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So I've seen it mentioned before, but I wanted to know what you guys thought would be good to get rolled into one codex?

All Space marines into one book.

I just want my Angels of Death Codex again

None, leave it as it is.
Wolves, Blood Angels, Grey Knights and Dark Angels are too distinct from Space Marines.
The amount of pages you would have to include in the Codex would make the book too impractical to carry around and you're better of having them with a separate codex.

over all I think most of the SM dexes are fairly distinct now and can be left as is. the one 'Dex I think could be rolled into C:SM is CA. the DAs IMHO struggle the most to carve out a distinct and independant niche for themselves. I'm hoping GW'll eventually manage to pull it off. they need to do something, IMHO to really make it pop, as the real things going for them are "well our 1st company uses terminators, and we use a lot of bikes"

Kangodo wrote:
None, leave it as it is.
Wolves, Blood Angels, Grey Knights and Dark Angels are too distinct from Space Marines.
The amount of pages you would have to include in the Codex would make the book too impractical to carry around and you're better of having them with a separate codex.

Especially with the new format.

2 SM Codices:

Codex-Adherent
Codex-Ignoring

The first covers all the Codex-following Chapters (like UM), the other covers them that don't (like SW).

2 CSM Codices:

Veterans of the Long War
Renegades & Traitors

The first covers the Traitor Legions and all the Heresy-era CSM

The other covers all the more-recent converts.

Another option please:

Officio Assassinorum into Grey Knights

Inquisition (except the vanilla Daemonhunters Inquisitor) into Adepta Sororitas (I understand Inquisition was also part of Grey Knights, but lets have Adepta Sororitas not get the butt end of the deal and give them some additional toys as well, as long as the GKs keep their Assassins)


I am sick and tired of GW splitting the contents of a £20 codex into two £30 codexes each.



YES I KNOW it makes sense fluffwise to keep these things separate (and also gameplay wise, with the whole allies thing and all), as there was a time when assassins were part of the IG dex before they were moved over to GKs. But frankly...IG is a vast and versatile army even without assassins, and GKs stripped off their Inquisitors AND assassins make for a very drab and boring codex, almost like 3rd edition Necrons.

And if the Sisters finally get their own hardcover codex with the Inquisition in it, I'll be a happy kid.

Right now, GW has a mental patient as their creative director.

Daemons and CSM together, all SM together.

Or go the whole hog and give each Chaos God a codex, and then give Undivided one. With Daemons, Lost & Damned and CSM together.

Astra Millitarum and Military Tempetus. All in all, they could have the MT bits in a separate section of the book.

like the AM warlord traits and the MT traits would be separate and of course require taking X unit over the other. the AM codex practically has 2/3rds of the MT stuff in it anyways.

Shove all those SM in there, I mean you can represent all four chaos gods, and every single legion with "one book", your "distinct styles" Mean jack squat.

I'd say Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels could all reasonably be folded into C:SM with minimal effort. Fundamentally, you can set most of their special rules as a "Chapter Tactics" deal, cover their unique units in the same way Crusader Squads are covered for BT's (e.g. only available to army with X chapter tactics), etc. Most of these armies "unique" things are just weapon or USR swaps as opposed to truly unique units anyway (e.g. Baal pred vs normal pred), often with fewer differences between their "mundane" variant than between different codex iterations of themselves.

The bigger problem would be having a gigantic character section, but I don't think that's really much of a problem.

Could very easily be done.



I'd like to see Chaos as one army again, that'd be neat.

As noted the "Temptestus Scions" (read: Latin gibberish for Stormtroopers) didn't needs its own book and doesn't function well as its own book and could easily be made part of C:IG. Besides, IA12 does the "Stormtroopers as Troops" thing better.

Personally, I think I'm okay with how they're doing it now. The only three Marine armies that actually have their own books now are really fairly distinct from one another in terms of flavor and army style, enough so that I think they deserve their own books. Maybe I'm just biased as a Wolves player, but I feel it worth pointing out that the Wolves are almost a rogue chapter themselves - not only do they have the different names for things, but their entire chapter structure is fairly different compared to everyone else. Wolf Scouts are distinguished veterans instead of low-ranked initiates, there's a greater emphasis on squad mates being like members of a pack (Wolves can't combat squad because of it), and there are units that represent what happens when all but one member of a squad is gone - the Lone Wolf.

