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So I have seen the silly comparisons of Star Wars/Trek vs the Imperium of Man, and due to its sheer size and the scope of the setting there really is no comparison between the settings. I have also seen some even more screwy "what ifs" where the Imperium of Man came to our Earth and it was simply a backward primitive planet.

My question is how would an Astarte Chapter fare if they were were to come to the Earth of the Marvel Universe? I know that should the full brunt of the Imperium fall on Earth is would be over in a matter of seconds. But how would a company of Astartes fare against say the Avengers?

Astartes are the most perfectly engineered warriors but how could even a squad of Assault Terminators manage the Hulk?

How would a pre Daemon Prince Angron fare against Wolverine?

Characters such as Thor or Superman from DC would still be OP and probably be able to manage even the primarchs but for now we could leave them out of the conversation.

Participate or not, just on a Marvel kick at the moment and bored.

The imperium would lose hard. There are some serieusly OP characters in marvel.

Bolters would bounce of the hulk and he would crush terminators like tin cans.

If you mean actual Marvel Earth (616), then we're talking literally hundreds of heroes and villains, from no-hopers like Daredevil, Hawkeye and Toad that would go down in seconds, to the likes of Hulk, Prof X and Magneto that could shut down whole Companies of Marines pretty much on their own.

So I'm handing this one to Marvel on those grounds, there's a reason these guys are called superheroes.

I dunno but psykers....

God, I'd love to shunt the Hulk into the Eye of Terror and see what comes out.

Honestly, I would put the armed forces of at least the largest three nations on our real planet against a chapter of marines. 1000 marines (plus support) just isn't that much.

The situation as I see it is:

- Space Marine battlebarge enters orbit.
- Chapter Master broadcasts something along the lines of "Surrender or Die"
- China, Russia and the US moves their respective leaders into hidden remote locations.
- Space Marine drop pods land in 4 cities and begin shooting everything up.
- Armed forces of those nations respond.
- Space Marines continue to make a mess of things.
- China/Russia/US use small tactical nukes to take them out.
- China/Russia/US point larger ICBM nukes at Battlebarge in orbit.
- Battlebarge takes the hint and leaves.

I know the lore says that a single marine is enough for most planets, but seriously, if you have 100,000 guns, rockets, missiles and serious weapons trained on that one marine then he isn't going to be able to do squat. Also, 1,000 space marines isn't going to be enough to take out the entire C&C structure of Earth's armed forces.

 Desubot wrote:
I dunno but psykers....

It's rough to say even on the Psyker front. How would 40K psychic abilities interact with the psychic abilities of those in the Marvel verse? Look at Prof. X, Emma Frost, Phoenix, or even Shadow King, some of the Marvel world's most powerful telepaths. Some of these characters feats are just as impressive as those of the 40K world. Would they even out? Would one be stronger than the other?

I'm also wondering how this would go down if the various powerful entities get involved. (Sentry, Thanos, Mephisto/Blackheart, etc vs. Emperor/Chaos Gods)

Oh jebus Angron vs hulk in one on one fisty cuffs.! make this happen now.

So yea a Chapter not so much, maybe we should take this as an all or nothing approach, forgetting the fact that the Imperium might just say Feth it Exterminatus.

Or maybe on an individual basis.

What could match up against say the likes of the Hulk/Thor/Magneto.

It brings some level of parity in a sense.

Go back to the Legions. Minus its primarch match up 100k marines vs the Hulk, Juggernaut, Apocalypse, Magneto, and Thor. Numbers would weigh them down, but it would almost be like the comical kung fu movies where 3-4 bad guys go into fight with 15 dancing around them.

Brunt force vs Brunt force.

hmmm

Well lets just go by some popular heroes

Capn America-Should fare fine his shield should be able block most things they fire at him, and he should match them in speed and strength thanks to the super soldier serum.

Iron Man-Bleeding Edge Armor would destroy anything not pyschic, its basically Riptide level but faster and smaller

Thor-Comicbook Thor is a god, MCU Thor would be a bulletsponge

Hulk-Smashes.

