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I'm trying to think of ways to get murderfang into combat and not be focused immediately. I have not played him but I have an unopened dreadnought box and I really want to use him. One idea i had was to drop 15 blood claws from a stormwolf near an enemy unit and drop murderfang near them. The blood claws then assault and hopefully he's protected well enough until next turn when he can assault.

Other than that the only plan I came up with was to swarm dreads, but that's not an army I want to play. Has anyone had success with him?

My best idea would be to put him in a DP with an axe/shield dread in support. That way at least one dread will probably make it into CC, and murderfang can use the other dread as cover. You might consider this swarming dreads, but I agree its about the only way he works.

How are you timing that plan? The StormWolf w/Bloodclaws wouldn't come in until turn 2 at the soonest... and certainly wouldn't drop the unit off until turn 3... Your Murderfang would drop in on turn 1 or 2....

It's the same problem BA face with furiosos. If you only have one armored unit in your force, it's getting popped as soon as possible from range by the other player. Multiples are the way to go.

Lucious Pattern Droppod

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Lucious Pattern Droppod

This does not work.

"The Lucius Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod has the Assault Vehicle special rule thanks to its larger size and special design, allowing transported Dreadnoughts to assault on the same turn it disembarks from the Drop Pod's structure. However, the Dreadnought may still not assault on the same turn the Drop Pod arrives from deep strike."

"Note that as soon as a Drop Pod is deployed, it's doors are automatically opened to their full extent." Both from pg. 160, Imperial Armor Volume Two- Second Edition.

Basically, you are paying 50 points for a Drop Pod that can ONLY transport a Dreadnought, and provides shrouding the turn it deep strikes, but nothing else. It's a standard Drop Pod. You can pay 35 points for a regular Drop Pod, and have Murderfang jump out and pop smoke for the same effectiveness as paying 50 points for a Lucius Pattern Drop Pod.

Sorry, ever since Hull Points were added into the game, Dreadnoughts have become an absolute waste of points that pretty much do nothing on the table but get blown up. And I say that as someone that plays with Dreads in every list.

Put it in terrain and it will have 2+ save

Unless I'm mistaken, Murderfang actually does not have smoke launchers for some inconceivable reason.

It is impossible. Your opponent will be laughing to hard about you using a model named "Murderfang" to focus on anything else.

You'll probably have better success using him to distract your opponent away from the Blood Claws.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, Murderfang actually does not have smoke launchers for some inconceivable reason.

Ha! Been playing him all this time and never even noticed that. I'm a CHEATER!. Ah, Murderfang, the worst of the worst. LOL

Use him as a piece of terrain. He is pretty much going to be a wreck marker during most of your games with him.

 Tamwulf wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, Murderfang actually does not have smoke launchers for some inconceivable reason.

Ha! Been playing him all this time and never even noticed that. I'm a CHEATER!. Ah, Murderfang, the worst of the worst. LOL

haha I know, I've been wanting to use him and that one little stupid omission makes no sense and just makes him even harder to keep alive... and you KNOW that they did that because they thought he was too good with it.

I've used him to wreck face many times with a big droppod assault. When your opponent has to worry about 2 gray hunter squads a squad of bikers and Thunderwolves murderfang is just another threat.

This gets worse with allied Gray Knights for Purifiers in pods and a Dreadknight.

Take Stormwing, ride in on a Stormraven.

All the murderface hate makes we want to field him just to find out for myself. I'm building a 1500 point army and nothing has drop pods. If I include murderpants he'd be the only one dropping in making him that much more obvious.

Include TWC, that way they can either focus on Murderface or the TWC and one of them will generally get there in reasonable enough shape to punch faces off. Bonus points for including Bjorn as AV13 and re-rolling the pen chart can be rough if you're not expecting it.

If your meta accepts knights, then adding a paladin or errant can definately take the focus off your other armoured stuff.

I actually think he has potential in a list with that managed to fit a crap ton of Drop Pods. I mean, if you wanted a melee Dread (and who hasn't wanted to do that at some point?) he'd be the way to go. He'd be a T3 charger though. Drop all the Grey Hunters first and charge up your TWC, and then bring in the second wave of Grey Hunters and Murderfang.

 Caveman wrote:
All the murderface hate makes we want to field him just to find out for myself. I'm building a 1500 point army and nothing has drop pods. If I include murderpants he'd be the only one dropping in making him that much more obvious.

He'd get absolutely destroyed like that.

The important thing is threat saturation. One unit DSing into your enemy's lines and unable to act turn 1 is.. Well, a distraction at best.

With that said it's important to understand that threat saturation means a combination op things. Not just multiple threats but multiple threats that are roughly the same threat level. To use an example with Orks, 12 ard boyz in a trukk is dangerous, but not nearly so when compared to five Meganobz in a trukk. But similarly, threats need to be hitting at the same time, so that they can't effectively be dealt with as they come into "threat range" or anything of the like.

