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I'm making a guide for some of my friends on how to economically start painting minis with GW paints. What do you guys think. Keep in mind this is a bare-bones approach to painting by spending as little money as possible to get as good of a mini as possible.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KwpN30CAUF4RPASpaWQr5uGlFJgCe5agswWLYkI-hc4/edit

Thanks for reading!

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At first glance - of your post, that is, not even the doc - I would say that GW paints aren't the most economical way to get into miniature painting. For someone just starting out, cost per volume is less important than cost per color. In either case, GW lags behind the competition, by a sizable margin. Of course, GW has an edge in visibility and availability, for many, so your efforts aren't necessarily as misguided, in my mind, as my initial warning might suggest.

Now, on to the document! I'll tackle it by section.

Preamble: I might change "a table" to "an area." The more free space, the better, but it might be discouraging for neophytes if they think that this has to be a space-intensive hobby (get them hooked, then let the mess grow of its own accord ). More than a few painters get by just fine using no more than a (GW style) lap desk or tray and a shoebox for paint storage. My own workspace is so crowded that I rarely have any more room for painting than what is occupied by my wet palette, water cup, and an 8.5x11" cutting mat.

Brushes: On the drybrush issue, not everyone has old brushes lying around. Even if they do, they're likely to vary significantly in size, material, etc. I'd stress the semi-disposable nature, noting that old or cheap brushes are equally suitable, and describing what you think works best. I've used crappy, thick-bristled Crayola brushes for rough drybrushing of coarse bases, but they'd leave nasty streaks on a model. I've used mushroomed tiny synthetic rounds for detail drybrushing, but they're useless for even the 28mm version of "medium" tasks. My favorite "good" general use drybrush is a white nylon or Golden Taklon filbert of the appropriate size - still cheap enough that I don't mind abusing them, but also well suited to the task.

Tools: Definitely need a knife, and X-acto is a good bet. The #1 handle and #7 blades - the most commonly available - will handle most tasks well and don't cost much. There are plenty of alternatives (some of them cheaper), but I honestly don't think that anything trumps that classic combo, in terms of ubiquity, price, and function. I'm not so sure about the flush cutter, though. They can be handy, sure, but they're far from a necessity. Actually, the expectation of a guaranteed flush cut can lead to frustration, as that is rarely the result (cuts are only flush on very thin material - thicker stuff gets stretched and torn in the center of the cut, as blades are just wedges and the displaced material gets forced outward). On thick material (including many of the gates on a standard GW plastic sprue), a set of nail clippers or diagonal cutters (which most people will already have available) will serve just as well, since any of those tools will require cutting back from the part and cleaning up afterward to get a decent finish. A good set of files or even a cheap manicurist's foam-backed emery board would likely do more good than a flush cutter.

Glue: I've used plenty of Elmer's Glue-All for attaching basing material. No complaints, there. I wonder, though, if plastic cement would be as forgiving to a beginner as gel CA glue. Superglue sets faster, is easier to break and redo, in case of a mishap, is widely available and inexpensive, and works on all common model materials. Gel formulas are better at filling gaps and less likely to run than liquids, making them even more beginner-friendly. Even if you do want to suggest a solvent cement/plastic glue, I don't think the Model Master is the way to go. Having used Testors Liquid Cement, which comes in a similar container, I can say that the plastic nozzle and container shape are a to use - I'll never buy the stuff again. A metal-tipped container, like with Revell's Contacta, or a brush-on pot would likely work better.

General Painting Supplies: I find this section a little confusing. "Paint pot" generally refers to the little jars that paints come in. Sounds like you're talking about what most would call a "water cup." Regardless, why are you suggesting cutting holes for brushes that keeps them from touching the bottom? If it's simply for brush storage, sticking them in bristles-up removes the need. If it's for rinsing, there's no need to hold them in place - just clean and store them elsewhere. Laying brushes on their side when not in use is fine and a simple cup - plastic, ceramic, glass... anything that holds water, really - is all that's needed for cleaning.

Build a Wet Palette: I'd suggest recommending something larger than a yogurt container lid. Ideally, something that can be sealed to store paint between sessions. Tupperware and its generic equivalents work quite well. If one-shot palettes are preferred, the increased surface area of a cheap plastic or foam plate would serve better. While I fully realize that the debate continues, I disagree completely with the last bit in this section. I use metallics on my wet palette just as easily as other paints. I also don't think that wet palettes should be advertised as "auto-thinners" for paint. Perhaps others get different results, but I don't find my paint gaining much additional moisture unless I leave it sealed for an extended period of time. Perhaps more importantly, relying solely on the palette for thinning can cripple a budding painter's understanding of the manipulation of paint consistency. In my mind, and supported by my personal experience, the wet palette is about maintenance or equilibrium, depending on how you prefer to view it - osmosis matches the pace of evaporation closely enough that the paint stays, for the duration of almost any paint session, in whatever consistency you've mixed it.

Paints: Not sure what, specifically, to change, here, as color suggestions would have to vary widely, depending on the chosen scheme. I might skip the UM-specific suggestions, focusing on the simplified "GW method" of base, shade, and highlight (i.e. layer). More generic examples, done as you already have (e.g. "Leadbelcher and Ironbreaker for steel"), would still be helpful. Also, suggesting Imperial Primer doesn't seem wise. I haven't used it, in all honestly, but I've heard more than a few complaints and pretty much nothing to recommend it. For "priming" plastics, aerosol enamels work just fine. Chaos Black or Skull White spray would work better and more easily, while just about any flat spray paint would do likewise for a fraction of either's cost. I've had great luck using the $1 cans from Walmart (ColorPlace is their house brand) and countless others rely on Krylon, Rustoleum, or other location-specific equivalents (e.g. Halfords, in the UK).

