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Hi guys

Just looking for some thoughts on my 1850 point list.
This is for normal club play for fun as I dont have any intention of entering any comps but I still think its a decent list
Any feedback welcome

Chapter Master (190)
Iron Halo
Thunder Hammer
Artificer Armour
Eternal Shield

Honour Guard (175)
1 x Thunder Hammer on Chapter Champion
2 x Power Axes
2 x Power Swords
Chapter Banner

Storm Raven (200)
Twin-Linked Lascannon
Twin-Linked Multi-Melta
Stormstrike Missiles
(Chapter Master And Honour Guard In Storm Raven)

Tactical Squad (115)
4 x Bolters
1 x Meltagun
1 x Drop Pod

Tactical Squad (70)
5 x Bolters

Sternguard Squad (330)
4 x Normal Bolter
6 x Combi Melta-Bolter
1 x Drop Pod
Sarge With Melta Bombs
(Will split into combat squads once landed - 3 Combi Meltas per squad)

Ironclad Dreadnought (180)
Powerfist and Concussion Hammer
Meltagun
Heavy Flamer Upgrade
1 x Drop Pod

Centurion Devastator Squad (290)
3 x Missile Launchers
3 x Twin-Linked Lascannon
Omniscope

Inquisitor Coteaz (100)
(Inquisitor Coteaz To Join Centurion Squad)

Acoylte Squad (40)
10 x Acolytes

Devastator Squad (158)
3 x Bolter
4 x Missile Launchers
Signum


Total 1848

I would drop the extra meat on the devastator squad and give your naked bolter tacticals a pod and a special weapon. Or no transport and a heavy weapon for objective campers.

The acolytes could use a transport too. You'd have to shed more points somewhere though.

In my experience, the champion is better ran naked as he'll most likely get punked by the enemy character while your smash-master beats up the rest of the enemy unit.

My 2 cents. I like the list overall, good balance.

Hmm, a few things:

I don't think the Inquisition Codex gives Coteaz's henchmen Objective Secured... so there's no real point in taking them since everything scores already.

A Chapter Master equipped that way should cost 230 points.

Honor Guard can be fun, but I don't really like them from a Stormraven.. I prefer a Land Raider. I find the Stormraven too frequently comes on late and still has to hover for a turn if you want to assault out of it... I just don't think it's terribly effective. A Landraider would allow you to push up and flat out as your pods arrive, giving you a better attack early in the game. Also, without a tactic like that you're hanging your podded units out to dry.

The IF Devastators are nice. I'd find the points for lascannons if you can... even if that means you only get 3. I think the S9 (and more importantly, the AP2) is going to be invaluable... especially if you can get some ignore cover on there with Coteaz.

The Centurion Devs are great, I run them as well. I really enjoy them with Coteaz with some "I've been expecting you" keeping them safe.

The Sternguard seem alright but you can probably drop the melta bombs... they will most likely die after they shoot, or get tied up with gribbly units.

I would use the Ironclad to bully infantry units, because most can't even hurt him. I'd equip him with double heavy flamers and keep him away from things that can smash him in cc.

Finally, I guess it's pretty obvious but you're very lite on troops. I can see the Devs and Cents holding an at-home objective, but as far as mobile Objective Secured units go, perhaps you want to try some bikes? You could put the CM on a bike for 250 and exchange some Tacticals for a more mobile unit to come on from reserves late-game... or maybe look into a 5-man scout squad in land speeder storm? Either way, I think you need some more bodies to hold objectives that can't be contested.

Hope that helps!

 phoenix darkus wrote:
I would drop the extra meat on the devastator squad and give your naked bolter tacticals a pod and a special weapon. Or no transport and a heavy weapon for objective campers.

The acolytes could use a transport too. You'd have to shed more points somewhere though.

In my experience, the champion is better ran naked as he'll most likely get punked by the enemy character while your smash-master beats up the rest of the enemy unit.

My 2 cents. I like the list overall, good balance.

Fair enough. Makes sense
Ill add a Missile Launcher to one of the tac squads.

Regarding the Champ....you reckon a Power Sword or a Power Axe?

Thanks for the advice mate


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 xTHExCLINCHERx wrote:
Hmm, a few things:

I don't think the Inquisition Codex gives Coteaz's henchmen Objective Secured... so there's no real point in taking them since everything scores already.

A Chapter Master equipped that way should cost 230 points.

