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So here is my current owned models(many of which are converted) for my Crimson Fists Army.
HQ
Pedro Kantor
Space Marine Captain (Relic Blade and Storm Shield)
Space Marine Captain (Power Fist and Bolt Pistol)
Space Marine Captain in Terminator Armor (Relic Blade and Storm Bolter)
Space Marine Captain (Brother Captain Centos - Bolter and Power Fist)
Librarian with Force Sword
Librarian with Staff and Book
Librarian with Staff in Terminator Armor
Chaplain with Bolt Pistol and Crosius Arcanum (he would have that weird SoT relic if I ran him)
Techmarine with Servo-Harness

Elite
10 Sternguard Marines (5 with Combi-Melta)
10 Sternguard Marines (5 with Combi-Grav)
7 Honour Guard (Champ with PS/RB, 3x PMaul, 2x PAxe, 1x PMaul and Standard)
5 Terminators (Power Sword Sergeant, 3x SB and PF, 1x PF and AsC)
5 Assault Terminators (3x THSS, 2x Dual-Lightning Claws)
Contemptor Dreadnought (Kheres x2, CML)
Dreadnought (AC, DCCW w/ HF)
Venerable Dreadnought (TLLC, DCCW w/Storm Bolter)
Command Squad (Apothecary, 4x Plasmaguns)

Troops
Tactical Squad (Combi-Melta, Meltagun)
Tactical Squad (Combi-Melta, Meltagun)
Tactical Squad (Combi-Melta, Meltagun) - Not built, may give it a Combi-Grav and Gravgun instead (may do that to all of my Tactical Squads honestly)
Scout Squad (5x Bolters)
Scout Squad (5x Bolters)

Fast Attack
Assault Squad (Power Maul, 2x Flamers)
2x Stormtalon Gunship (Magnetized for Skyhammer ML or TLLC)
3x Land Speeders (2x HB/AsC, 1x HB/TML)
Bike Squad (1x Combi-Grav, 2x Grav, 3x Plain)

Heavy Support
Devastator Squad (4x Las, Sergeant)
Devastator Squad (4x ML, Sergeant)
Devastator Squad (4x HB, Sergeant)
Centurion Devastator Squad (3x Grav Cannons+Grav Amp)
Vindicator (with Siege Shield)
3x Stalker tank
3x Rapier Quad Mortar (Made from the Hunter cannon assembly)

Transports
3 Rhinos (with Heavy Bolter turrets optional)
3 Drop Pod
2 Land Speeder Storm (Heavy Flamer)
1 Land Raider Crusader (Multimelta)

Fortifications
Aegis Defense Line (Quadgun)

Other
Culexus Assassin
Imperial Knight Paladin (will be magnetized to be usable as an Errant)

What more should I get this army?

EDIT: Updated to the current composition of my Crimson Fists collection.

More drop pods, more sternguard, more tacticals.

Do I really need more tacticals, though? They are basically to fulfill the troop tax. Sternguards are the primary Crimson Fist OS squads. More Sternguards is pretty much a definite, as are their Drop Pod delivery system. What about some flyers, like a Storm Talon or two, maybe a Stormraven? I have also thought about a Land Raider Crusader.

Honestly (and bear in mind I'm not a heavy SM player), I'd suggest another box of Devastators - this would give you another 2 Las another 2 HB and another Signum, which combines well with the Imp. Fists Chapter Tactics into two Dev squads (you want to have the same heavy weapon in a Dev squad as you can only fire at one unit).

Other than that, perhaps another 2 drop pods, which would allow the Sternies and the command squad to come down T1, with a Tac squad in the third arriving later.

While funds have kept me from trying it out myself, I've liked the idea of ten Crimson Fist Sternguard in a Stormraven Combat Squaded with some Combi-plasma thrown in the mix. Dropping two separate 5-man squads on a single pass, Objective Secured and powerful enough to really hold a midfield objective, it's not an idea I've seen often. But again, my financial situation keep me from starting yet another army to try it out myself so I don't know the usefulness.

