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A mini company who just finished a successful (and very cool-looking) Kickstarter for https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dinaandrewswalker/miniature-ice-age-mammal-adventure-set Ice Age Mammals is about to launch one a miniatures skirmish game all about gnomes, and designed by Andrea Sfiligoi who wrote Song of Blades and Heroes, etc. etc. My older son and I are about to embark on Song of Fur & Buttons first (now that we have power again after Hurricane/Tropical Storm Arthur), and then plan on picking up Song of Blades & Heroes soon after (a great way to use both paper miniatures and terrain that aren't seeing use in my RPGs).

I'm very excited - these will be the first metal minis I am ever going to buy! I'm almost more excited about this than my Reaper Bones dragons coming in the fall.

I'll post the Kickstarter campaign link when it goes live.


Check out their press release:

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ADW GAMES

NYC

Media Contact: Susan Taylor

info@adwgames.com July 7, 2014

ADW Games and Game Designer Andrea Sfiligoi announce that they are bringing "Band of Gnomes", a non-lethal miniature skirmish game full of fast-paced trickery, illusion, summoning, entrapment, odd magic, queer terrain, golems and elementals, to Kickstarter on July 21, 2014.

Rules for "Band of Gnomes" are being written by Andrea Sfiligoi, the Award-winning game designer behind Songs of Blades and Heroes, Of Gods And Mortals and Fistful of Kung Fu.

"We have chosen this as out next project because it is unique in format and does not compete with anything on the market," says S.E. Lantry, the primary writer for ADW Games. "Plus, we have a lot of cool, surprising expansions already mapped out."

Band of Gnomes will be set in ADW's fantasy version of Doggerland, based on the lost landmass in the North Sea that joined Great Britain and Europe, during and after the last Ice Age.

Band of Gnomes will include rules for Ice Age Mammals miniatures in the Band of Gnomes Core Rule Book. The Core Set will include two Gnome factions, The Lighted Forest and The UnderMountain, and will include rules for terrain and Band of Gnomes battlemap-based games (Terrain and Battlemaps sold separately).

For more information, visit www.adwgames.com



About Andrea Sfiligoi

Andrea Sfiligoi is an independent Italian game designer. He writes and publishes games under the name "Ganesha Games", using the website www.ganeshagames.net as a hub of his many activities. His tabletop games have been published in English, Italian, French, Spanish and German, thanks to the help of a veritable army of volunteer translators, editors, and proofreaders. His best-known titles are tabletop wargames to be played with miniatures (painted, metal or plastic figurines in a variety of scales).

He is the author of the Origins-Award nominated "Song of Blades and Heroes" fantasy skirmish rules. He also wrote games such as Fear and Faith, Mutants and Death Ray Guns, Mighty Monsters, and many others. The gaming system outlined in "Song of Blades and Heroes" has also been adapted to other genres or historical periods by other authors , including Sergio Laliscia who won an Origins award with Song of Drums and Shakos.

Andrea lives in Italy with two cats, hundreds of books, and several thousands miniatures. In addition to gaming, he paints, shoots a longbow and works as an illustrator.

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The KS is still running (for the moment) but Andrea Sfiligoi is no longer part of the project,

he posted on facebook

I am no longer part of the Band of Gnomes project by ADWgames. The company will soon issue a statement (and I guess the people who pledged for my rules only may alter their pledges). Any new rules that I wrote for this project will likely resurface, in a form or another, in future Ganesha Games supplements. I also want to stress out that I am NOT the person replying to backers on the KS page -- the only thing I did for the KS page are the figure sketches.


https://www.facebook.com/ganeshagames/posts/10154445209540444

 
   
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That comment section is hilarious and tragic at the same time.

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Their refusal to not show the rules to backers in their first KS set me off. While they didn't insult any backers, we've had multiple threads on BGG that no one's going to steal your fantastic boardgame idea, because the whole industry has enough fantastic boardgame ideas and doesn't need yours. In a PM, this "part timer" said that they were unaware of any boardgame KS that showed off their rules to backers, clearly an indication of their lack of, imo, basic research in how many KS boardgames have run their campaigns. Heck, even many retail miniature companies, such as Mantic, have free rules downloads.

