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Wow. Just wow.

Two weeks after the release of the Space Wolves codex, GW is releasing the Grey Knights codex. Did anybody see this coming? I dont think there ever has been a time in the 25 year history of Warhammer 40k where two main army codexes were released in such short manner. Of course, one part of me is super excited - especially looking at that awesome cover art - but another part of me says this book is going to be an epic fail. I mean - let's face it - they are REMOVING all the non Grey Knight units from the book. That means Inquisitors, Karamazov, Valeria, Coteaz, all the henchmen, servitors, mystics, jokaeros, ....hell, even the assassins will be removed from the codex and only available as paid dataslate. What's more, the codex is most likely to follow the layout of 7th edition dexes, meaning NO ARTWORK in the bestiarum, no army list section, and the fluff in the bestiarum will be put in italics and crammed to the side to make it especially hard to read, making way for oversized pictures of the miniatures.

And given how rumors say there are no new kits with this release, my hopes of the codex actually introducing new Grey Knight units are very slim. So we're actually downgrading in this new codex? Hell, even the front cover artwork, upon closer inspection, isn't made by the same guy who made the artwork for most of the other codexes - you can already tell by how the Grey Knight lacks that realistic 3D feel that the other ones had.



What do you think?

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 Ravenous D wrote:
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Its not like the GK codex took any work or effort.

Might as well burn $30, tear out pages from your existing book that no longer exist in the new one, and sharpie the new points costs.

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 Sir Arun wrote:
Did anybody see this coming?

The forty page thread in News & Rumours did

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 Ghaz wrote:
 Sir Arun wrote:
Did anybody see this coming?

The forty page thread in News & Rumours did


and its only 2 weeks old

usually rumors show up at least over a month in advance on faeit or natfka so I was taken by surprise

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 Ravenous D wrote:
40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote:
GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
 
   
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 Blacksails wrote:
Its not like the GK codex took any work or effort.

Might as well burn $30, tear out pages from your existing book that no longer exist in the new one, and sharpie the new points costs.



Seems about right.

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Personally I think a lot of this comes down to the way GW seems to be handling codexes in 7th edition period, so far they've seemed somewhat uninspired. I've not had a look at the 7th codexes much save a pirated copy of a space wolf digitel one, and I'm not sure what to think of the new format. IMHO I think it's a DRASTICLY inferior format for those who like the fluff, but I think as a gaming aid the new format MIGHT actually be better.

in terms of the contents, I'm crossing my fingers that it's not as much a let down as it seems to be

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BrianDavion wrote:
Personally I think a lot of this comes down to the way GW seems to be handling codexes in 7th edition period, so far they've seemed somewhat uninspired. I've not had a look at the 7th codexes much save a pirated copy of a space wolf digitel one, and I'm not sure what to think of the new format. IMHO I think it's a DRASTICLY inferior format for those who like the fluff, but I think as a gaming aid the new format MIGHT actually be better.

in terms of the contents, I'm crossing my fingers that it's not as much a let down as it seems to be


It's hard to be inspired when accountants are the primary driving force of your company. The reason for the back to back releases is that they want to get on to the Supplements, which have the potential for higher net revenues.

   
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As has been mentioned in the financial threads, increased release schedule and drop in quality are the 2 signs of a business in a 'death spiral'.

This is not a good sign...

 Fafnir wrote:
Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
 
   
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Its not about the Fluff. The codex should be just about the army units and paint patterns. If you want Fluff then the novels come out every month it seems that has a mix of stories for all of the armies of 40k. To me that makes great Fluff. While the codex should just be what is taken on the day of play. I mean i got tired of placing book marks in my codex years ago to show people the special unit rules for the army. When 1/2 of the space taken up was just the stuff not needed for the game at hand. Just stick to the info needed to use the army I'm for this less paper hopefully lowers price for the army books. I buy the novels any ways give me tons of fluff.

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Fireraven wrote:
Its not about the Fluff. The codex should be just about the army units and paint patterns. If you want Fluff then the novels come out every month it seems that has a mix of stories for all of the armies of 40k. To me that makes great Fluff. While the codex should just be what is taken on the day of play. I mean i got tired of placing book marks in my codex years ago to show people the special unit rules for the army. When 1/2 of the space taken up was just the stuff not needed for the game at hand. Just stick to the info needed to use the army I'm for this less paper hopefully lowers price for the army books. I buy the novels any ways give me tons of fluff.


Except novels arent fluff.

You wouldnt know who is who in a novel without having read some mandatory fluff beforehand. So no, novels arent a place for people to start with, who want to know more about the army they play. Novels are for die hard background enthusiasts who want to delve into the world of 40k proper, while already having established a firm hold of the game's background in their heads.

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 Ravenous D wrote:
40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote:
GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
 
   
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It's already released?! I knew it was coming but now?! So soon?! What about the white dwarf issue? Pics please.

