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Many people don't like how powerful Eldar are, yet they're okay with IoM shenanigans, so which army/armies should be more powerful than others?

(Don't say that all armies should be balanced as they shouldn't. Certain armies should have an advantage/disadvantage against other armies)

Orks.

Orks can never lose.

And yes, gameplay wise, all armies should fundamentally be balanced.

If we still have points costs?

A SM army would be five guys in a drop pod. Everyone has a special weapon an assault 10 AP2 bolter and a Fleshbane/Armorbane chainsword.

An ork army is "fill your deployment area with ork boys. Ork boys are S1 I1 T1 and may only attack space marine opponents one at a time."

An Eldar army is one aspect warrior.

Fluff wise i feel the guard should be most powerful. Baneblades should cost what russes do, russes what chimeras do and guardsmen should be free. They should also die the turn they come in, but hey theres 3,000,000 waiting to be placed.

Necrons / Tyranids. Hard to say witch one is stronger. Tyranids cant absorb Necrons. Both races entire forces haven't arrived yet.

I think if the Tyranid entire race was in 40k galaxy, it would take every race and I mean EVERY race to come together to even put up a resistance. Even then, they would lose.


If every single Tomb world awoken, same fate as Tyranids. Necrons have already wiped the galaxy clean once already. Hell, if the Necron use the full power of the Ctans...suns will fall.

Mine. Because they are the chosen. And I was the one to make the choice.

 Mark1130 wrote:
Necrons / Tyranids. Hard to say witch one is stronger. Tyranids cant absorb Necrons. Both races entire forces haven't arrived yet. I think if the Tyranid entire race was in 40k galaxy, it would take every race and I mean EVERY race to come together to even put up a resistance. Even then, they would lose.

This. The Tyranids devour planets brah. And Necrons have near limitless numbers of regenerating undead Robots, and some of the most advanced and bizarre technology in the galaxy. Suck on that, Imperium.

Daemons never die so they have all of eternity to wipe out any other race provided they find ways to and from the warp

the_scotsman wrote:
An Eldar army is one aspect warrior.

I always thought that would be a fun boss fight in a 40k-themed game, something like Space Marine maybe. Going up against a single Eldar aspect warrior and trying desperately just to land a hit on them, and failing.

Anyway, this thread is kinda dumb because everyone's just going to post "Well my army, duh! My codex says right here my army is the best ever!" and copy/paste all the bullgak fluffwank GW put in every book to sell you on that army as "proof". And you can do that for literally every army, so...

lustigjh wrote:
Daemons never die so they have all of eternity to wipe out any other race provided they find ways to and from the warp

Indeed - hence the Necron plan used to be (?) to seal the Warp away from reality - of course the Necrons currently look like they will all fall victim to the Flayer virus, eventually............Tryanids may run out of fleets, Orks can be beaten.

The races are all the best when the narrative says they are the best.

Space marines, in one book one was sent to deal with a dark eldar incursion from a crashed ship.

One.

Depends if you mean in a particular battle or the race as a whole.

For example Eldar have the foresight, strategy, technology and martial prowess to pick (or avoid) any battle, manipulate the circumstances and win. They are are dying race however, and couldn't ever conquer the galaxy.

 Mark1130 wrote:
Necrons / Tyranids. Hard to say witch one is stronger. Tyranids cant absorb Necrons. Both races entire forces haven't arrived yet.

I think if the Tyranid entire race was in 40k galaxy, it would take every race and I mean EVERY race to come together to even put up a resistance. Even then, they would lose.


If every single Tomb world awoken, same fate as Tyranids. Necrons have already wiped the galaxy clean once already. Hell, if the Necron use the full power of the Ctans...suns will fall.

Being a bit biased I think the necrons would beat out the nids. Just because their biomass replenishes at a less efficient rate due to not absorbing biomass on necron death worlds. That and the null fields disrupting their connection to the hive mind. The only thing that goes against them is the in fighting which every race aside from maybe tau has as well.

-Chaos

-Tyranids

-Orks

-Necrons

-Necrons
-Daemons
One (Daemons) because they can't be killed and powerful individuals can just destroy Imperial battleships (Cherubael, Rau Keres, Ghargatuloth)
The other (Necrons) because of their insane toughness and firepower.

Sidstyler wrote:Anyway, this thread is kinda dumb because everyone's just going to post "Well my army, duh! My codex says right here my army is the best ever!" and copy/paste all the bullgak fluffwank GW put in every book to sell you on that army as "proof". And you can do that for literally every army, so...

Pretty much this.

Though I'd say that GW actually has a fairly balanced portrayal if you compare all the studio sources. It's the Black Library novels where things get really iffy.

Eldar or Necrons, both follow the same ideals that make them the strongest. They only fight where they win, if there is a battle they won't win, the battle won't happen.

A realistic battle between the Imperium and Eldar, the Imperium would have 500pts and the Eldar would have 1250 and first turn. If the Imperium survive past turn 3, you get 4000pts of reinforcements

 jhe90 wrote:
Space marines, in one book one was sent to deal with a dark eldar incursion from a crashed ship.

One.

I couldn't finish that book it was so bad. Abnett's portrayal of Space Marines in that book was so over the top and absurd I just couldn't finish reading it.