Black Widow, Hawkeye, normal human level dudes are toast maybe taking a few dozen marines with them.

X-Men would fare well enough between the various powers I think Marines would have as much trouble as they would fighting Nids or Demons.

Then you have the various galactic level threats like Thanos who would just brutalize astartes.

All in all I think your typical marvel Hero would be able to at least provide a good fight for marines....

The you have The Sentry who is secretly the Emperor

I'm guessing characters like Dr. Strange, Thor, Death Seed Sentry and Hulk would be nigh-untouchable with what they could do.

Any of the Comic Book Universes has ready answers and counters to just about anything the Imperium can throw at it.

The Marvel Universe has defeated things like Galactus. A pseudo-sci-fi army of massive scale, but relatively simple tech, is no worries at all.

Shoot, the Human Torch could just go super-hot and fly through space, just burning his way through the hulls of starships and venting their contents to the void.

Superman could just, you know, throw a Gothic-class cruiser into the Sun. Over and over again.

Then again it depends on who is actually accompanying them

If the inquisition comes by with a tess ark, im pretty sure the hulk and a few others would be boned.

Not sure about the more psychic ones as i have no clue as to how ether would effect each other.

The Inquisition has limited numbers of Tesseract Labyrinth devices, as these are captured Necron technologies. And while they'd be able to capture the Hulk, it's not like the Hulk is the only one of his type in the setting (there is, at least, still She-Hulk).

Staying strictly within the Marvel universe, there's also the Juggernaut. And Wolverine. And Thor.

Let's not forget that! The Marvel universe has an entire range of actual deities on its side.

Frankly, I could pick 5 Marvel characters to take on a SM force of any size.

Magneto: renders their tanks and air support useless, and can crush power armour. Basically, anything he pays attention to is dead. Helmet makes him immune to psykers, probably.

Xavier: shuts down any kind of psykers, and with Cerebro, could make the Marines little more than puppets unless they had any kind of psychic defence.

Iron Man: has the firepower to cut them down like wheat, can provide mobility and coordinate attacks.

Thor: air support, ground support, basically unkillable and can annihilate most SM in seconds.

Quicksilver: what good can 100 Marines do if, between them grasping and raising their guns, every single clip, battery or magazine has been taken away? And that's just him playing nice.

 Paradigm wrote:
Frankly, I could pick 5 Marvel characters to take on a SM force of any size.

Magneto: renders their tanks and air support useless, and can crush power armour. Basically, anything he pays attention to is dead. Helmet makes him immune to psykers, probably.

Xavier: shuts down any kind of psykers, and with Cerebro, could make the Marines little more than puppets unless they had any kind of psychic defence.

Iron Man: has the firepower to cut them down like wheat, can provide mobility and coordinate attacks.

Thor: air support, ground support, basically unkillable and can annihilate most SM in seconds.

Quicksilver: what good can 100 Marines do if, between them grasping and raising their guns, every single clip, battery or magazine has been taken away? And that's just him playing nice.

Hell, you only really need one. Franklin Richards. Hurray reality warping/manipulation!

Kinda insane if you think about it.

Though im curious if Xavier or any of the telepath connected with a warp pysker would they be able to actually handle the powers of chaos contained within?

Not exactly a imperium win but it could change the tide.

I suppose a better question would be Marval vs something far more insane like necrons or eldar.


Edit: also to be fair the final cap to this would be that space marines dont actually fight foot wars like that.

They will send in a small team to go feth up important gak by suprise using similtanious and devastating strikes. not to mention im sure magneto wouldn't be able to deal with a volcano cannon to the face from orbit. and help em if they have vortex missiles

 Desubot wrote:
Kinda insane if you think about it.

Though im curious if Xavier or any of the telepath connected with a warp pysker would they be able to actually handle the powers of chaos contained within?

Not exactly a imperium win but it could change the tide.

I suppose a better question would be Marval vs something far more insane like necrons or eldar.