Again, I'm probably biased, but I'm of the opinion that the three extra Marine books are fine as is. *Maybe* the Dark Angels could be folded in with rules for changing the FOC (allowing Terminators or Bikes as troops, respectively; IIRC the White Scars already have the latter), but the Blood Angels and Space Wolves follow pretty different paths compared to the rest of the Marine armies.

Codex Astartes - contains all Space Marine Chapters that adhere to the Codex:Astartes
Codex: Space Marines - contains all Space Marine Chapters that do not (eg Space Wolves)
Codex: Hunters - combines SoB, GK, Inquisition, and Assassins
Codex: Imperial Guard - combines AM and MT
Codex: Chaos - combines Chaos Daemons and Chaos Space Marines as well as including rules for Traitor Guard.
Codex: Eldar - contains Craftworld Eldar, Dark Eldar, Corsair Eldar, Harlequins, and Exodite.
Codex: Tech Xenos (or something) - Necrons and Tau
Codex: Hordes (or something) - Tyranids and Orks

Of course this means that the codicies (codii?) would have to be a bit bigger, but it groups nicely. IMO. Which isn't worth much.

Added: I think they should drop codex:sm entirely and make just the deviant codexes. I think the UM will figure out how to make it work with one of the other books. BT can have the entire vanilla book to themselves.

 Happyjew wrote:


Of course this means that the codicies (codii?) would have to be a bit bigger.

Why don't you just look it up, or even really pay attention?

Is this a pedant-trap?

pelicaniforce wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:


Of course this means that the codicies (codii?) would have to be a bit bigger.

Why don't you just look it up, or even really pay attention?

Is this a pedant-trap?

No, it's me recalling too many arguments about how GW (im)properly pluralizes words.

Codex:Inqusiition
-Grey knights
-Inquisition

Codex: Crusuaders
-Black Templars
-Adepta Sororitas

The space marine codex would be bigger than the BRB with SW, DA and BA added. I don't want to carry a 200 page book with 75% useless information on top of the BRB to games. How would it make any sense to start cramming more stuff into what is already by far the largest and most expensive codex? Has anyone actually looked at the amount of unique units and war gear in the 3 other marine codexes? I think GK codex should've been beefed up instead of stripped down to the bare bones and all space marine codexes should stay the way they are. I don't want my army to be a 4 page afterthought in a giant tome with a bunch of info I don't need or want to pay for.

Lots of people keep going on about how unique DA SW and BA are from the other SM but I have yet to see someone say why.

With chapter tactics the newest SW has bundled some very, very different legions into the same codex.

It just leads me to think people want to feel like a special star and have their Space Marine Legion have its own Codex.

I don't have a problem with excess codexes, especially since the vanilla marine codex is as diverse and I, and I suspect a lot of non-marine players, wish their codex was.

I'd have no problem at all with more marine codexes, though personally I'd want a Cadia or Mordian codex first.

Toofast wrote:
The space marine codex would be bigger than the BRB with SW, DA and BA added.

Hardly, it might add a couple dozen extra pages to something that's insultingly thin for $50.

Additionally, you might as well get $50 out of the book, other companies release $50 hardbacks with twice the page count. I've got a 3 year old full color Flames of War book here with probably two or three dozen different armies from half a dozen nations here, and was $50.

I don't want to carry a 200 page book with 75% useless information on top of the BRB to games

Maybe 25%? Most of the stuff is very minor variants.

Also, nobody is going to feel bad for you having to deal with more content and access to more stuff. That's, quite frankly, a silly argument.

How would it make any sense to start cramming more stuff into what is already by far the largest and most expensive codex? Has anyone actually looked at the amount of unique units and war gear in the 3 other marine codexes?

Yeah, most of the variants are exceedingly minor, being primarily weapon and/or USR swaps/additions.

 Happyjew wrote:
Codex Astartes - contains all Space Marine Chapters that adhere to the Codex:Astartes
Codex: Space Marines - contains all Space Marine Chapters that do not (eg Space Wolves)
Codex: Hunters - combines SoB, GK, Inquisition, and Assassins
Codex: Imperial Guard - combines AM and MT
Codex: Chaos - combines Chaos Daemons and Chaos Space Marines as well as including rules for Traitor Guard.
Codex: Eldar - contains Craftworld Eldar, Dark Eldar, Corsair Eldar, Harlequins, and Exodite.
Codex: Tech Xenos (or something) - Necrons and Tau
Codex: Hordes (or something) - Tyranids and Orks

Of course this means that the codicies (codii?) would have to be a bit bigger, but it groups nicely. IMO. Which isn't worth much.

