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2014/10/22 21:54:17
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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Are all casters and warlocks created equal in this game or are there any that have way too much stuff and skills for their price or too little stuff... Just wondering if picking a caster based on fluff and building a list around his stats can get you killed because the caster was too weak.
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For the guy who leaves it all on the field (because he doesn't pick up after the game).
Keep on rolling |
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2014/10/22 22:22:47
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Knight Exemplar
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Well since no warcaster costs anything, price is no option.
Really the Warcasters are all viable, they just alter how they rest of your army will work together.
If you take a buff caster, then you can expect that they hide out of the way while turning your units into super units. On the flip side, they may be a super powerful assassin caster who wants to get stuck in, meaning the same army become more of an escort who are there to help deliver your caster into the fight alive by taking the damage for them.
You really have to consider each casters abilities carefully to know what to do with them.
Use the caster for the wrong thing and you will loose, no matter which one you use. Use them for the right thing, and every caster will help you win the day.
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2014/10/22 22:23:41
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Well casters don't have a price... They're all free. There are a few considered to be very good (eHayley springs to mind, Denegrha, eMorvahna...), and some less so (Gunnbjorn, Harkevich, Strakhov...) but most are well balanced.
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2014/10/22 22:25:21
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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Is it the synergy that makes Casters / Warlocks good or is it their individual talent?
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For the guy who leaves it all on the field (because he doesn't pick up after the game).
Keep on rolling |
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2014/10/22 22:28:02
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Depends on the caster. Most are about synergy and improving your army but there are a couple (such as eCaine) that are very good at assassinations. Like aprilmanha said you have to look at each on an individual basis.
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2014/10/23 00:05:01
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Big Fat Gospel of Menoth
The other side of the internet
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Waaagh 18 wrote:Is it the synergy that makes Casters / Warlocks good or is it their individual talent?
Very few casters can operate independently of their army. Most rely on their army to do the brunt of the work while they support it.
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2014/10/23 00:31:48
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Its not true that warcasters/warlocks are free. They have a negative point cost.
So the higher their WJ/WB points, the "cheaper" the warnoun is.
As for power, there is a slight disconnect between their jack/beast points and how good said caster is. I think all casters are a fair cost for their abilities, but some abilities are better overall than others.
pMorghoul has the highest WB points in the game at 7 pts(meaning he's the cheapest warlock) but hes an amazing warlock. He can run a bunch of beasts very efficiently in a faction that runs beasts very efficiently normally.
eReznik on the other hand is on the "expensive" side at 4 jack points. He's viewed as below average. He's sooooo close to being amazing. But he's missing a couple things to be a top tournament pick.
Basically each faction has a group of casters which are considered top tier. The rest are simply viewed as average/below average, and each faction also has a couple stinkers.
Just about all casters can be made to make work. But it requires more player skill with some than others.
High Reclaimer for example. He's currently one of the top Menoth casters, but he's very difficult to get to work correctly, and he's not forgiving of mistakes.
There are 3 basic types of casters in this game.
Support casters: They support their army with buff spells and other inherent abilities. Typically they hang back and don't get sucked into melee unless they absolutely must.
Spell slingers: This type of caster uses offensive spells to whittle down the enemy. Sort of the opposite of a support caster, instead of buffing friends they debuff enemies.
Assassins: This type of caster is one who has a gameplan revolving entirely around winning by assassination/destruction of the enemy army.
Most casters are a mixture of these three types to some degree or other.
Some examples,
Harbinger: Buff/Spell Slinger caster. She casts a few spells and hands out a ton of focus. While she doesn't have much ability to catch enemy warcasters, she does have a very strong ability to kill anything she can catch.
Butcher(all 3): Assassination/minor support. He's all about Axe to the face.
Kreoss3: This guy is an even handed mixture of all 3 types. he's got great support spells, great offensive spells, and he's got the speed and power to catch and kill casters.
Haley1+2: Support/spell slinger.
Spell slingers and support casters basically work in tandem with their army, let them do the heavy lifting while the caster applies support where needed.
Assassins generally use their army to support themselves, basically as an enabler for their assassination attempt.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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2014/10/24 00:02:32
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Satyxis Raider
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Early on, Pick the one that you think will be the most interesting to play.