Later on, in the Reaper forums, a poster claimed he was a sculptor for ADW in the Ice Age campaign, but was not paid for his work. I tracked down the company who actually charges your credit card, and it's a "film production" company called Evergreen Entertainment in Los Angeles, nowhere near the NY location of the KS. This company's only project I could find is through their Aquaplus name, which proposed a reality show in 2011.

While I couldn't find anything definitive, this was enough to show me that I need more proof that these people can manage a miniatures project.

More info: http://www.dwarvenforge.com/forum?func=view&catid=10&id=66032

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That's interesting ced1106. I'm also pretty sceptical of these people, as we discussed in the Ice Age Mammals thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/598995.page#7024563

They really, really seem to be coming up with stuff as they go. In their first KS, two months ago, they were first pushing for their own skirmish game system which they had allegedly been developing for 25 years, but it didn't go well so they cancelled and brought aboard Andrea Sfiligoi to produce a system based on his Song of Blades and Heroes instead. In their second KS, the ice age mammals, they started out with digital sculpting but then switched to traditional sculpting halfway through. And now, in their third KS, Andrea has jumped ship for some reason and they are talking about doing a Pathfinder version instead. Seriously? Pathfinder is an RPG, it's not exactly the same thing as a skirmish game.

Honestly? I actually think it might be a scam.
   
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It should be said that this thread title needs a mod to edit it.

Andrea Sfiligoi has parted ways and is officially distancing himself from the company. He now has no relationship with this project.

11527pts Total (7400pts painted)

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Done.

Personally, I think it'd be crazy to back this new company on a second campaign before they make more progress their first which ended. Looks like most folks feel the same way and it is unlikely to fund.

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They've cancelled the Band of Gnomes campaign; seems like the only possible move when the game designer dropped out. They say they're going to start a new KS next week for the terrain and whatnot.
   
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I wouldn't back these people at all. Pinmini claims he was a sculptor who was not paid by ADW. The behavior of the so-called "part timer" is thoroughly unprofessional and reflects very poorly on the company. ADW refuses to show backers a copy of the rules, claiming someone will steal them (anyone else here from BGG knows how likely *that* is). The ADW folks worked "25 years" for the rules system on their first KS (whose presentation is all over the place), yet drops these rules completely for their second KS. The "Evergreen Entertainment LLC" who charges your credit card turns out to be a 4-person film production company, whose Aquaplus name has gotten as far as a reality show proposal.

KS is not a store, and I'd like to see some actual proof ADW can deliver on a miniatures project.

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I was watching this with great interest since I was hoping to jump on it to grab some Sabertusks for an Ogre army. I'm very happy not to have backed this, I've been burned in the past (twice) and am extremely cautious with KS in general but most of all any new comers that have no prior history. I like KS, IGG etc a lot and the possibilities it offers, I just think I'm becoming more responsible as a backer (which means I was more IRresponsible in the past, lol).

I believe (and I've written this before) an existing manufacturer has a lot of reputation to lose if his KS goes bananas rather than someone who has just thrown a couple of thousand of pounds/dollars/euros and simply hopes it goes viral. There are some exceptions of course, seeing Drakerys and Demigods Rising are very good examples of work done correctly and thus funded nicely in the end (Demigods is still rising nicely, really good looking imo). I wish ADW delivers the Ice Mammals as promised, this twist only makes them worry people without much respect, as ced1106 says here KS is not a store.
   
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Having to cancel two kickstarters suggests that these guys seriously need to reorganize and fulfill their existing obligations before trying again. Prove you can deliver before asking for more money.

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 Breotan wrote:
Having to cancel two kickstarters suggests that these guys seriously need to reorganize and fulfill their existing obligations before trying again. Prove you can deliver before asking for more money.


Yeah, since May of this year they have now run three Kickstarters (two cancelled, one funded), as well as one Indiegogo (for their graphic novel, which didn't raise a single dollar, but still). That's a bit intense I think.

They probably think I'm an absolute troll who wants nothing but to mar their success, but there are just so many red flags with these guys that it manages to bother me.