Good question. I could be mistaken, but I could of sworn Xavier has clashed minds with other, more powerful entities before. Though the dude has a damn powerful mind. I'd love to know a conclusive answer for this :p

Melevolence wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Frankly, I could pick 5 Marvel characters to take on a SM force of any size.

Magneto: renders their tanks and air support useless, and can crush power armour. Basically, anything he pays attention to is dead. Helmet makes him immune to psykers, probably.

Xavier: shuts down any kind of psykers, and with Cerebro, could make the Marines little more than puppets unless they had any kind of psychic defence.

Iron Man: has the firepower to cut them down like wheat, can provide mobility and coordinate attacks.

Thor: air support, ground support, basically unkillable and can annihilate most SM in seconds.

Quicksilver: what good can 100 Marines do if, between them grasping and raising their guns, every single clip, battery or magazine has been taken away? And that's just him playing nice.

Hell, you only really need one. Franklin Richards. Hurray reality warping/manipulation!

Her, I was staying away from the stupidly OP ones... Kind of. But if it's no holds barred:

Franklin Richards
Mephisto
Senty
Scarlet Witch on a bad day
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet

Great Crusade? Bring it!

Yeah, if the Imperium brings the Warp with them, all those human telepaths like Prof. X and Phoenix are toast. Instant daemonic incursion as 0.2% of the earth's populations' heads instantly explode in a shower of daemon, the likes of which they have no defence against.

Of course, the genuine magic users like Strange and Doom would probably not be quite so vulnerable to the Perils, and that's without getting into the nastiness that someone like Shadowcat could do.

I mean... Shadowcat. Imagine a Necron Wraith, but instead of being a robot caretaker, it's a super-ninja with a pet dragon. Oh, and genius-level IQ, because before she was Shadowcat, she was Sprite, whose main claim to fame was reprogramming Cerebro at age fourteen.

Who was then unofficially adopted by Wolverine.

Who then... I don't even remember where she learned the Ninja, but at some point there were alternate universes involved, and she ended up with the draconic mortal incarnation of the Blackbird as a pet.

Man but this really is assuming there magic = warp magic.

and thats where logic goes completely out the window.

If anything just stealth exterminatus and claim it for the emperor.

Or heck life eater virus alone could take care of it unless they some how knew this was going to happen.

If the life-eater's coming, it's almost certainly in Destiny's Diaries.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
If the life-eater's coming, it's almost certainly in Destiny's Diaries.

Bleg and this is why we cant have nice things.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Yeah, if the Imperium brings the Warp with them, all those human telepaths like Prof. X and Phoenix are toast. Instant daemonic incursion as 0.2% of the earth's populations' heads instantly explode in a shower of daemon, the likes of which they have no defence against.

Of course, the genuine magic users like Strange and Doom would probably not be quite so vulnerable to the Perils, and that's without getting into the nastiness that someone like Shadowcat could do.

I mean... Shadowcat. Imagine a Necron Wraith, but instead of being a robot caretaker, it's a super-ninja with a pet dragon. Oh, and genius-level IQ, because before she was Shadowcat, she was Sprite, whose main claim to fame was reprogramming Cerebro at age fourteen.

Who was then unofficially adopted by Wolverine.

Who then... I don't even remember where she learned the Ninja, but at some point there were alternate universes involved, and she ended up with the draconic mortal incarnation of the Blackbird as a pet.

I guess that would depend, wouldn't it? Only the 40k Psykers require tapping into the warp to pull of their deeds. The Marvel psychics/magic users don't require it and therefore are not linked to it and couldn't get harassed mentally by it's power...right?

 Desubot wrote:
Kinda insane if you think about it.

Though im curious if Xavier or any of the telepath connected with a warp pysker would they be able to actually handle the powers of chaos contained within?

Not exactly a imperium win but it could change the tide.

I suppose a better question would be Marval vs something far more insane like necrons or eldar.


Edit: also to be fair the final cap to this would be that space marines dont actually fight foot wars like that.

