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2014/10/25 12:12:36
Subject: [2000] - Iron Hands + Knight (TAC) - Units to complement each other perfectly
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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So the idea is to take the best point for effectiveness ratio possible whilst still having the units sync with each other perfectly. Also with the intention of being TAC.
Iron hands:
Librarian (in razorback)
5 tactical marines
Flamer
Razorback with multimelta (IA:2)
5 tactical marines
Flamer
Razorback with multimelta (IA:2)
5 scouts
Bolters
5 scouts
Bolters
Stormtalon
Skyhammer
Stormtalon
Skyhammer
Vindicator
Battle of Keylek (ignores cover)
Sicaran
Lascannons, ceremite, schism of mars (tank hunter, 4+ against haywire, bs5 against deamon engines)
Typhon
Ceremite
2 Vengeance weapon batteries
Both with battle cannons
Imperial Knights:
Knight Paladin
2000pts.
If the opponent bunches behind cover to avoid the 4 battle cannon shots, the st10 ap1 7" from the typhon and the st10 ap2 5" from the vindi both ignore cover.
If they spread out then the armoured fist of the razorbacks and knight can hit just a portion of the opponents army.
The vindi is vulnerable for its points, but the knight and typhon will be drawing all the AT firepower.
The typhon and vindi are both good tank hunters but the sicaran really shines here. All three are effective against serps.
The Sicaran is pretty good at AA but it also has 2 talons helping it out. Both of which can also hunt tanks and any artillery hiding behind LoS blocking terrain.
6 OS units. Originally I went with 2 laser destroyers in a rapier battery but exchanged them for 10 scouts due to low anout of OS.
The razorbacks provide more AT with their MMs, whilst the tacs provide anti troop with their flamers.
Having said that 4 st8 ap3 5" blasts, 1 st10 ap2 5" blast and 1 st10 ap1 7" blast should provide ample anti troop.
Knight puts pressure on and hunts MCs or tanks.
What do you think?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/10/25 12:13:52
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2014/10/26 18:40:42
Subject: [2000] - Iron Hands + Knight (TAC) - Units to complement each other perfectly
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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It's because it has FW in it again isn't it?
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2014/10/26 18:55:06
Subject: [2000] - Iron Hands + Knight (TAC) - Units to complement each other perfectly
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Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch
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Well, a s10 super large blast template that is ap1 ignores cover doesn't really need any critique, now does it? Something that includes units that are banned at pretty much any standardized major event won't garner much attention from competitive players, and regular players simply won't enjoy facing it. I will try though. Sure, its a good all-comers in that you have a good chance on tabling any opponent that is not flyer heavy.
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Aftermath can be calculated.
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2014/10/26 19:03:18
Subject: [2000] - Iron Hands + Knight (TAC) - Units to complement each other perfectly
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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The typhon is not banned at most major tournaments though as it is a LoW that is under 500pts, which is the limit many tournaments have now put on LoW. It is in fact with that load out only 370pts. There are much more OP LoW units and tbf I created the list (yes there is a whole list there not just one unit), for discussion on the attempt to take cost effective units whilst also having as much synchronization between units as possible, not to start a LoW hate discussion.
So do you believe that the units complement each other perfectly or is there room for improvement?
I could have just posted a net list, but I believe imagination and creativity are less boring on this site than dicussing the same lists and combinations time after time.
There are a very many unique lists here, the vast majority are. Just like this one. Automatically Appended Next Post: And btw - the title was to encourage people to have a look at the list and critique it. As people are more likely to see a statement like 'perfectly' and then want to take it down a peg or two. That was intended, as IoM FW seems to get a serious lack of responses in the army lists forum.
I always want improvement and fine tuning of lists, I do not believe criticism of lists to be offensive. Automatically Appended Next Post: Just seen your last sentence after edit. I apologise about my brisk tone, I thought you were telling me it didn't deserve comment/criticism for containing the typhon. Mis-read your meaning. Thank you for the reply
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2014/10/26 19:47:14
Subject: [2000] - Iron Hands + Knight (TAC) - Units to complement each other perfectly
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Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch
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I would personally face this list in a regular game if I knew about it in advance, so I wouldn;t have a problem with it, but many others don;t feel the same way. Not as bad a T'C'tan IMO.
However, the current ban list for the "big" tournaments is basically anything that has a large weapon footprint and ignores cover. Including: T'C'tan, Whatever baneblade chassis has a similar weapon, etc type stuff.
I dont really hate LOW, except for maybe the C'tan, because I run Lance Formation, which will do fine against most LOW.
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Aftermath can be calculated.
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2014/10/26 20:01:30
Subject: [2000] - Iron Hands + Knight (TAC) - Units to complement each other perfectly
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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I've not personally encountered much dislike of the typhon. That would mean such bans would make the battle of keylek illegal on a fellblade I assume?
Is there something else I can take (either instead of or on top of, if it was a 2250pt tournament (not sure why tournaments tend to go from 1850 to 2250)) to make the list have even more effective synergy?
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2014/10/26 21:23:46
Subject: [2000] - Iron Hands + Knight (TAC) - Units to complement each other perfectly
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Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch
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Most things I have never heard of or seen are banned at the big tournaments.
Never heard of Typhon or that upgrade till recently.
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Aftermath can be calculated.
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