Another Devastator box for proper weapon choices, at least two more Drop Pods, a Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer to deliver the Terminators or Honor Guard, maybe a Scout squad with snipers.

And why Combi-Plasma and not Plasmaguns on the Command squad?

Hanskrampf wrote:
Another Devastator box for proper weapon choices, at least two more Drop Pods, a Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer to deliver the Terminators or Honor Guard, maybe a Scout squad with snipers.

And why Combi-Plasma and not Plasmaguns on the Command squad?

I have two Lascannons coming anyway, so I plan to build another two LC marines for the Devs. Put Combi-Plasma on the Command Squad so they could dual function as Combi-Plasma Sternguard if I wanted. Also, I have a hard time giving up on the bolter for any of my marines since I really like the twin-linked rapid fire bolters that Sentinels of Terra offers.

I think one or maybe two more squads of Tact Marines. I run 4 GH/ Tact Marines at 1750. Also determines what your cost of points are. And more drop pods, they are your 35pts friends.

Storm talon, drop pod, tac squad and maybe a chaplain with jump pack a some assulat marines. But thats me.

I am definitely looking to add a Storm Tater to my list (probably going to put Skyhammer ML or TLLC) as well as at least one Drop Pod. Dev Squad is less of a priority at this juncture. I would like to get a LRC/R, but DANG that $80 pricetag is harsh. Tactical Squad may happen too, but less of a priority. Would rather invest in more Sternguards.

It’s always nice to round out your HQ slots. A chaplain is the big gap here, but a MotF could be nice to have.

Your elites seem well covered.

For a collection your size, you are a little light on tactical marines. While sternguard might be better OS picks for you, there is a lot the humble marine can accomplish on the battlefield, for significantly less points. Not that you need to go crazy and get the six squads for a full battle company, but one more might be a good call.

Your FA slot is pretty weak. If you are going pod heavy, another 5 man assault squad could help bump your count. Land speeders can be geared for a number of roles; I’m partial to TML/HB. A pair of them would not be a bad call. Bikes are in a good place right now (the DA battleforce is a good deal) Adding a stormtalon would help with AA.

HS is another slot you are a little light on. There really aren’t a lot of bad picks here, but they are dependent on the kind of army you want to play. For anything resembling a gunline, the TFC is a good deal for it’s points.

2 rhinos and a razor are good for ground based mech lists. If that’s the way you are going, then the LR makes a great centerpiece. The single pod is still useful for a disruption/suicide drop. If you want to go pod heavy, or do a hybrid list, you are going to want at least 2 more, and probably 4.

I always forget the Land Speeder Even exists. I will probably pick one of those up, or get the DA Battleforce. I am told all the Ravenwing stuff is optional, so one can build it as Vanilla Marines if they so desire. I kinda want some bikes anyway.

What are people's opinions on the Centurions? I play using Sentinels of Terra, so I can put them in a couple different slots. Also, Cent Devs get the Dev boost from Imp Fist tactics.

So far, I am at 1x Spud Talon, 1-2x Drop Pods, 1-2 Landspeeders(possibly in the form of a DA Battleforce). Oh and 1-2 boxes of Tacticals.

If you do get Drop Pods, buy two so that you have an odd number. Then you could look into getting another 10 Sternguard if you're using Pedro.

If you're using Sentinels of Terra CT, then consider buying more Tactical Marines, Centurions (of either kind) and Devastators. Flesh out your devastators, so that you have the option to take two squads with 4x Lascannons and 4x ML - they have tank hunter, and so will be very powerful anti vehicle. Either type of Centurion will be good - if you want to run lascannon Centurion Devastators, then they will fit right in and benefit from your CT (though gravcannon cents are still an objectively better choice), and you'll be able to shift them to Elites if you run out of space in your heavy support slot.

A Land Raider Crusader fits well in almost any SM army. The obvious choice is to use it with your Terminators, but it's also a very good transport for regular marines, sternguard, command squads, honor guard etc.

