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2014/07/10 02:00:16
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Been Around the Block
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This is my list for the 750 escalation league im in. Im goin for a bowline type. Keep in mind i have never played fantasy before.
Hero: 110
Waystalker: Bow of Loren
Core: 458
14 Glade Guard: swiftshiver shards, standard bearer
14 Glade Guard: swiftshiver shards
Special: 180
10 Deepwood Scouts: Arcane bodkins
What you think?
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2014/07/10 10:24:10
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Terrifying Wraith
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From what I am learning about wood elves it seems the best arroe options are trueflight or hagbane.
Arcane bodkins is great but only against armies like warriors of chaos where 4+ saves are easy to come by. Asrai bows alreadybhave armour piercing so even against heavy army they will be extremely effective.
Trueflight arrows are the best because they allow you to 'kite' the enemy and keep shooting with no modifiers to hit and with BS4 that is huge.
Hagbane is a great next option because of the low strength of wood elves dealing with warmachines and monsters becomes increasingly difficult. Being able to guarantee a wound on a 6 is huge especially with the power of things like cannons. I recommend changing the Scouts to Hagbane changing the Glade Guard to Trueflight and dropping the bow and way stalker at this point level and a captain with hail of doom arrow. At 750 it is pretty powerful. The waystalker with the bow seems to be a great combo but at low points the captain with HoDA seems to me the better choice.
If you want Hawk Eye consider droping the scouts for waywatchers.
I am rather new to wood elves and fantasy as a whole but that is what I can gather from reading the book and tactics guides.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/07/10 10:26:59
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2014/07/10 14:45:05
Subject: Re:Wood elf 750 escalation
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Been Around the Block
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UPDATED LIST
HERO:
Glade Captain: Hail of doom arrow, Bow of Loren, trueflight arrows
CORE:
10x Glade Guard: trueflight arrows, standard bearer
10x Glade Guard: trueflight arrows
10x Glade Guard: trueflight arrows
SPECIAL:
10x Deepwood scouts: Hagbane arrows
That list look better? Captain runs with a unit of guard.
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2014/07/10 15:28:39
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Terrifying Wraith
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Looks better only problems is your Captain has the Bow of Loren so giving him Trueflight arrows is pointless. Cannot use enchanted arrows with the Bow of Loren.
I am not entirely sure how I feel about the Glade Lord/Captain right now. I get the feeling that the Spellweaver/singer is a better option for magic defense and boosting units with lore of beasts.
Either way I think the list looks better like this just need to take out the trueflight arrows
I would also drop one of the Glade Guard units for another unit of Deepwood Scouts with trueflight if you are going to take 3 GG units. The scouts have better rules and for only a point more.
That would put you at 745 I believe. If you also drop the standard on GG.
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2014/07/10 15:44:01
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Regular Dakkanaut
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You can't use the same type of arrows on different units. They are magic items, and cannot be duplicated.
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2014/07/10 18:49:15
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Terrifying Wraith
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They are not 'magic' items they are considered enchanted items but do not take up the enchanted item slot. If they were considered an enchanted item that can never be duplicated like most items you would only get 1 iteration of the item per unit considering you have to pay per model to upgrade the unit.
Also the items are not listed in the Arcane items wargear section of the book implying at least in my opinion that they are not 'magic' items. Simply items that are enchanted. Causing shots from the unit to be magical. Why GW would use the term enchanted item and then list it as a unit upgrade for several different units is beyond me. That is my take on it so I say duplicate them all you want.
Maybe someone else has some clear cut GW response that answers this question.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/07/10 19:05:53
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2014/07/10 19:26:28
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Enchanted item=magic item. End of story.
The section of the book in which this is written is irrelevant to the rule. Also, it is listed as a unit upgrade for several units, just like magic weapons are upgrades for several characters.
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2014/07/10 19:49:45
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Terrifying Wraith
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If they are magic items does that mean I have the ability to take them on my Waystalker since he can take up to 25 points of magic items?
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2014/07/10 19:55:14
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Your Waystalker cannot take magic arrows, just like your Glade Lord cannot take a dispell scroll.
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2014/07/10 20:04:32
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Terrifying Wraith
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My Glade Lord cannot take a dispel scroll because he is not a Wizard.
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2014/07/10 20:06:30
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Ok, your Waystalker cannot take magic arrows, just like you mage cannot take dragonhelm.
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2014/07/10 20:09:27
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Terrifying Wraith
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I think the fact that the item is not listed with the rest of the magical items and is instead listed in the Armory section with with the rest of the items that are seen spread throughout the army book shows clear RAI. GW would have no reason to list them in the armory if they truly are a 'magic item' They would list them with the rest of the enchanted items It is not as if they are limited in the amount of stuff they can put in the 'magic section'. There is absolutely no logical reason other than that they are considered upgrades for them to be listed where they are. Automatically Appended Next Post: My mage cannot take a Dragonhelm because he cannot take armor.
You are basically stating that it is a magic item only in the sense that it cannot be duplicated but every other application of it does not exist. So unless a unit can be upgraded with this magic item you cannot take it even though it is still a magic item.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/07/10 20:10:53
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2014/07/10 20:15:48
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Q: If they weren't magic items then why would the author bother categorising them as Enchanted Items, and just say that they have magical attacks?
A: Because they are magic items.
Q: So, as magic items, they cannot be duplicated, right?
A: Yes.
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2014/07/10 20:36:54
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Terrifying Wraith
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Q: So, as magic items, they cannot be duplicated, right?
A: Wrong, magic items are unique unless stated otherwise. While you may be expecting a clear cut THIS ITEM IS NOT UNIQUE I do not believe that is required. The simple fact that a unit can take multiples of the item signifies that it is not limited to a single iteration.
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2014/07/10 21:10:50
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Regular Dakkanaut
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It would be completely irrational if only 1 model could take Truflight arrows ie. I'm expecting a FAQ about new WE and Dwarves books, but until then, I don't allow my opponents to take duplicate of magic arrows.
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2014/07/10 22:19:50
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Terrifying Wraith
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And because it is not black and white I think that you have that right until it is clarified.
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2014/07/15 12:12:25
Subject: Wood elf 750 escalation
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Been Around the Block
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So if i give my Captain the bow of loren does that make him have 4 shots or 2 shots?
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