They will send in a small team to go feth up important gak by suprise using similtanious and devastating strikes. not to mention im sure magneto wouldn't be able to deal with a volcano cannon to the face from orbit. and help em if they have vortex missiles

The Warp doesn't exist in the Marvel universe in the way it exists in 40K, and their sorcerer/psyker-equivalents get on just fine, so they would not suddenly become subject to Perils of Space Marines suddenly showed up.

 Psienesis wrote:

The Warp doesn't exist in the Marvel universe in the way it exists in 40K, and their sorcerer/psyker-equivalents get on just fine, so they would not suddenly become subject to Perils of Space Marines suddenly showed up.

Well if the warp doesn't exist in marvel universe then the librarians and navigators wouldn't work, and i am to assume no warp drive right? does vortex missiles work off warp?

edit: Also what miko was saying is what i was implying. kinda like a Telepathicily transmitted desease.

 Desubot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

The Warp doesn't exist in the Marvel universe in the way it exists in 40K, and their sorcerer/psyker-equivalents get on just fine, so they would not suddenly become subject to Perils of Space Marines suddenly showed up.

Well if the warp doesn't exist in marvel universe then the librarians and navigators wouldn't work, and i am to assume no warp drive right? does vortex missiles work off warp?

I think the point was that, as the likes if Xavier and Frost don't draw their power from the warp, their heads aren't going to go all explodey just because they become exposed to/aware of the Warp.

 Psienesis wrote:


The Warp doesn't exist in the Marvel universe in the way it exists in 40K, and their sorcerer/psyker-equivalents get on just fine, so they would not suddenly become subject to Perils of Space Marines suddenly showed up.

The thing is, Perils isn't a vulnerability in 40k psykers, it's a fact of life, an intrinsic part of the setting... either the warp and daemons come with the 40k merger, then the telepaths of earth will have open minds that they don't know how to shield against daemonic invasions, because you have to open your mind to use telepathic powers in the marvel universe... or the warp doesn't come with the merger, and the 40k characters suddenly get much more powerful, mystically speaking, because they aren't using up half their power avoiding being possessed.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:


The Warp doesn't exist in the Marvel universe in the way it exists in 40K, and their sorcerer/psyker-equivalents get on just fine, so they would not suddenly become subject to Perils of Space Marines suddenly showed up.

The thing is, Perils isn't a vulnerability in 40k psykers, it's a fact of life, an intrinsic part of the setting... either the warp and daemons come with the 40k merger, then the telepaths of earth will have open minds that they don't know how to shield against daemonic invasions, because you have to open your mind to use telepathic powers in the marvel universe... or the warp doesn't come with the merger, and the 40k characters suddenly get much more powerful, mystically speaking, because they aren't using up half their power avoiding being possessed.

XD and it's discrepancies like this that make 'what ifs' or crossovers such terrible ideas :p

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:


The Warp doesn't exist in the Marvel universe in the way it exists in 40K, and their sorcerer/psyker-equivalents get on just fine, so they would not suddenly become subject to Perils of Space Marines suddenly showed up.

The thing is, Perils isn't a vulnerability in 40k psykers, it's a fact of life, an intrinsic part of the setting... either the warp and daemons come with the 40k merger, then the telepaths of earth will have open minds that they don't know how to shield against daemonic invasions, because you have to open your mind to use telepathic powers in the marvel universe... or the warp doesn't come with the merger, and the 40k characters suddenly get much more powerful, mystically speaking, because they aren't using up half their power avoiding being possessed.

There's nothing stating that a Psyker is using up half, or any, of his power to avoid being possessed... because it is, indeed, a vulnerability to 40k psykers.

Positing that, because 40K invades this universe, then suddenly everyone in this universe has to obey the rules of 40K is... frankly, that's stupid. The Warp and its effects don't exist in the target setting in the first place, so its characters and such are simply not subject to it at all.

Further, nothing in 40K is saying that, were it not for the Warp, Psykers would be 10 times (or any more in any sense) more powerful. That's all down to personal talent... after all, beta and alpha (even alpha-plus) psykers are believed to exist, and do not seem to be particularly "de-powered" by the presence of the Warp.