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Trying to find a good way to get into AM and I'm looking to create a competitive list with my SW. Here its is 1750. Biggest weakness is lack of scoring units. I think PCS can score, not sure. CC and vote please!

SW:
Rune Priest, melta bombs

Troops:
10x GH, 2x melta, rhino
5x GH

Heavy Support:
6x LF 5x missiles
Vindicator, dozer blade
Vindicator, dozer blade

Aegis, Icarus Lascannon

AM:
Pask in Vanquisher, lascannon
2x Exterminator, 2x lascannon
Psyker

Troops:
PCS
3x Infantry, 3x Lascannon

Heavy Support:
2x Wyvern

I think it's a decent take-all-comers list. I would make sure to give the Rune Priest or the Sanctioned Psyker spells from Divination so he can cast Prescience on Pask's unit.

I would rather see a Quad Gun over the Icarus Lascannon. The Quad Gun is more reliable.

Yes, the PCS can score.

Yeah both pyskers wil roll on divination for rerolls for the missiles, blob and tanks and mayhe the lucky 4+ inv for the blob.

Do you think tau and eldar would easily out shoot this army?

They wouldn't outshoot it easily. If you get the first turn alpha strike you have a great chance at crippling their firepower. I feel that your big weakness is MC spam that taudar can bring, but who doesn't have a problems against that list.

I am not a big fan of the vanilla grey hunter squad, but what can you do at 1750. With the PCS being able to score I think you have plenty of scoring for 1750.

Looks a bit of a mess. Pask is only worth it if he's your Warlord. You've got a Psyker giving prescience to 3 Russes who's main turret is already twinlinked. An infantry platoon when Vets are just infinitely better for almost no extra points.

Vindicators when you could take Russes.

1 solitary rhino presumably just to ensure you give up First Blood to your opponent every game.

Just absolutely nothing scary here at all. The 2 Wyverns being the best thing though a 3rd is always recommended. Against any competent list you're in real trouble, against the top tier deathstar lists there's no point in even getting your models out of the case as that will take longer than the game.

Haha apparently Fling is a god of 40k. He goes around to every post and lays down his indisputable law.

That being said the pyskers can roll for 4+ invuln, and can twin link the blob, missiles and cast other powers. Blobs are really good at sitting behind aegis and being tough to kill.
Its not that hard to hide a rhino.
Vindicators are cheaper than LR, and work well as 2s.
List has like 4 lascannon shots from blob, 5 missiles, 8 str 7 shots, 3 more lascannons, a vanquisher shot, 2 str 10 ap 2 large blasts and 8 ignore covers str 4 shred small blasts, but j guess being a good general combined with the fire power wouldnt give me any chance?

Not against top tier lists it wouldn't. You don't have huge firepower you have quite mediocre firepower for the points. In a casual setting against lists that are just collections of models you'll do quite well. Hence I voted that. Against any sort of optimised list you're going to be in trouble.

The list as a whole doesn't appear to have a huge amount of thought behind it. I don't see a central idea. Whilst you have some suboptimal choices it is the lack of a central plan that is the biggest drawback.

For instance the reason I mentioned that the Vindis coukd be Russes is that you have 3 already adding more AV14 creates target saturation and causes more problems. By nothing scary I meant there's nothing in the list that makes the opponent think "oh god how am I going to deal with that". Nothing in your list puts real pressure on your opponent from deployment. I've seen wolf lists at this point level with 20+ missile launchers or lots of deep striking Jaws, a mean deathstar, an entire AV13+ front, but something that makes your opponent worry.

I still dont agree with you in many ways, ans as a side note you come off as being a huge dick.

There was thought behind thr choices.
Blob centralized to camp an objective and dish out lascannons. LF behind aegis or in cover close enough to get twinlinked. Wyverns behind los blocking terrain if i can. The 3 LR will choose a flank and depending on how opponent deploys i will either put my 2 vindicators on the other flank or with them.
Hide the rhino in and around mid field for objective grabbing.

The list has a lot of different, diverse shooting options and threats. It is a little inefficient at the troops section, but the point of SW allies is for Rune Priest, missisles, and vindicators which are cheaper than the LR variants allowing me to take more shootiness.
Also i never proclaimed this as the best list but i do think its good enough to challenge almost any list.

You asked for a review based on competitive play. I gave it. The list is not competitive. I didn't say there was no thought behind the choices at all just no central idea. What is your list better at than anyone else? What does the army as a whole excel at?

I understand, and things you say do make sense, but all im saying is that your first message comes off as a guy that reads to many powerlists online and thinks he knows everything. I appreciate criticism and the list I dont think excels over other lists in one partiicular thing. What it does do is it brings a lot of fire power in many different ways, troop blob, av 14 tanks, power armor missiles, and light armor. I think its a decent tak all corners list and can compete. As a player im not looking for the super spam/death star list but rather a TAC list that can have a chance, if olayed well, against anything. Also just starting AM and i have SW stuff.

The issue in competitive play with a list that has a bit of everything is you maximise your opponents firepower. His anti-horde has good targets, his AT has good targets, his anti-light mech has good targets his anti heavy infantry has good targets. He then faces you will a wall of AV14 and all your AI is wasted until you start cracking open those AV14 hulls. Or a massed infantry army and your AT has no efficient targets etc.

Also the power level of the Deathstars is so far beyond a normal list these days you need something special to have a chance. Also the level of firepower people can bring to the table these days is silly. I'm going to a 1500 doubles tjis weekend at WHW and between us we have 12 tank Hunting Broadsides and 2 Riptides, one of which has a buffmander attached and all that's in a single Force Org. So that's 48 S7 twinlinked shots and 48 S5 twinlinked ignores cover shots and 2 S8 Ap2 pie plates one of which ignores cover and that's at 1500! Granted it's not a rounded list and AV14 caises us a massive problem as it was written before the AM Codex dropped when AV14 was very rare. But it gives you an idea of the sort of lists and firepower that can be brought to the table without even going to one of the silly Deathstars. The competitive scene now is so much farther removed from normal play than it ever has been before.