one of the character heavies off that chassis the best out of them?

And I plan to get the cards for them once I get the model, and the parts if need be. But in that case, can I pull it off to some good degree like this?

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I don't like PP plastics in general. The revenger is particularly "Meh".

Anyway, you've got the following options for a Crusader-based character:

-Fires of Salvation
-Blood of Martyrs
-Scourge of Heresy

The latter two are sold as a upgrade kits, and wouldn't really be a conversion per se. The fires would be a relatively easy conversion, as you'd just need to add scrolls, fancy shoulders and fire coming out of the mace. The scourge needs the full Crusader/Vanquisher/Templar kit though, not just the crusader.

The Blood of Martyrs is kind of a niche piece and probably not terribly useful outside of Thrya lists.

The Scourge of Heresy is kind crappy, as it's a slow non-reach 'Jack that's paying for tons of conditional overkill damage output it has no way to deliver.

The Fires of Salvation is a solid 'Jack, that can do well without choir support in infantry-heavy lists. It also plays nice as another melee heavy in normal lists too, particularly with Kreoss 3.

There aren't any other characters on the Crusader chassis. I've some really intensive avatar conversions based on the Crusader kit, but that also tends to require buying the full avatar kit and being very good with sculpting.

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Blood of Martyrs is good if you play Thyra occasionally, best buddy jack for her.

Fires of Salvation is an all around good jack who can slingshot respectable distances across the table, and beat down heavy ARM and high def alike. He'd definitely be a good option in a number of lists.

Don't worry about scourge.

The only thing is, because BoM is an upgrade kit, it would make your job of converting him much easier - break off arms and head (if the models you're getting are assembled), put on upgrade pieces. Meanwhile, Fires of Salvation has a fair bit of detail on him that makes him unique - you could certainly green-stuff a good copy if you wanted a project, but you have to be particular about getting his look pretty right, to really distinguish him from a normal crusader, and it will mean you're missing out on his rather nice sculpt. Here's a good example of a FoS conversion: http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?140440-Fire-of-Salvation-plastic-kit-scratch-built-black

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Reading up on the them, I was kind of leaning towards Fires of Salvation, but I wanted some feed back from some of the people here. Blessing of Vengeance I really want to have since it seems to go really well with pSeverius.

I do not mind PP's plastics, but they are not something I'd really call 'great' at times but not as bad as some put it out there to be some of the time. Just wanted to do this since I might be getting them in a trade so I can use them to a degree.

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 Tanakosyke22 wrote:
Reading up on the them, I was kind of leaning towards Fires of Salvation, but I wanted some feed back from some of the people here. Blessing of Vengeance I really want to have since it seems to go really well with pSeverius.

I do not mind PP's plastics, but they are not something I'd really call 'great' at times but not as bad as some put it out there to be some of the time. Just wanted to do this since I might be getting them in a trade so I can use them to a degree.


Blessing of Vengeance is crazy-good with pSevvy. Though he's so versatile it's not even an "auto-include". There is a solid argument for just playing him with 2x Redeemer and forgetting the whole spell-slinging thing.

As for the conversion all you'd really need is the fancy arc-node/filigree stuff. Maybe some purity seals from the 40k kits too, since those are a decent approximation of the extra gubbins on his shoulders and players of that game get so many they'd probably give you some for free.

Gameplay wise here are the considerations with BoV:

Native MAT 7, plus powerful charge, plus choir, plus eye of menoth means his effective MAT on the charge is a whopping 12. Hits DEF 17 on 5-ups. Seriously. The POW is "only" 16, but his threat range is as good as any of the 'Jacks in protectorate and that's enough to kill a lot of things. Obviously you're brining him as an Arc Node, but don't forget the spear can do work. Giving him 1 focus to buy an attack is generally a better use than spending 2 to cast a POW 15 immolation.

Ashes-to-Ashes is expensive but powerful. With the blessings bonus, it's an effective auto-hitting POW 13 d6 enemies within 5" of the target. This cuts through stealth, spell ward, high DEF and normally anything else that would normally throw you off. In addition to just being good at clearing infantry it can tag solos and other key targets that no other tool could.

10" Run + 8" Spell Range + Sevny's effective magic attack value of 9 makes your potential attack vectors pretty crazy. That's 18" to work with, and it doesn't have to all be in a straight line, and that's just immolation. A2A can potentially bounce 5" further from the initial target.


To repeat, despite all this. BoV is not so good as to be must-have. pSevvy is perfectly happy an in some cases just plain better with no Arc Node just using his focus to fuel Reckoners & Redeemers.

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Fire of Salvation is the best of the 3 Crusader character heavies(although technically Scourge is a Vanquisher)

He's got another point of speed, better Mat, Righteous Vengeance, and a very good Imprint. Plus if you are using Kreoss he gets Dispel.


My Fire of Salvation is a converted crusader. he's awesome.

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