Likewise, a Stormtalon is a very useful model to own (especially since you don't seem to be filling your Fast Attack slots). If you meta has air units, this is might be a necessary purchase (though your Contemptor could be used as a Mortis) Land Speeders are another very under-appreciated unit - with Typhoon Missiles or 2xMM, they can engage enemy units that are not in LOS of your Devastators. Another alternative is to run a squad of Attack Bikes or regular bikes with melta, which serve a similar role. I'm not a huge fan of the DA Battleforce, because the weapon loadouts it comes with are not what I would use with the rest of your army (you would want to use the bikes and land speeders to carry high strength special and heavy weapons. Your regular marines can do anti-infantry work just fine with their twin linked guns).

Really, you have a good mix of units, so almost anything you get would fit into the list well. Some things I would suggest you NOT get:
Stormraven. Imperial Fist Devastator units are better at killing vehicles, and the Stormtalon does AA cheaper without competing for HS slots.
Tactical Terminators. Twin-linked storm bolters is not a good enough buff to make them good.
Assault Squad. Same reason as the terminators
Low strength Dakka units that aren't Tactical Squads. Sentinels of Terra tac squads are efficient anti-infantry, and you should have no issues dealing with hordes. What you will need to deal with is threats that have high toughness and good armor (Riptides, Daemon Princes, Wraithknights) - the rest of your army should be focused around killing those things, while your tac squads shoot at infantry and camp objectives.

 DanielBeaver wrote:
I'm not a huge fan of the DA Battleforce, because the weapon loadouts it comes with are not what I would use with the rest of your army (you would want to use the bikes and land speeders to carry high strength special and heavy weapons. Your regular marines can do anti-infantry work just fine with their twin linked guns).

I think you might be confusing the DA battleforce with the ravenwing command squad. The DA battleforce consists of 6 normal bikes, one attack bike, an (old) landspeeder, and 3 ravenwing upgrade sprues for $110. The bikes should be the exact same ones you get in the vanilla bike boxes. So while you are correct in saying that the loadouts it comes with are not great (just TL bolters), that covers all bikes; melta/grav guns are going to need to come from elsewhere.

2 of the 3 bike boxes $40 ea.
Land Speeder: $30
Attack Bike: $27.25
3 RW accessory packs $14.75 ea.

Even if you ignore the RW sprues you are still getting a free land speeder with your bikes. And it’s a good number to add to an army. You can make one as a captain, and have a 5 man troop pick, plus the attack bike. Or run two bike HQs and a 4+1 bike squad (which is still a troop)

I used one of these boxes to add a bike force to my Ultramarines, no problems. While there is probably a point of diminishing returns for using these to add bikes to your army, one or two to boost your FA slot is a good purchase.

What is the difference between the old land speeder and the new one? I know a few DA players I could offload the Ravenwing stuff to.

Apparently there is a new Adeptes Astartes Strike Force, comes with a drop pod, a storm talon, a razorback, dreadnought, sternguards, tactical squad, and a Blister pack captain. Where was this a month ago?! I could use everything in that box beside the Dread and the Captain, but don't need the Razorback now. Dang it!

I have settled on two land speeders and a storm talon for my next purchases. I will probably add another couple drop pods and a tactical squad in the near future. Thanks for the help!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
What is the difference between the old land speeder and the new one? I know a few DA players I could offload the Ravenwing stuff to.

Apparently there is a new Adeptes Astartes Strike Force, comes with a drop pod, a storm talon, a razorback, dreadnought, sternguards, tactical squad, and a Blister pack captain. Where was this a month ago?! I could use everything in that box beside the Dread and the Captain, but don't need the Razorback now. Dang it!

I think they made the speeder easier to assemble, and added weapon options. With the old kit, if you wanted a TML or AsC you needed to pick up the RW sprue. Which may have been unique to the DA at the time, not sure. I think the new kit has HFs, but am not sure. I know the old one just has a MM and HB

I'm not sure how I feel about the new Astartes strikeforce. It seems like you get a lot less for your money then with the old one. Probably because you replace the command squad and multi pose captain with the sternguard and mono pose. They both feel very similar, but one set cost around $30 more. While I'm a big proponent of "everything can be used" a c-grav on a PA foot captain is pushing my restraint for calling things useless. And when you consider the price GW charges for the sub-par little bugger, he's takeing a whole squad's worth of space in the box. Still, as a box set from GW, not a 1-click, there are savings in there, so you can ignore parts of it and come out ahead. But the captain represents a large chunk of the stuff you need to ignore.