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Thanks for the input. I'll add the bit about the tupperware and be sure to revise the bit about the UM specific colors. Should I come up with a few generic color suggestion lists/ charts? i.e Ultramarines, Orks, Tyranids etc?

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I have a question about starting to paint your models. If you never did it in your life, like me. How do you make sure the models come out good and don't get their value destroyed. And are there any good guids for non professionals that don't start with get and airbrush.
   
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Practice. This will ruin the value of your models, though, so... it's a catch-22. You can strip the paint off, though.

Honestly, Mak, I wouldn't worry about resale value. The value of minis goes down as soon as you intend to sell them on ebay. If they are outside of the box that reduces their value. If they are assembled that really drives down the price. as soon as a single drop of paint touches the model the value goes down and if you paint it in anything other than GD quality you'll be lucky if you get above 40% of retail price for them.

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My models are resin for infantry and plastic for all vehicles. I know that the price goes 50% as soon as someone isn't buying from a store. I just don't want to destroy them and in the case of my infantry there is almost no way for me to get them back, if I mess up. I could technicly buy the same models in metal as soon as I win in the lotto, but that takes time.

Are vehicles easier to paint well?
   
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Vehicles are easy enough with an airbrush.
Build the basic chassis, and paint turrets and add-ons separately. Undercoat, basecoat, wash certain sections, add detail. highlight. Most of those are done with the airbrush.
There are loads of threads on buying airbrushes on here. I've posted in them with what I got a few times.

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Sorry my english aint very good. I have seen a lot of guids dealing only with air brush painting for new people, but only master class and high stuff for normal brush using painting.

Even if I had money to buy a compresor, I would have no place to keep it. I just have this month free to paint stuff at my boyfriends house, but I think I won't. Too hard to start and too big chance to mess up stuff.
   
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Makumba wrote:
My models are resin for infantry and plastic for all vehicles. I know that the price goes 50% as soon as someone isn't buying from a store. I just don't want to destroy them and in the case of my infantry there is almost no way for me to get them back, if I mess up. I could technicly buy the same models in metal as soon as I win in the lotto, but that takes time.

Are vehicles easier to paint well?

It might be worth getting one or two of the little 3 model pushfit kits that GW sells for marines and such they are only at the price point equivalent to AU$14. They are pretty cheap so allow you to buy a few and just practice.painting, you won't get a great standard immeadiatley of course but should help you get more confident quite quickly especially since they are plastic so you can repeatedly strip them and retry.

It's cheap and the only value they have is at practice so you don't need to worry about 'ruining' them.

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I seem to have misread your comment, so ignore me
Not with an airbrush you said. My bad.

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 Krellnus wrote:
Makumba wrote:
My models are resin for infantry and plastic for all vehicles. I know that the price goes 50% as soon as someone isn't buying from a store. I just don't want to destroy them and in the case of my infantry there is almost no way for me to get them back, if I mess up. I could technicly buy the same models in metal as soon as I win in the lotto, but that takes time.

Are vehicles easier to paint well?

It might be worth getting one or two of the little 3 model pushfit kits that GW sells for marines and such they are only at the price point equivalent to AU$14. They are pretty cheap so allow you to buy a few and just practice.painting, you won't get a great standard immeadiatley of course but should help you get more confident quite quickly especially since they are plastic so you can repeatedly strip them and retry.

It's cheap and the only value they have is at practice so you don't need to worry about 'ruining' them.


I wish I played marines. Black spry , small red eyes,then silver bolter and. model is done. My IG has a lot of skin and face and freaking eyes. To paint and different kinds of cloth on them. Normal uniforms and tartans.

With tanks I am struggling to imagine how one get basic colors right, so the vehicle doesn't look as if it was left to long in a sunny parking spot.
   
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Look at weathering powders for vehicles.
I have not tried them yet, but Forge World swears by them.

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Okay. This is a long-term ish project now.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KwpN30CAUF4RPASpaWQr5uGlFJgCe5agswWLYkI-hc4/edit
Take a look. I threw in a few more edits and added a color chart for your basic shield. *cough cough* guardsman *cough cough*

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Thank you very much for the guide . 15 paints is a lot, didn't expect such a high entry cost.
   
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Makumba wrote:
Thank you very much for the guide . 15 paints is a lot, didn't expect such a high entry cost.


If you're truly at the entry gate you don't need 15 paints. For example, Space Marines could get by with a basecoat spray can, black, white, red (detail and lenses), gold, couple blues (base and a highlight), leadbelcher and a wash. The Krylon spray is $5 and will cover 50+ models. Dark Angels switch 2 greens for the 2 blues. Any other army you can probably get by with replacing those 2 blues with 2 others. Then you can add more paints as you need them, expand your army, etc.

Also shop around...I've gotten Vallerjo paints from overseas as low as $1.50 a bottle with a flat $6 shipping in the past. Compared to $4 Games Workshop paint it's a fantastic deal. Also not unusual to be able to order paint at 20-25% off.

I started with an exacto knife, some cheap brushes and around 8 paints. More important to start small and learn what you're doing compared to buying a complete setup right from the start.

EDIT: Nice guide

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Makumba wrote:
Thank you very much for the guide . 15 paints is a lot, didn't expect such a high entry cost.
You can omit some paints. I omitted some detail paints, like a red for prayer ribbons on my Ultramarines. Also, you don't HAVE to buy a lot of the paints.

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