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 jonolikespie wrote:
As has been mentioned in the financial threads, increased release schedule and drop in quality are the 2 signs of a business in a 'death spiral'.

This is not a good sign...


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 warboss wrote:

GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.


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 jonolikespie wrote:
As has been mentioned in the financial threads, increased release schedule and drop in quality are the 2 signs of a business in a 'death spiral'.

This is not a good sign...


I wish they'd hurry up and die already, then we can enjoy the new and improved 40k. Maybe the new owners of the IP could even entice some of the old school guys back into the fold.
   
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GK have a lot of issues in the new edition as none of the pyschic powers transfer to anything, and they have a lot of psykers.

Many players seemed unable to locate the faqs that inform players of how GKs work now, so it was pretty imperative that they released GK to update them. That and it increases sales of INQ codexes for people who used to run the INQ units out of GK as they now have to take them as another detachment and then probably buy some more GK models for their Gk troops.

Almost no effort = more sales.
   
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blaktoof wrote:
GK have a lot of issues in the new edition as none of the pyschic powers transfer to anything, and they have a lot of psykers.

Many players seemed unable to locate the faqs that inform players of how GKs work now, so it was pretty imperative that they released GK to update them. That and it increases sales of INQ codexes for people who used to run the INQ units out of GK as they now have to take them as another detachment and then probably buy some more GK models for their Gk troops.

Almost no effort = more sales.

Except that is not how it should work. If an army needs an FAQ any sane gaming company would GIVE THEM AN FAQ, not try and force people to buy a new, hardback rulebook that fixes them and removes content.

 Fafnir wrote:
Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
 
   
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Well, sometimes one position all the time just gets boring. GW's just switching it up.

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 warboss wrote:

GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.


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I think it is unprecedented in terms of the pace of releases, however I would not be surprised for the book to be sub-par and lots of extra content to be released as datasheets and so on. I don't play GW so I wouldn't know about those kind of details.

There isn't much reason that GW could not release all the codexes at the same time as each new edition of the rules, except for any new model kits that were required. The drawback is that an edition is like a long distance race lasting four years, not a sprint lasting three months, so generally GW release a book every six months to keep a regular flow of sales going, for the obvious reason that most players only buy the one or two codexes for the armies they play.

In the past this resulted on some codexes being ignored for one or even two editions. Things sped up in 6th, and clearly the company's sales position is so dire now that releases are coming even faster than before in order to make the December report look better. The problem will come when all the big codexes have been released in a year or two. Maybe they will try to keep going with datasheets.

Perhaps 8th edition will come in late 2015?


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I'm almost expecting them to try and adopt MTG's approach soon.

Warhammer 40,000 2015.

They're releasing codices faster than Wizards releases sets at this point already.

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On the bright side. All of the codexes should be out before they declare bankruptcy. Probably still won't have my Bretonnian book by then though.
   
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Well guys gonna blow yr top if they release Blood Angel codex. September 2 or 3rd week.

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What new units do GK get for losing the inquisition , henchman and assasins?
   
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Makumba wrote:
What new units do GK get for losing the inquisition , henchman and assasins?


har har nice one

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 Ravenous D wrote:
40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote:
GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
 
   
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Makumba wrote:
What new units do GK get for losing the inquisition , henchman and assasins?


They didn't lose them, they were just removed from the Codex to scam more money out of players via Dataslates and supplements. You know, real-life DLC.

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But those are only sold online. Our stores can't even order the book sm ones here. They only have them in the GW shop in Warsaw, or rather they had them 2 books for each and all were sold on the same day.
   
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Makumba wrote:
But those are only sold online. Our stores can't even order the book sm ones here. They only have them in the GW shop in Warsaw, or rather they had them 2 books for each and all were sold on the same day.


Tough. :(

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Hey, that's not true. GW aren't screwing their competition, they are giving guys like Corvus Bellie, Spartan Games, Mantic and Privateer Press a real boost

 Fafnir wrote:
Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
 
   
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Fireraven wrote:Its not about the Fluff. The codex should be just about the army units and paint patterns. If you want Fluff then the novels come out every month it seems that has a mix of stories for all of the armies of 40k.
Personally, I drastically prefer GW's own fluff compared to the contradictory ideas put forth by the outsourced freelancers of Black Library. Though the setting does not have a proper canon, meaning all fluff is equally valid, I would find it a monumental mistake to just remove the vision of the original creators. Especially seeing as my favourite army is one that regularly sees codex-defying "misrepresentation" from these licensed sources.

The game - and various GW designers have acknowledged this in interviews in the past - has always been about a mixture of "crunch" and "fluff", the latter providing the framework for people's fantasies. If imagination would not be important and it's all just about numbers, we might just as well play with these:

   
 
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