Not to mention multiple direct contradictions of Astartes lore and common military sense (e.g. you don't just send one guy, they operate as a cohesive unit, one guy, no matter how powerful, is too vulnerable to variable events and can't be everywhere or see everything at once).

That "Dark Eldar incursion" consisted of a handful of Cabalite Warriors, and nothing else.

Anyway, the strongest faction is Daemons. They're more numerous than orks and more immortal than Necrons.

Daemons worse enemy is… reality. Though not exactly the most scheming of foes, it still looks like something damn hard to beat into submission, and harder even to destroy.

Either Space Marines or Chaos Daemons. Chaos Daemons have feats for blowing up a star on accident. Space Marine Librarians can get so powerful they make some of the X-Men in Marvel feel inadequate.

Tyranids actually would probably be the worst army, as unless they were able to bring nigh infinite models, they only win because of numbers. Necrons and Chaos would be the only thing giving fluffy space marines a run for their money, and they'd still probably die to them.

It depends on one thing - which lore you are using.

According to SM lore - a 10-man Tac squad is nigh unbeatable (just don't send them into a Space Hulk infested with Genestealers).
According to IG lore - a small group of regular men are nigh unbeatable, they just need an awesome special character to lead them.
According to Ork lore - Orks never lose. Either they win, they die in battle (which doesn't count) or they run away so they come back for anuver go.

Etc.

Orks can never be truly cleansed from a world. Short of exterminatus, ork spores are the most resilient life form in the Galaxy.

And no matter what Ork spores spread. When they fight, when they die.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Space marines, in one book one was sent to deal with a dark eldar incursion from a crashed ship.

One.

I couldn't finish that book it was so bad. Abnett's portrayal of Space Marines in that book was so over the top and absurd I just couldn't finish reading it.

Not to mention multiple direct contradictions of Astartes lore and common military sense (e.g. you don't just send one guy, they operate as a cohesive unit, one guy, no matter how powerful, is too vulnerable to variable events and can't be everywhere or see everything at once).

The Officio Assassinorum finds your lack of faith in the actions of one man disturbing.

 TheSilo wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Space marines, in one book one was sent to deal with a dark eldar incursion from a crashed ship.

One.

I couldn't finish that book it was so bad. Abnett's portrayal of Space Marines in that book was so over the top and absurd I just couldn't finish reading it.

Not to mention multiple direct contradictions of Astartes lore and common military sense (e.g. you don't just send one guy, they operate as a cohesive unit, one guy, no matter how powerful, is too vulnerable to variable events and can't be everywhere or see everything at once).

The Officio Assassinorum finds your lack of faith in the actions of one man disturbing.

To be fair, the Assassinorum typically sends one person to deal with one target, not unknown numbers of hostile aliens with zero intel, and an Assassin is a much different being and an order of magnitude scarier than a single Space Marine.

According to lore? I would place my bets with Eldar. They are often dumbed down in stories by authors that either do not understand them or who want them to be fightable, but in reality they would be the nightmare of nightmares on the battlefield. They flow like water and they almost -always- know your every plan.

Barring Eldar I would give Necrons or Daemons my vote. A tough choice between the two all around (at least for me).

 Nightwolf829 wrote:
According to lore? I would place my bets with Eldar. They are often dumbed down in stories by authors that either do not understand them or who want them to be fightable, but in reality they would be the nightmare of nightmares on the battlefield. They flow like water and they almost -always- know your every plan.

Only if they've got divining psykers with them. Not all Eldar forces do, and they've been shown to have been wrong before (or only see visions of possible futures and the like). It's also one thing to know an opponents plan, it's another to have the means to properly counter it, and to trust than an opponent is unable to adapt or improvise.

DontEatRawHagis wrote:
Orks can never be truly cleansed from a world. Short of exterminatus, ork spores are the most resilient life form in the Galaxy.

And no matter what Ork spores spread. When they fight, when they die.

Worst lore change ever.

I rank them as:

1.) Tyranids/Necrons (tie)
2.) Chaos Undivided
3.) Eldar
4.) Imperial Guard
5.) Adeptus Astartes

This is about which of the factions are the straight-up strongest in a battle. The Tyranids/Necrons are tied because both have large numbers (practically infinite on the Nids), Necrons have the best tech in the Universe (tied with Eldar), and both are very tough and Tyranids have the ultimate war strategy (Hive Mind). Chaos Undivided second, because they are incredibly strong, large numbers, very tough, and have great divination, but the Necrons beat them by default, Tyranids win because infinity Nids. Eldar are third because they always know their enemies' battle plans before the battle and have fantastic, elite warriors, and the best tech in the galaxy (which makes up for their lack of numbers). Orks, because Orks have the toughness and strength and of the Astartes alongside the numbers of the Imperial Guard (though they have horrible training, very little skill, and primitive technology. Adeptus Astartes have very small numbers, which immediately put them at the bottom, but they are elitist warriors with great equipment, amazing training, and the best genes mankind can acquire.

 jhe90 wrote:
Space marines, in one book one was sent to deal with a dark eldar incursion from a crashed ship.

One.

Called it.

Much fluffwank. So impress. Amaze. Very badass. Wow.

Seriously, this is utter tripe, a fething 12-year-old could come up with gak like this in their sleep without even having to marathon the new Modern Generic FPS beforehand.