 Nevelon wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
What is the difference between the old land speeder and the new one? I know a few DA players I could offload the Ravenwing stuff to.

Apparently there is a new Adeptes Astartes Strike Force, comes with a drop pod, a storm talon, a razorback, dreadnought, sternguards, tactical squad, and a Blister pack captain. Where was this a month ago?! I could use everything in that box beside the Dread and the Captain, but don't need the Razorback now. Dang it!

I think they made the speeder easier to assemble, and added weapon options. With the old kit, if you wanted a TML or AsC you needed to pick up the RW sprue. Which may have been unique to the DA at the time, not sure. I think the new kit has HFs, but am not sure. I know the old one just has a MM and HB

I'm not sure how I feel about the new Astartes strikeforce. It seems like you get a lot less for your money then with the old one. Probably because you replace the command squad and multi pose captain with the sternguard and mono pose. They both feel very similar, but one set cost around $30 more. While I'm a big proponent of "everything can be used" a c-grav on a PA foot captain is pushing my restraint for calling things useless. And when you consider the price GW charges for the sub-par little bugger, he's takeing a whole squad's worth of space in the box. Still, as a box set from GW, not a 1-click, there are savings in there, so you can ignore parts of it and come out ahead. But the captain represents a large chunk of the stuff you need to ignore.

Yeah, that mono pose captain is next to worthless for me. Dreadnought would have not been that useful either. But the three vehicles and the Sternguard, plus another box of Tacticals would have been good. Problem is that the separate boxes of those would have been less pricy overall, especially since I got my DP and Sternguards with points from my credit card.

I am getting the new Land Speeders. The fact they have all the options in the box is good. I can replace my LSS HB with a HF this way too. I am going to make two Land Speeder Typhoons. What weapon should I give the Storm Talon? Skyhammer ML seems pretty popular. I plan on using it for AA though.

I fly my talon exclusively with the skyhammers. There have been times I wished I had the other missiles or LCs, but not often enough to justify the points they cost. But then again, I like to keep things cheep and flexible, which the skyhammers provide.

Flyers are not exactly the bastion of high AV, so the S7 on the hammers is often enough to get the job done. The 3 shots is a bonus as well. They pair well with the chin mounted TLAsC, as they have a similar profile.

I would recommend a StormTalon, maybe a Vindicator, and a Land Raider never hurts

 Nevelon wrote:
I fly my talon exclusively with the skyhammers. There have been times I wished I had the other missiles or LCs, but not often enough to justify the points they cost. But then again, I like to keep things cheep and flexible, which the skyhammers provide.

Flyers are not exactly the bastion of high AV, so the S7 on the hammers is often enough to get the job done. The 3 shots is a bonus as well. They pair well with the chin mounted TLAsC, as they have a similar profile.

That was kinda my thought as well. Points-wise, Skyhammers seem like the best option, overall. Sure, they probably aren't going to shoot a Stormraven out of the sky, but shot volume is a good thing. Plus, the fact I field a Contemptor with a CML, means I have something for dealing with higher AV flyers. I can always snap shot my devs at an especially resilient flyer.

i would definately pick up 2+ vindicators they are great fire support as well as some bikes unless you are against them for their looks, kit them out as 2 3 man squads with meltas for fast support as well.

 RileyJessup wrote:
i would definately pick up 2+ vindicators they are great fire support as well as some bikes unless you are against them for their looks, kit them out as 2 3 man squads with meltas for fast support as well.

