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So far the codex specific force org charts have been hit and miss, it seems. the Ork FOC was dubious at best, space wolves were a tad bit ridiculous, with 6 HQ slots, but I can see it being useful sometime, and then on the other end of the spectrum, we have Grey Knights with 4 elite slots and ludicrous bonuses to deep-striking, which friends at my FLGS were saying is the best thing about the new book, and would be an auto-take for a long time.

Now, what do we predict GW will do for CSM? FOC swaps are going out of style, so cult troops are likely to not be troops anymore, which turns CSM into Grey Knights with less psychic control, unless you take thousand sons, but GK do that better anyways. I'm thinking it will be the standard CAD with more elite slots, and less of everything else, or maybe, 3 troops, 4 elite, 2 FA/HS and only one HQ slot?

What do we think?

Probably an extra HS or Elite slot, with no real other changes. They're really crowded spots for CSM, with a lot of good choices in each. Possessed, Termies, cult troops, and maybe even Chosen, in the elite, and havocs, dinobots, oblits, and LRs in the HS. There's a lot of hard decisions in there, and army could really benefit from a little more in those departments.

I really hope they get some formations involving the cult units. Since the FOC changes are out, I wondered about chaos and dark Angels. As both of them are centered around characters making units troops. Chaos specifically tho, maybe either cult specific formations or supplements. Something to not negate many peoples armies

If I had to hazard a guess it would most likely be something like - the Chaos Warband detachment is the same as the standard CAD but before deployment roll a D6 and consult the following table:

1. HQ
2. Troops
3. Elites
4. Fast Attack
5. Heavy Support
6. Lord of War

A randomly selected unit from that Force Organization slot is sacrificed to the dark gods. The unit is destroyed. The army's warlord then gains an additional roll on the Chaos Boon table rerolling any Dark Apotheosis results.

I'm going to guess something along the lines of a 'cult' chart is going to appear. Heavy emphasis on Cultists in troops, no Space Marines as troop choices but gives a bonus such as Elite Objective Secured or respawning Cultists when a unit is destroyed similar to Tyranid Skyblight and Endless Swarm. Something gfluffy but in now way, shape or form actually good.

CSMs offer HUUUUGE possiabilities for detachments. you could literally give each legion it's own detachment

BrianDavion wrote:
CSMs offer HUUUUGE possiabilities for detachments. you could literally give each legion it's own detachment

And then toss in a Renegade detachment on top of it too. That actually might be the best way to represent the Legions properly now that I (rather briefly) think about it. I kind of hope Chapter Tactics turn into FOC charts as well.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
CSMs offer HUUUUGE possiabilities for detachments. you could literally give each legion it's own detachment

And then toss in a Renegade detachment on top of it too. That actually might be the best way to represent the Legions properly now that I (rather briefly) think about it. I kind of hope Chapter Tactics turn into FOC charts as well.

My mind, like a John with a fat wallet, has been blown. I wouldn't be opposed to something like this.

+1 HS slots and +1 Elite slots.

So that we can maximize our boring competitive mono-build.

 reiner wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
CSMs offer HUUUUGE possiabilities for detachments. you could literally give each legion it's own detachment

And then toss in a Renegade detachment on top of it too. That actually might be the best way to represent the Legions properly now that I (rather briefly) think about it. I kind of hope Chapter Tactics turn into FOC charts as well.

My mind, like a John with a fat wallet, has been blown. I wouldn't be opposed to something like this.

It'd be an easy way to slip in extra rules on top of the standard stuff, and influence people to build their armies to better match the way that army normally organizes (like Iron Warriors having more Heavy Support but less Fast Attack options for instance).

BrianDavion wrote:
CSMs offer HUUUUGE possiabilities for detachments. you could literally give each legion it's own detachment

Except for the fact that the studio hates Chaos legions and wishes they would go the way of the squats. CSM are homogeneous warbands that are all represented perfectly by the rules in the current codex. All the fans who keep asking for legions are doing it wrong.