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2014/11/18 20:08:45
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Ruthless Interrogator
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Anyone else feel the same? I miss it in tesco and my local paper shop. Im only in GW every now and again and rarely get it now. But I do miss my monthly mag. Bring back some good old WD excitement! Not trying to bash GW here BTW just missing an old friend tonight that has accompanied me for years!
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2014/11/18 20:12:16
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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I actually prefer the newer one (Weekly, that is, Visions is rubbish). Actual rules content, weekly releases cut down on the stuff I'm not interested in, and as I only get the few I'll find relevant, it saves me money in long run.
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2014/11/18 20:15:27
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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I remember enjoying it 10-15 years ago. Wish it was more like that
Though given my total boycott of all things GW, I would still not buy it
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2014/11/18 20:15:53
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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My issue was that I had a subscription to the old WD, and it was changed to visions (apparently the only subscription available) which is a comparitively terrible product. From what I've seen the weekly WD have been pretty good, but not being able to subscribe is a big negative for me.
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2014/11/18 20:17:22
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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I loved the old school White Dwarfs. So freakin' good. The new one is all flash, no substance. Yuck.
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2014/11/18 21:09:22
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Ruthless Interrogator
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I've bought visions twice, both times I spend maybe half an hour looking through them and then set them down never to be looked at again. I do quite like the new WD but it's inaccessible in that sales are restricted to GW shops only. But mostly I miss the amazing art work covers and art throughout the small stories, rules updates and lengthy articles that gave you something to chew on.
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2014/11/18 21:16:16
Subject: Re:I miss the old white dwarf
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Fixture of Dakka
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Old is subjective. Which old do you mean? The one that cost 10 bucks and was just a catalog? That's old compared to the modern one, and I'll take the new one instead every time.
I miss two dollar one that contained entire games worth of rules, not to mention rules for new units in existing games. But that was almost 30 years ago, times change.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2014/11/18 21:17:24
Subject: Re:I miss the old white dwarf
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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I have every issue from 2013 back a decade.
I feel like I should give an idea of how fun it was back then and how it became more "polished" near the end and lacked... character.
I agree the weekly WD has a bit of hit or miss but it is more like the older WD than all of last year.
Much like GW as a whole: potential for hobby greatness or further absorbed into the marketing machine.
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2014/11/18 21:25:24
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Ruthless Interrogator
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Maybe I just need to start buying the new one more often, but I could never get into a GW store every week. Does anyone know if they sell elsewhere? Return to monthly would be good too,
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2014/11/18 21:45:02
Subject: Re:I miss the old white dwarf
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Dakka Veteran
Eacute cole Militaire (Paris)
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Actual white dwarf is just an advertisement magazine .. An expansive one
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2014/11/18 22:37:31
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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The history of White Dwarf is certainly an interesting, but sad, tale.
Looking at the first decade or so of WD, it's lots of D&D sutff, other things like Judge Dredd, all sorts of new mechanics, opinion, news, etc for existing games (both GW's and other companies), reviews of scifi and fantasy fiction books, general tabletop gaming stuff, etc. Very much an all-inclusive source that had lots of appeal for just about anyone involved in any sort of tabletop gaming.
After that it started to focus exclusively on GW stuff and became very much the "corporate" mag, but still had all sorts of amazing content, great 40k stories, expansive exploration of the 40k and Fantasy universes, lots of rules updates and new units, conversion tips and explanations, etc.
Then it seems around late 3rd/early4th to have started downhill into the rag it is today, largely just being an $8 advertisement for whatever new is out that week.
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2014/11/18 23:15:57
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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When Fat Bloke ran it and it had:
-at least 1 battle report, sometimes in cinematic language, sometimes in game language,
-it had new rules not only for units but for campaigns, magic etc.
-when it reviewed tournaments.
-when it had army collection series (remember the woodelf/bretonain/skaven/beastmen one? Awesome!)
-when it had short stories in it.
-when it had results of large scale campaigns and how it effected the fluff.
-when what happened in its battle reports actually became lore.
-when there were pages of painting advice.
-when their were build your own vehicle points costs (yeh - only one edition but it was brilliant)
-when it also foccussed on specialist games such as BFG, Mordheim, Inquisitor, Necromunda etc.
-When advertising NEW models was a discrete 4 pages at the back.
-when it was 10 times the size it is now, once a month, for the same price.
Yeh - I miss that!
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2014/11/18 23:28:31
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Dangerous Bestigor
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The new WD is rather good. I buy it every week. Just long enough for a good crapper read. Anything longer and it'd be to long.
People are often nostalgic for the past no matter what. It's a totally normal thing to do. However try it out you might be surprised how much you like it.
Visions skip. I'm not sure what that is supposed to be.
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2014/11/18 23:49:39
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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No - it's not just nostalgia. The old WD really was better quality, had far more articles, and entertaining sections such as battle reports and fluff. I have tried the new WD out, its pish-poor! It is basically a mini catalogue with pages upon pages of advertising, rules for one or 2 units tops... and that's it. Plus you have to pay just as much for it. It really is MUCH worse value for money in comparison to the old.