* The details of the company are hazy. On their webpage it used to say that ADW Games was a branch of a bigger company, but I can't see that anymore. They say they have a big team in place of artists, writers, editors, and even a research assistant, but there are no names, apart from the project creator. Also, the link to the project creators facebook page doesn't work.

* Overly ambitious. They used to have a production schedule up on their webpage (it's been taken down) which was pretty crazy for a new company; they were coming out with a skirmish game which would be followed up by 40 expansions, they were doing miniatures, terrain, an RPG, the graphic novel... and I think all of it was basically coming out in 2014 or early 2015. As I mentioned, they seem to have purged their website quite a bit, but a lot of that information is still up on their first Kickstarters page, with quotes such as "And, with all candour, we are looking to compete with GW, PP and FoW, with the important exception: we have built a world and a game that offers more options in how you can play the game."

* Not a little arrogant. When I discussed with them on the Reaper forum (the discussion got heated, and those posts have now been removed), at least the person I was talking to was actually quite disdainful towards other companies with stuff like "if you can't manage to deliver on a Kickstarter for little miniature toys within two months, you clearly don't know what you're doing". It also seemed to me that they might be underestimating gamers in general a bit, with statements like "I've been in business for longer than most of you have been alive". I'm not sure if he thought he was talking to teenagers, but most members of that forum are probably in their 30ies, 40ies or 50ies, with quite a few sculptors and people who have run their own Kickstarters etc. It seemed to me that he was just trying to impress and intimidate by playing up the picture of them being so well versed in business that this was not going to be a problem.

* Repeatedly switching of horses as they go. My impression is that they were kind of back and forth on whether their skirmish game was going to be for 15mm or 28mm miniatures even when their first campaign was up and running; as I mentioned above, they switched from digital to traditional sculpting halway through their Ice Age Mammals campaign, and now they have gone from their own ruleset (with the 40 expansions), to using Song of Blades from Ganesha Games, to Pathfinder.

* Perhaps not understanding what miniature hobbyists want to see. Up on the main page of their first Kickstarter they have two pictures of an archer mini, labelled "before and after painting". However, both images are clearly computer renders, it's just that one is in color... this isn't exactly what other companies use as examples of painted miniatures.

* A lot of the photography of the sculpting that's has indeed been done on their Ice Age Mammals is of worse quality than I think I could achieve even if I tried just taking picture with my cell phone. I don't get this.

Ugh, sorry, I'll try to get out of my rant mode now. As I said, they have just managed to concern me.

ced1106 wrote:
I tracked down the company who actually charges your credit card, and it's a "film production" company called Evergreen Entertainment in Los Angeles, nowhere near the NY location of the KS.


I was actually wondering how you know this? Isn't it Kickstarter that charges your credit card?
   
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Nice and concise for a rant! Good job!

I don't like how Reaper deletes posts on the KS forum. I find negative posts about a creator leads for me to check if the creator is ethical and/or competent enough to run a project. I find out about new projects on Reaper, and about their creators on Dakka.

Check your KS payment authorizations. Here's an example from the Cthulhu Wars KS, by Green Eye Games:

You Have Authorized a Payment to Happy Muffin Top, Kickstarter, Inc.
Amazon Payments
To Me
Jun 26, 2013
Greetings from Amazon Payments,

We have received your Jun 26, 2013 authorization to let Happy Muffin Top, Kickstarter, Inc. charge you. Details of this transaction are below:

Authorization summary:
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Recipient: Happy Muffin Top, Kickstarter, Inc.

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Oh, yeah, I see; hadn't really noticed that before. So, Evergreen Entertainment eh?
   
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Brief update:

The last couple of days, there have been some interesting interactions with ADW in the funding complete, undelivered Ice Age Mammals kickstarter.

I won't copy-paste it all here, but to sum up:

- An update to the Ice Age Mammals kickstarter was sent out advertising another to-be-launched kickstarter (Sea monsters or something).
- A backer expressed concern about starting another kickstarter without having delivered on the first, used a single exclamation point to emphasize a point, and used quotes when quoting something.
- The project creator responded to say that they are ahead of schedule on the mammals, so concerns are invalid. However, they said, the use of exclamation points is violent, aggressive and unprofessional, the equivalent of yelling. Also that using quotation marks is a veiled insult.
- Other backers, essentially, asked WTF. No one was rude.
- The creators doubled down, saying they don't do business by yelling and will address "legitimate" comments via PM.