Vindicator is next up on the list. Bikes are less of a priority to my army, but I may want some at some point. After my most recent purchase, I am probably going to get another Storm Talon, 2 Drop Pods, and a Vindicator. That demolisher cannon

For rounding out my HQ options, what are the best models for Chaplains and Masters of the Forge? Is there a plastic Chaplain available? Same for the Techmarine/MotF? I have had very bad experiences with Finecast(FAILCast). The only chaplain that I have found in plastic is in the Reclusiam Command Squad.

Here is what I have now, any more pointers would be appreciated.

HQ
Pedro Kantor
Honour Guard (1 with Relic Blade, 4x Power Sword)
Space Marine Captain (Relic Blade and Storm Bolter)
Librarian with Staff and Book
Command Squad (Apothecary, 4x Combi-Plasma)

Elite
10 Sternguard Marines (6 with Combi-Melta)
5 Assault Terminators (3x THSS, 2x Dual-Lightning Claws)
Contemptor Dreadnought (Kheres x2, CML)
Dreadnought (AC, DCCW w/ HF)

Troops
Tactical Squad (Combi-Melta, Meltagun)
Tactical Squad (Combi-Plasma, Plasmagun)
5x AoBR Marines with bolters
Scout Squad (5x Bolters)

Fast Attack
Assault Squad (Power Maul, 2x Flamer)
Stormtalon Gunship (Magnetized for Skyhammer ML or TLLC)
2x Land Speeder (HB + TML each)

Heavy Support
Devastator Squad (4x Las, 2x ML, 2x HB, PC, MM, and Sarge)
Predator (AC + HB Sponsons)

Transports
2 Rhinos
1 Razorback (HB or LC turrets)
1 Drop Pod
Land Speeder Storm

My wishlist so far is the following:
1-2 Drop Pods (Probably 2)
Vindicator
Land Raider (I am thinking Redeemer)
Jump Pack Chaplain or Terminator Chaplain
Techmarine (could function as a MotF)

What else should I add to that list to get over the next few months? I think maybe a box of Tacticals and a box of Sternguards to make 5x Tacticals (will go with the 5x AoBR Marines to make a full 10-man squad, I am thinking either another CP/PG squad or a CG/GG squad) and 10x Sternguards (either 6x CP or 6x CM). Any suggestions?

6ix of everything in the GW product range for any SM army types.

Yeah...that's not going to happen.

My slots in need of the most help are Elites and Heavy Support. I don't have any real desire to get more Devs or Predators. No desire to get Centurions (VERY overpriced). Vindicators and their pie-plate of doom are nice. I am a little tired of Rhino-chassis stuff, but this one at least has a few curveballs to it. I don't own any Land Raiders, and I am looking into a Crusader or Redeemer. I might just magnetize the sponsons so I can do either. TFC is Failcast, so it is way down on the list. Stormraven is nice, may look into one of those.


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I also think I should get a fortification. I am thinking either an Aegis Defense Line or an Imperial Bastion. Put my Devs in there so they can provide some additional air support with that quad cannon. Might get an Icarus Lascannon off of ebay or something to use as an option.


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Part of me wants to get two Land Raiders. One LRC/R and one Land Raider Ares(the Vindiraider). The Ares would do the job of the Vindicator, just a lot better. Good luck killing the thing. That or a Land Raider Achilles to ferry around Pedro and his Honor Guard.

So I have $35 Amazon credit to use. Rather than use it on something useful like a new phone (which I need), I have decided that it goes to 40K (I have a problem...). Here are the things I am looking at getting. Price isn't the immediate concern. Help me pick one.

1. Tactical Squad Box
2. Sternguard Box
3. Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer
4. Vindicator
5. Drop Pod
6. Space Marine Bike Squad

Get the phone :-) how else are you going to call your friends and arrange games to smash them?

Sticking to the list, either a Drop Pod or the Land Raider (for the assault terminators).

As an additional note, the plastic Chaplain from the Reculsiam box set occasionally shows up on his own on bits stores or auction sites like eBay if you don't want the other bumf.

I’d go with the Vindi. A lot of the other things occasionally show up in GW bundle deals, something a niche as a vindicator is going to have to be picked up separately anyway.

Plus pie plate. You know you want it.