Interesting grouping. It'd at least be a new idea. Also, I'd like the ability to play a couple different marines. I love my DA, especially the fluff, but wouldn't knock the idea of trying out some CF or BT tactics.

Also, I feel like DA are different, at least as much as BA or SW, but I wouldn't throw out the idea of at least throwing DA into some other SM codex so I can try out their tactics.

 changerofways wrote:
Lots of people keep going on about how unique DA SW and BA are from the other SM but I have yet to see someone say why.

Those things have been explained many times before.
You could always open up a Blood Angels-codex and see for yourself?

My Codex, at the moment, is around 100 pages.
How do you suggest we add this to the Codex: Space Marines?

With chapter tactics the newest SW has bundled some very, very different legions into the same codex.
It just leads me to think people want to feel like a special star and have their Space Marine Legion have its own Codex.

Leads me to believe someone is just jealous because he can't be a special star with his two unique units.

 krodarklorr wrote:
All Space marines into one book.

/thread

Kangodo wrote:

 changerofways wrote:
Lots of people keep going on about how unique DA SW and BA are from the other SM but I have yet to see someone say why.

Those things have been explained many times before.
You could always open up a Blood Angels-codex and see for yourself?

My Codex, at the moment, is around 100 pages.
How do you suggest we add this to the Codex: Space Marines?

With chapter tactics the newest SW has bundled some very, very different legions into the same codex.
It just leads me to think people want to feel like a special star and have their Space Marine Legion have its own Codex.

Leads me to believe someone is just jealous because he can't be a special star with his two unique units.

Like the rest, cut the fluff, combine options that are simply sidegrades.

Maybe this is just because I have lot of armies, but I'd like to see the following

Codex: Astartes. Contains the rules and information for all Space Marine Chapters and making your own. DA, BA, SW and BT have all their unique units included like the BT stuff in the current codex, unlocked by Chapter Tactics

Codex: Imperium. IG, Inquisition, GK, Sisters and Assassins

Codex: Chaos. CSM, Demons, and full traitor guard rules. Includes Legion and Warband rules.

Codex: Ancient Enemies. Necrons, Eldar and DE

Codex: Rising Threat. Nids, Tau and Orks

Each of these would be about double the size of a current book, but there would also be softback 'just the rules' versions available.

 changerofways wrote:
Lots of people keep going on about how unique DA SW and BA are from the other SM but I have yet to see someone say why.

With chapter tactics the newest SW has bundled some very, very different legions into the same codex.

It just leads me to think people want to feel like a special star and have their Space Marine Legion have its own Codex.

Logan and his sleigh
Bjorn
Ulrik
Ragnar
Murderfang
Shield dread
Scouts are elites
Blood claw and wolf guard bikes have totally different Stat lines and weapon options from C:SM bikes
Jump pack troops have different stats from C:SM
TWC
Harald
Canis
Helfrost weapons
Frost axes/swords
USRs
Warlord traits
Psychic powers
FOCs/formations
Relics

Now multiply that by 3. How many pages are we up to there? If you think SW, BA and DA only differ from C:SM in USRs and a couple pieces of war gear you obviously haven't read any of the codexes. Nearly every Stat line from C:SM is different for SW. Now maybe you can tell me how they could be incorporated into C:SM without adding tons of pages.

I don't think there's really an issue as far as current codexes being to many. What needs to stop is publishing these one unit codex just to pad their pockets.

I could get behind a Codex: Imperium. While there's something to be said about keeping IG in its own book (with MT), there are good reason to have either a combined Guard book with an Imperium book (Sisters, GK, Inq, maybe Mechanicus), or just throw it all in together, which help cover some in between faction like Arbites and other fun, fluffy stuff.

Definitely all loyalist marines in one book (two tops, divergent and non divergent), then give Chaos some more love.

The rest of the factions can keep their books, as they're all suitably different.

I love reading there threads.
I have the opposite opinion, I feel there should be more.
Example:
Codex: Space Marines/Ultra-Marines followed be Supplements [Released in rapid succession as part of the ordinal release, like once a week.]
>Salamanders
>Iron Hands
>Space Wolves
>Blood Angels
ect.
Each having there own unique Units and Rules

That and I have to ask, what is wrong with BA/DA/SW each having there own, if you don't want them and are not going to but them, why does it matter.