This, to me, is a huge red flag. It appears that they invented something to be insulted about, and used that outrage to avoid addressing the concerns of the backer.

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I'm still waiting to see what some actual finished sculpts look like. They keep talking about finishing such and such models up, but we never seem to see the final result.

The mammoth baby or whatever wasn't bad looking. You'd think they would want to show off their quality to get people interested in their future endeavors!

I've given up asking for rulers in these shots. There was one with the sloth WIP, but that's the only one I've seen. Giant Sloth looked to be about 50mm tall too, so that's not too shabby.

The latest works in progress for those who haven't been following/ haven't seen:

Spoiler:


Spoiler:


This isn't a bad shot of the Glyptodon and Cave Bear roughs. I'm not sure why they keep putting those scratchy filters on everything.
Spoiler:


Everything they seem to do leaves me scratching my head. I like rooting for the underdogs and giving up and comers a chance, but they seem to make such random decisions about things. It's baffling.

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Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/627383.page#7436324.html
Watch and listen to me ramble about these minis before ruining them with paint!
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Way too many red flags... it's obvious they should complete their first (already ambitious!) campaign before moving on to others. I appreciate you guys and gals (Trodax, ced, Gymnogyps, highborn) researching it so the rest of us who aren't following it as closely know what's occurring. Hopefully, they'll deliver on ice mammals- that's really all they should be doing right now.
   
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Thanks.

On the Dwarven Forge thread, jcanuck, a backer on the project, had some pretty harsh words to say about the sculpts:

The most recent updates do not inspire any confidence in me about this project to which I was stupid enough to pledge $30 in what could only be called a moment of insanity. All I can say is that these sculpts are a pile of gak, they're that bad. The sculptor has no sense of anatomy or form... everything is just blobs on these sculpts... despite being 'in progress' they're more than far enough along that there should be some definition and form established, but there's nothing in these sculpts.

What's odd though, if you look at the original sculpts (thank god those are the ones I chose from) you'd think it was two different people doing them and I suspect it is at least two different people. The original ones on the main page were done by someone with more skill than whoever is doing the newest ones.


My reply to his post:

Pinmini on the Reaper forums was one of the sculptors originally hired on the project. However, ADW did not pay him for his work, so, obviously, he did not provide them the sculpts. Pinmini further showed me that ADW was resorting to Craigslist for sculptors.

Since I couldn't find confirmation of this, I didn't post, but will be more aggressive in doing so in the future. It's unfortunate that we need to do this, when forum netiquette says otherwise. ):


One of my guidelines for backing a KS is to screen out or at least *highly* scrutinize first-time projects by new creators. I was criticized on this, but ADW (and Torn Armor) is such an example.

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Yeah, I must admit I just can't quite get myself to stay away; even though I'm not backer I've been checking back occasionally to see what they'll be doing next. Noticed the exchange Gymnogyps mentioned that went down in update #98 when they posted a sculpt that will evidently be part of their next KS. Very strange. Browsing through the comment section, it seems they're set to launch a campaign this week that will have big sea monsters, some kind of terrain, and a bunch of sculpts depicting spell wall effects I think (that were in the previous one that they cancelled). I dunno, perhaps I'm missing some vital part concerning the deep background of the world they're creating, but to me it all just looks very random, thematically speaking. You've got you ice age mammals, there used to be some kind of medieval-looking castle on their webpage, there are lots of gnomes apparently, and now big sea gods (at least one of them based on some 16th century legend), plus a bunch of spell walls and mushroom terrain. I'm just not getting what they're going for.

Honestly, I also think the sculpting quality is looking pretty horrible. But they have backers that seem to think it's awesome, so I'm scratching my head a bit about that. Anyway, they're really confident that they'll be delivering the ice age mammals here in September, so we'll soon see how this ends up I guess.
   