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2014/11/19 02:27:49
Subject: Re:I miss the old white dwarf
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Wing Commander
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My FLGS has White Dwarfs going back to about '96, and reading the old ones is actually extremely depressing. It reminds me of my childhood when I first discovered 40k and GW stuff in general, and how amazing and unique and passionate everything was. I was reading one a few days ago detailing the massive table setup at GW Canada's HQ for the 13th Black Crusade campaign; 12 custom built tables which, while physically separate, all represented the same large battlefield with mountains of unique terrain and whatnot. The same issue also had things explaining their actual decisions as a business, such as the idea behind Battle Bunkers, and each having their own specialty or aesthetic, and how GW thought they could improve upon what they've learned for the future, for the good of the hobby and business.
Those old mags where transparent, loaded with content no matter what your preferred poison was, from terrain building guides and templates to tournament coverage (including every tournament for every GW system occurring over the next few months across North America in this particular issue, including the store I was standing in, which isn't even listed in "New" WD's catalog of stores) alongside fluff articles and even the concept art and iterative process behind the newest releases.
Those old mags had obvious passion, care and enthusiasm for what was going on, and acted as an important avenue of communication between the company and the consumers. The new one, even in its improved state, feels dreadfully hollow in comparison. One can only take so many 'eavy metal paint-by-numbers paintjobs of the new models in bright garish colours on a Realm of Battle board with the same digital background of burning Citadel Terrain with a canned battle report including the newest models which may or may not even follow the game's own rules alongside mindless corporate speech for BUY THIS STUFF.
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Therefore, I conclude, Valve should announce Half Life 2: Episode 3.
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2014/11/19 16:08:17
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Knockagh wrote:Maybe I just need to start buying the new one more often, but I could never get into a GW store every week. Does anyone know if they sell elsewhere? Return to monthly would be good too,
I have mine held by my local comic shop each week and pick them up about once a month. Some people think it can only be had at GW stores, but that isn't true, at least in the US. I would be much happier with an actual subscription option, but with a weekly I imagine the overhead would be insane for them to ship them out. Yeah I can get an electronic subscription, but given how much time in a day I already spend staring at an electronic screen I would far rather read the mag as a magazine and not as something on my tablet.
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2014/11/19 17:51:23
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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I actually think visions is a better purchase than 3 of the new WDs.
Because at the end of the day, the WDs only contain news of that week's releases (which you can find on the GW site itself or on any forums) and the occasional rules (again, found on forums) or battlereport (a far cry from the multi page ones in the old WD). The only useful stuff is the odd painting guide you come across.
At least with Visions you get an entire catalogue of images of your favorite armies to flick through (the ones from the other armies you anyway wont end up buying unless youre daft enough to have a subscription), and frankly these images are things that you cant easily find on the internet, just different ones. And say you pick up an old copy of your Visions from under your table six months down the line, it is still worth a read since it'll give you inspiration to try a color scheme on your army you havent yet painted; compared to a WD where you've already forgotten about what GW released in which week 3 months ago, and how that is of any relevance if you re-read it.
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2014/11/19 18:13:31
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Poly Ranger wrote:When Fat Bloke ran it and it had:
-at least 1 battle report, sometimes in cinematic language, sometimes in game language,
-it had new rules not only for units but for campaigns, magic etc.
-when it reviewed tournaments.
-when it had army collection series (remember the woodelf/bretonain/skaven/beastmen one? Awesome!)
-when it had short stories in it.
-when it had results of large scale campaigns and how it effected the fluff.
-when what happened in its battle reports actually became lore.
-when there were pages of painting advice.
-when their were build your own vehicle points costs (yeh - only one edition but it was brilliant)
-when it also foccussed on specialist games such as BFG, Mordheim, Inquisitor, Necromunda etc.
-When advertising NEW models was a discrete 4 pages at the back.
-when it was 10 times the size it is now, once a month, for the same price.
Yeh - I miss that!
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Man, I loved the battle reports complete with intro and outro fluff, publishing experimental rules for new IG regiments or Eldar craftworlds, tons of painting and modelling articles, etc. I found my old stash and spent hours reading through them, even though they're totally out-of-date with models and rules, just because they have tons of fluff, missions, army lists, tactica, etc.
Every month my friends and I would round up and try out the latest mission, or test-run a Salvar Chem dogs list, or try out some experimental rules. The new WD is meh.
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2014/11/20 00:32:52
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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I'm currently buying it as epaper over the black library since it allows me to get the English one. I can't stand the German translation and it is less dead tree littering the flat, so the missus is happy as well
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My armies:
Eldar
Necron
Chaos Space Marines
Grey Knights
Imperial Knights
Death Guard
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2014/11/20 00:47:15
Subject: I miss the old white dwarf
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Cosmic Joe
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I like the battle reports better in the old White Dwarf and it was a lot more fun with more character.
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Also, check out my history blog: Minimum Wage Historian, a fun place to check out history that often falls between the couch cushions. |
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