It is easy to switch casters if you change your mind. And relatively cheap $$$ wise.
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2014/10/24 01:49:23
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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So is picking them based on fluff and miniature wrong?
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For the guy who leaves it all on the field (because he doesn't pick up after the game).
Keep on rolling |
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2014/10/24 03:10:57
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I don't think so, that's how I picked my first caster.
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2014/10/24 03:22:17
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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How'd that turn out?
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For the guy who leaves it all on the field (because he doesn't pick up after the game).
Keep on rolling |
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2014/10/24 04:00:51
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Not as Good as a Minion
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Turned out great for me, I picked eHaley followed by eCaine ha. Still love those models to death
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I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own... |
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2014/10/24 04:20:37
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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Picking up a new caster can be a lot more expensive than just the caster. I'm looking at switching to high reclaimer from kkreoss1. However, kreoss1 uses reckoner, errants, choir, zealots, Vassal and covenant. Reclaimer uses devout, bastions, Wracks and lady Aiyana. The only common units are errants and choir, so I would be purchasing a lot more than a $10 caster to make the switch.
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2014/10/24 04:29:16
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I've enjoyed it. I went with Kara Sloan, and while I have branched into others, I'm very happy I started with Kara Sloan and consider her my primary choice for Warcaster.
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2014/10/24 06:23:47
Subject: Re:Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Shunting Grey Knight Interceptor
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Every caster that I own I've picked based on looks, and I don't hate any of them. My problem now is picking who to play as I like all my casters so far, and I have like 12.
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2014/10/24 06:37:36
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Waaagh 18 wrote:Are all casters and warlocks created equal in this game or are there any that have way too much stuff and skills for their price or too little stuff... Just wondering if picking a caster based on fluff and building a list around his stats can get you killed because the caster was too weak.
Arguably there are outliers both powerful ( e gaspy, e Haley) and not so powerful, (zerkova) but pretty much every caster is viable. I'd hesitate to say anything 'breaks the game' - there is always an answer. That said, every caster will have hard match ups. Pp solve this with 2 or 3 list formats for their tournaments.
What's more important is synergy. It's not what you take, it's what you take with it. Build to a casters strengths, and there is no reason you should consider them 'weak'.
As to building fir fluff - go for it. The fluff is a great reason to pick a caster. For me, it's been butcher since day one. He is a fascinating yet tragic character. Vlad and irusk are my other go to's and I play circle well because of kromac and tharn.
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2014/10/24 09:43:12
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Toofast wrote:Picking up a new caster can be a lot more expensive than just the caster. I'm looking at switching to high reclaimer from kkreoss1. However, kreoss1 uses reckoner, errants, choir, zealots, Vassal and covenant. Reclaimer uses devout, bastions, Wracks and lady Aiyana. The only common units are errants and choir, so I would be purchasing a lot more than a $10 caster to make the switch.
Well you could use all those first models with Reclaimer... Nothing is stopping you. So it can just be a $10 caster to change your force.
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2014/10/24 09:58:00
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Knight Exemplar
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I picked Thyra for her stabby stabby and looks http://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/Thyra%2C+Flame+of+Sorrow
I also got all the other female casters, because there need to be more women in wargames!
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2014/10/24 10:08:47
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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I think there's a pretty good mix of male to female in WMH, I was pleasantly surprised with the amount of female Warnouns.
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2014/10/24 13:32:48
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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ImAGeek wrote:I think there's a pretty good mix of male to female in WMH, I was pleasantly surprised with the amount of female Warnouns.
Depends on the faction, Legion has quite the abundance of female Warlocks. This is by no means a bad thing. I discovered this when my son wanted to start playing and picked Legion and as we were trying to decide what caster for him to use he went "Aren't there any dudes?" And found there was just Thagrosh and Kallus. In the end he got past the 'dude' thing and went with Rhyas, but there are quite an abundance of female warnouns.
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2014/10/24 13:52:31
Subject: Caster / Warlock Viability?
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Knight Exemplar
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And thats one of the thinks I like in Warmhordes coming from GW, its refreshing to have equal right butt kicking
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