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I'm sorry to those who pledged but those pics in the spoilers actually made me laugh out loud. They look like theyre made by kids out of playdough at worst or at best are a mediocre mini for the elephant guy musician at Jabba's palace. I can't get the cantina star wars tune out of my head now. Wow...those are really bad...

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Fixed the cave bear and glyptodon picture in the earlier post.

I... I don't know what I expected. At least the first sculpts looked like they had a vision in mind.

These new ones are so rough and unpolished, like you said, it's the kind of things that kids might make.

It certainly isn't inspiring any confidence in me for any future products from them.

Plus this bizarre pattern of monthly KS campaigns they start, get sidetracked with new ideas in the middle of, then promptly cancel.

Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

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And their next KS is... next week.

Update 99: August 15th

So: we still employ two other sculptors other than myself, and we need to provide work to our new casting pro, so this leads us to another KS to get us through to 2015 without any downtime. That KS will be up next week and it is called "Sea Monsters, Terrain and BIg Beasts". A lot of ala carte selections and huge discounts. All Sea Monsters will be historic. All Big Beasts are fantasy. Terrain is a mixture of both, really. I will have lots of finished models and the team will be working on new models throughout the new Campaign, with the goal of having everything finished before that Campaign ends, so there is no confusion on our model-production schedule and/or approach. Delivery for this KS is estimated to be late October. ...

Finally, I am charge of final review and adjustments on all Ice Age Mammal minis. So, I will be added final textures (if needed) and new poses (if desired).


If you look at the updates, these lumps are something like a day away from being the final sculpt (!). I'd normally cut them some slack, but, in light of all the other flags in the project, these sort of updates invite *more* scrutiny. Anyone know who this Lars is?

If you poke around their website, they haven't updated their News on their Contact (!) page, which still doesn't list who ADW is. The Ice Age I Box set has an expected ship date of August 21st.

EDIT: Here's a preview pic of a sculpt in their next KS. If you look at update #98, it's "two hours" from completion.

Spoiler:


And, holy , I thought we were behind that passive-aggressive behavior towards the backers, with the replacement of that "part-timer". (What's with the LOLspeak?) More from Update #98:

Crazy:
This is Lars:
The schedule for photos has been announced. We have all sculpts inc ompletion at the moment. As mentioned in the comment section, we have vacations to deal with, new staff to deal with and three locations. Everything will be in my hands by end of next week.
To be very clear: we are not insutling anyone. We are requesting to be addressed with the same dignity and grace as you would address someone you conduct business with face2face.
If you are accustomed to yelling at people face2face, I am here to say that we do not accept that mdoe of communication, and that level of hostility. Never the less, this does not effect our schecule or our repsect for those who choose not to yell while we conduct our business in a timely manner.
If you would like to contact me at any time, you can see from previous posts that I am available at info@adwgames.com
In the future, if you have a legitimate comment, pleasae do not hestitate to email me. Forcing a personal confrontation on a KS message board, when all issues have been addressed and we are simply asking for a modicum of commonly accepted ettique when addressgint the team lowers everyone.
This is after all, a KS Campaign about games. And, games are meant to be fun.

from Lars-
internet etiquette defines exclamation points as hostile, equivalent to entering a place of business and screaming. As we are on schedule and have provided dates (ahead of schedule) for complete photos of all master models, exclamation points are considered unnecessarily hostile.

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Woaw, they are going for 5 year old play-doh style

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Good to know if grad school doesn't work out I can just throw lumps of play-doh together and make money.

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To be fair, that last "Sea Bishop" sculpt is probably better than what I myself could accomplish if I was given a chunk of clay and went at it for a bunch of hours. And I'm a well-educated, 37 year old man, so I think the 5 year old play-doh comments are really uncalled for! Of course, that I couldn't do better myself still doesn't mean it's something I'd like to pay money to own.

(And yes, the use of an exclamation mark in the paragraph above did indeed mean that I was shouting it in uncontrolled rage. )

ced1106 wrote:
Anyone know who this Lars is?

