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Wisbech

So, quick simple question first, is it possible to have both cromwells and churchills in a late war list for BRITISH infantry? I know I could if I took canadians but my rifle company is almost out of the painting station in British uniform colours.


If this isn't possible I'm thinking about using the Lorried rifle company from Overlord, but I'm not sure if reluctant veteran is any good, could someone shed some light on the different combinations and how well they work, weaknesses etc?
   
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Florence, KY

You do realize that Canadian uniforms were the same colour and style as British uniforms?

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It can be done.

Choose a Breaching Group, you get churchills there. Not regular Churchills mind you, and this is not what it appears you are looking for. However you can still have Churchill AVRE and Cromwells on the field in an infantry list together.

Cromwells tended to work on their own, and had a recon designation. I dont recommend them for infantry support, it dopesnt play to their strengths. That being said they still do the job as well as Shermans.

Possibly Market Garden has what you are after, but I don't have that supplement.

You can have your variety by using Cromwells in one battle and Churchills the next, I think it would serve you better also. Churchills are solid tanks for defensive work but need numbers, Cromwells are fast and average and again prefer numbers though you can make some good work with just three. FoW only gives you two tank slots in an infantry company list as a rule, so it pays to make them both the same so you have enough assets for a role.

I would be leaning towards two Churchill platoons, they can bolster the already tough defence you get with British infantry. Make the enemy come to you. Cromwells are frankly less useful, favour mobility and deserve their own list.

You can easily have Churchills and Shermans together though, including access to the Firefly.

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I think you'll only find the option in overlord - and even then the churchills are AVRE's or crocs I think

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Wisbech

In that case I'll probably go with the standard rifle platoons, probably from the 50th northumbrians, and use a couple of platoon of churchills.


And the canadian uniform was a slightly greener shade, made from a better quality material.
   
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Florence, KY

Trust me, at 15mm all but the most fervent rivet counters (like Big P ) would notice the slightly different shade of shirt.

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Kildare, Ireland

 Ghaz wrote:
You do realize that Canadian uniforms were the same colour and style as British uniforms?


Actually quite different colours to be fair. Canadian BDs were green not khaki.

In reality, you would find Churchills as the infantry support tank attached to infantry divisions,, the crusiers in armoured divisions fulfilling the traditional tank/cavalry role.

But sure they shared the same space on the field from time to time.

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Wisbech

Well either way I'm either going to go with a lorried rifle platoon or standard one, and then switch between the two every now and then to use cromwells and churchills, just in different battles. Cheers guys
   
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Florence, KY

Big P wrote:
Actually quite different colours to be fair. Canadian BDs were green not khaki.

Using the color suggestions HERE for British (English Uniform VP921) and Canadians (50/50 mix of English Uniform VP921 and Brown Violet VP887) while it does present a noticeably different shade when wet I don't believe it's a significant difference that would be a game breaker (you don't count, you're paid to count rivets ).

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I dont trust people who make toy soldiers to get colours right!




It pays to be informed!

But at 15mm... not sure it matters!

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Wisbech

Just personal preference I suppose. I just don't want to play alongside a "rivet counter" and have him point out that my Canadians look like Brits, so Brits it is!
   
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Florence, KY

If they're enough of a rivet counter to complain that the color of your model's uniform is a shade or two off, do you think that is all he'll find to nitpick Best to avoid playing people like that altogether.

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The only allied formation that had Cromwells and Churchills was the Czech armored brigade.

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 Generalstoner wrote:
The only allied formation that had Cromwells and Churchills was the Czech armored brigade.

The Czech Armoured Brigade Intelligence Briefing does not include Churchills.

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Kildare, Ireland

 Generalstoner wrote:
The only allied formation that had Cromwells and Churchills was the Czech armored brigade.


Dont think they did.

The Churchills on their December 1944 returns are an administration addition only, 7RTR left them in the Brigades keeping when they transitioned onto Crocs.

There is no evidence they used them despite appearing on the brigade returns.

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Big P wrote:


I dont trust people who make toy soldiers to get colours right!




It pays to be informed!

But at 15mm... not sure it matters!


For my british that is why i painted them uniform brown instead of green.also it is alot easier to id them in multi player games.Even though the hippies in our group probably would not care.

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