Honor Guard can be fun, but I don't really like them from a Stormraven.. I prefer a Land Raider. I find the Stormraven too frequently comes on late and still has to hover for a turn if you want to assault out of it... I just don't think it's terribly effective. A Landraider would allow you to push up and flat out as your pods arrive, giving you a better attack early in the game. Also, without a tactic like that you're hanging your podded units out to dry.

The IF Devastators are nice. I'd find the points for lascannons if you can... even if that means you only get 3. I think the S9 (and more importantly, the AP2) is going to be invaluable... especially if you can get some ignore cover on there with Coteaz.

The Centurion Devs are great, I run them as well. I really enjoy them with Coteaz with some "I've been expecting you" keeping them safe.

The Sternguard seem alright but you can probably drop the melta bombs... they will most likely die after they shoot, or get tied up with gribbly units.

I would use the Ironclad to bully infantry units, because most can't even hurt him. I'd equip him with double heavy flamers and keep him away from things that can smash him in cc.

Finally, I guess it's pretty obvious but you're very lite on troops. I can see the Devs and Cents holding an at-home objective, but as far as mobile Objective Secured units go, perhaps you want to try some bikes? You could put the CM on a bike for 250 and exchange some Tacticals for a more mobile unit to come on from reserves late-game... or maybe look into a 5-man scout squad in land speeder storm? Either way, I think you need some more bodies to hold objectives that can't be contested.

Hope that helps!

Fair point about the Acolytes. Maybe spend the points elsewhere

You are quite correct about the points cost....dont know what I did there

Good point about the Raven. Was taking it also as Anti Air. LandRaider is a good option.....just more expensive points wise....what do you reckon on a drop pod for them instead? pointless?
What is your recommended Anti-Air go to?
Possibly a Talon or a Stalker?

That was the plan with the Centurions....that W"We've been expecting you" rule is prett sweet

I'll drop the bombs on the Sternguard

I'll have a look into getting more bodies on the table troop wise. Maybe even just 3 bikes or a Storm like you suggested.

Thanks for your advice mate

Plain old power sword on the champ so he can swing at init.

 phoenix darkus wrote:
Plain old power sword on the champ so he can swing at init.

Ok perfect
Thanks

 smurfwedge wrote:

Good point about the Raven. Was taking it also as Anti Air. LandRaider is a good option.....just more expensive points wise....what do you reckon on a drop pod for them instead? pointless?
What is your recommended Anti-Air go to?
Possibly a Talon or a Stalker?

Just to reply to this one set of questions...

I don't think a drop pod is very effective for them. I would not go this route.

My go-to AA is kinda specific to how I play because I use Forge World units and Chapter Tactics, so I often take a Fire Raptor and use Red Hunters Chapter Tactics (so my devs or dev cents blast away fliers, often buffed by divination).

I would highly recommend the Hunter though, seeing as it's very useful against heavy armored skimmers (barges, wave serpents, arks, speeders, etc.) with it's armourbane shot. I also love that it's 70 points, and I prefer to have a better shot at a 1-shot kill with it than glance to death fliers with a talon or stalker... I used to like the stalker for grounding FMCs, but that's not the case anymore, unfortunately. I'd recommend a Hunter and Stormtalon pair (I always take skyhammers on the talon though) unless using Forge World... then the Fire Raptor is just amazing (has never let me down yet!)

Ok thanks for all the advice

I might still go with the Raven to be honest and just see how it does.....just cant get the Raider in at the moment without a serious adjustment elsewhere

That Fire Raptor is awesome.....I want!!

coteaz does make hench's scoring/obj secured. give them a Chimera with plasma guns and some heavy weapon Servitors to fire out of the top hatch (5 fire points)

Coteaz does not give OS to henchman. They took away troops from then. Henchman are no longer troops.

Henchmen are not troops but elites you are correct. But with coteaz it states that any henchmen are troops so can be scoring.
However it doesnt mention anything about objective secured

I would drop the 5 man tac down to 5 scouts. With the points give the acolytes bolters. You have now changed 5 bolters to 15 bolters with 5pts to spare.

Thanks for the info mate

What I have decided to do is drop the acolytes all together as I had to use the 40 points into my Chapter Master (I didnt calculate his points correctly)

Also dropped the Tac Squads and added in 2 Squads of Scouts instead with Camo Cloaks and Sniper Rifles for the same price.