From what I can gather, he seems to be one of the sculptors that is now handling fulfillment of the Ice Age Mammals. Here's something he wrote a couple of days ago:
Lars, as Dina Andrews Walker 5 days ago wrote:As mentioned, Dina runs her own business and is going to launch an industrial design KS in the Fall. I am working on wierd Dark Sun fine art sculpts and trying to manage the sculptors on this project (when they are not on summer vacation). I am able to throw together 3-5 sculpts a week for this KS, plus I am doing speed sculpts for sea monster and misc. dungeon items. A lot of tests for the next KS, really. End of summer potboiler to make up for the poor Band of Gnomes showing- which in all honesty was a mixture of 1) bad idea on new rules. It should have been all Pathfinder. No one wants new rules. and 2) gnomes need to be designed in Blender and printed on 3D wax printers. Hand-crafting Gnomes is madness.


ced1106 wrote:
If you poke around their website, they haven't updated their News on their Contact (!) page, which still doesn't list who ADW is.

Skimming back through the Ice Age Mammals KS comments I noticed a couple references to the Evergreen and Aquaplus names you mentioned earlier ced1106:

Dina Andrews Walker on August 7 null wrote:Evergreen financed this KS and is the parent company of ADWGames.

Dina Andrews Walker on July 10 null wrote:there is a forum
...
http://aquaplus.tv/mybb/
...
and, of course, he put the forum on the media company that is promoting ADW.

So at least they aren't really hiding these names; ADW Games seems to be some kind of branch of Evergreen/Aquaplus.


   
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LOL. It is the internet. If you run a KS campaign you better be prepared for some vitriol in the comments. Someone is always going to think you are a worthless piece of gak that pissed in their cereal while fething their mom in a car that just ran over their dog.


Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"

AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."

AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
 
   
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 Gymnogyps wrote:
o-be-launched kickstarter (Sea monsters or something).
- A backer expressed concern about starting another kickstarter without having delivered on the first, used a single exclamation point to emphasize a point, and used quotes when quoting something.
- The project creator responded to say that they are ahead of schedule on the mammals, so concerns are invalid. However, they said, the use of exclamation points is violent, aggressive and unprofessional, the equivalent of yelling. Also that using quotation marks is a veiled insult.
- Other backers, essentially, asked WTF. No one was rude.
- The creators doubled down, saying they don't do business by yelling and will address "legitimate" comments via PM.

This, to me, is a huge red flag. It appears that they invented something to be insulted about, and used that outrage to avoid addressing the concerns of the backer.


This. The creator appears to be a fething psycho. She clearly went into this with a huge chip on her shoulder as proven by her FAQ answers of "yeah, this is a woman run company! Wanna fight about it? Anything negative is hate speech!" BS.

The problem isn't the woman run company part, the problem is the raging ass run company part.

Plus those sculpts are flat out terrible. How is anyone remotely satisfied with some vaguely animal shaped clay blob a 6 year old put out?
   
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I WONDER HOW THEY DEFINE ALL-CAPS TEXT WITH MULTIPLE PUNCTUATION MARKS????

They should probably invest in a spell-checker if they want to even attempt to maintain a facade of "professionalism".

   
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Uppsala, Sweden

weeble1000 wrote:
If you run a KS campaign you better be prepared for some vitriol in the comments. Someone is always going to think you are a worthless piece of gak that pissed in their cereal while fething their mom in a car that just ran over their dog.

Indeed. For reference, here is the attack that occurred, quoted in full. If you are faint of heart, I must warn you though; this is some highly aggressive stuff:

Spoiler:
Less of the future Kickstarters and other projects please - deliver this one first!
Currently you are unproven and haven't actually delivered anything - and this KS is short on real progress/detail updates on finished sculpts or plans for casting given the 'promised' delivery date of September 2014.

 Azazelx wrote:
I WONDER HOW THEY DEFINE ALL-CAPS TEXT WITH MULTIPLE PUNCTUATION MARKS????

Well, since exclamation marks are defined as "somewhere between crass and violent" and akin to "entering a place of business and screaming", surely with all-caps we must have passed the line when blades are drawn and blood is shed.
   
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And we're live again:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dinaandrewswalker/28mm-miniature-sea-monsters-dungeon-terrain-and-bi
   
 
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