Then I added a Assault Squad without jump packs allowing me to add a DP for free


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New List


Chapter Master (230 Points)
Iron Halo
Thunder Hammer
Artificer Armour
Eternal Shield

Honour Guard (160 Points) (5 Marines)
2 x Power Axes
3 x Power Swords
Chapter Banner

Storm Raven (200 Points)
Twin-Linked Lascannon
Twin-Linked Multi-Melta
Stormstrike Missiles
(Chapter Master And Honour Guard In Storm Raven)

Scout Squad (70 Points) (5 Scouts)
5 x Sniper Rifles And Camo Cloaks

Scout Squad (70 Points) (5 Scouts)
5 x Sniper Rifles And Camo Cloaks

Sternguard Squad (330 Points) (10 Marines)
4 x Normal Bolter
6 x Combi Melta-Bolter
1 x Drop Pod
(Will split into combat squads once landed - 3 Combi Meltas per squad)

Ironclad Dreadnought (190 Points)
Powerfist and Concussion Hammer
2 x Heavy Flamers
Assault Launchers
1 x Drop Pod

Centurion Devastator Squad (290 Points) (3 Centurions)
3 x Missile Launchers
3 x Twin-Linked Lascannon
Omniscope

Inquisitor Coteaz (100 Points)
(Inquisitor Coteaz To Join Centurion Squad)

Assault Squad (85 Points) (5 Marines)
5 x Chainswords And Bolt Pistols
1 x Drop Pod

Devastator Squad (130 Points) (5 Marines)
1 x Bolter
4 x Missile Launchers
Signum


Total 1850

I would drop the omni-scope on those Centurions... I run that save load-out with Coteaz as Red Hunters all the time and not once have I found that a single lascannon and missile shot was powerful enough to warrant splitfiring... 0/8 games basically was it worth it... I always need all 3 firing at the same target to break it down. I think for the grav load-out it's well worth it... but not here.

I'd then use those points to give the assault squad 2 flamers.

Your Objective Secured units are obviously very weak... and sometimes that's ok, but I think because so much of your army is built for killing high toughness/armor, you may struggle removing swarms from an objective... you'll have to let me know if you find that the case!

For the honor guard, I really like the power mauls, but that's just my personal pref... I definitely appreciate the added strength they give.

Other than that, it looks good to me; lots of tank hunter, lots of range, some nice units to harass infantry (love the ironclad with dual flamers for this!) and some fun units. I think youi'll be alright to go up against some Knights.

 xTHExCLINCHERx wrote:
I would drop the omni-scope on those Centurions... I run that save load-out with Coteaz as Red Hunters all the time and not once have I found that a single lascannon and missile shot was powerful enough to warrant splitfiring... 0/8 games basically was it worth it... I always need all 3 firing at the same target to break it down. I think for the grav load-out it's well worth it... but not here.

I'd then use those points to give the assault squad 2 flamers.

Your Objective Secured units are obviously very weak... and sometimes that's ok, but I think because so much of your army is built for killing high toughness/armor, you may struggle removing swarms from an objective... you'll have to let me know if you find that the case!

For the honor guard, I really like the power mauls, but that's just my personal pref... I definitely appreciate the added strength they give.

Other than that, it looks good to me; lots of tank hunter, lots of range, some nice units to harass infantry (love the ironclad with dual flamers for this!) and some fun units. I think youi'll be alright to go up against some Knights.

Cheers for the help mate
Taking off the Omniscope and adding flamers to the assault squad makes sense. Will try that out.

I know my troops are pretty weak but I just dont have to points spare to sort that out.
What would you take troop wise for objective secured?
I had standard tacticals in there before but thought the scouts might do a better job from behind the scenes with Sniper Rifles

Land Speeder Storms are great if you are running Scouts.

 Julnlecs wrote:
Land Speeder Storms are great if you are running Scouts.

Yeah I need to try to fit one in but just cant afford the points
Need to find 30 points somewhere as if running a Storm will take the rifles off the scouts and stick CC weapons on them freeing up 15 points.
Then need to find 30 points somehow

Drop the camo cloaks. You don't need them. Just go to ground. Thats plus +1 then plus +1 for having stealth.

Also drop a combi melta from the sternguard.

I would drop the 5 extra sternguard bodies and add another Storm plus whatever else you like.


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If you have the models, make the Dev Squad with Lascannons.

Thanks for the advice mate

So you reckon just run with 5 Sternguard only?
Was thinking that with 10 and combat squad they could do quite a bit of damage and take some back

I reckon I have the models for the lascannons but reason that I went for Missiles is that in my club there isnt toooo much armour around and think that could use frags to clear out some hordes....also if there is armour, the Centurions could get rid of them.