The reason Murderfang is so lackluster is because people make one of those two errors. Either they don't saturate enough targets ("Shoot the big scary dread!") or they don't have him support ("Shoot the big scary dread that just drop podded solo into our lines!" "Shoot the big scary dread that's slowly trundling across the field, now that we've sunk all of our firepower into the TWC that were rushing us down!"). If you manage to avoid those pitfalls, essentially by running a drop heavy list with lots of super dangerous threats (as foot-slogging your army to melee isn't a great call), he could do work.

As much as I hate to say it, I tend to lean more towards using a shield dread than using Murderfang McMurderface. Infinitely better chance of surviving if you drop it in the right spot. Then again, there is the temptation to run him just because he's Murderdude McMurderall.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
How are you timing that plan? The StormWolf w/Bloodclaws wouldn't come in until turn 2 at the soonest... and certainly wouldn't drop the unit off until turn 3... Your Murderfang would drop in on turn 1 or 2....

The wolves unleashed detachment allow you to choose one unit per turn to enter automatically from reserve, from turn 2 onwards, so, you can instead throw a 10 bloodclaws unit in a first turn drop pod or if you have three you can throw two drop pods, one with the BC and the other with Murderfang.

Take something scarier than the murderfang so they don't focus on it so much?

 n0t_u wrote:
Take something scarier than the murderfang so they don't focus on it so much?

Or make him look less scary. Like paint him pink and give him flowers instead of fists.

 koooaei wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Take something scarier than the murderfang so they don't focus on it so much?

Or make him look less scary. Like paint him pink and give him flowers instead of fists.

Pink is an amusingly intimidating colour for the opponent.

 koooaei wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Take something scarier than the murderfang so they don't focus on it so much?

Or make him look less scary. Like paint him pink and give him flowers instead of fists.

Wouldn't instead focus on killing it faster, due to how ugly and non-grimdark it is?

 n0t_u wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Take something scarier than the murderfang so they don't focus on it so much?

Or make him look less scary. Like paint him pink and give him flowers instead of fists.

Pink is an amusingly intimidating colour for the opponent.

So, i guess pink flowers won't work...What about daisies? They look like open dread fists anywayz!

 Zewrath wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Take something scarier than the murderfang so they don't focus on it so much?

Or make him look less scary. Like paint him pink and give him flowers instead of fists.

Wouldn't instead focus on killing it faster, due to how ugly and non-grimdark it is?

Fear incarnate.


But really, if it works as a distraction do the Eldar thing and play off of it or get a better distraction to distract from the distraction.

 n0t_u wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Take something scarier than the murderfang so they don't focus on it so much?

Or make him look less scary. Like paint him pink and give him flowers instead of fists.

Wouldn't instead focus on killing it faster, due to how ugly and non-grimdark it is?

Fear incarnate.

Spoiler:

But really, if it works as a distraction do the Eldar thing and play off of it or get a better distraction to distract from the distraction.

I've just failed my fear test.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Lucious Pattern Droppod

While it technically only gives Shrouded, you can stay embarked and assault out of it the next turn. Just hope someone doesn't simply run away or you scattered too far off...
Better for a Melta Dread to pod in, shoot it's melta, weather the fire, shoot it's melta and then assault.

Well, since someone mentioned Bjorn, I am actually going through list-building for a tournament right now, and it is very much about the multiple threat vectors.

I have 1500pts, and squeezed in Bjorn in a Pod, Melta Doms in an Immolator scouting up-field, an Imperial Knight and Thunderwolf Cavalry all rushing up table, and an Exorcist in the back field dropping bombs across the table.

Its the ONLY way I have justified dropping Bjorn that close, first turn... as the Melta Doms are already in range, and my opponent's long ranged attacks will have tempting targets all over the place.

So as others have said, either drop a million pods, or ensure that you have so many threat hitting simultaneously (or threatening to), that your opponent splits up fire inefficiently, OR just burns down one durable thing while all your other threats endure to eat them up.

 Tamwulf wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Lucious Pattern Droppod

This does not work.

"The Lucius Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod has the Assault Vehicle special rule thanks to its larger size and special design, allowing transported Dreadnoughts to assault on the same turn it disembarks from the Drop Pod's structure. However, the Dreadnought may still not assault on the same turn the Drop Pod arrives from deep strike."

"Note that as soon as a Drop Pod is deployed, it's doors are automatically opened to their full extent." Both from pg. 160, Imperial Armor Volume Two- Second Edition.

Basically, you are paying 50 points for a Drop Pod that can ONLY transport a Dreadnought, and provides shrouding the turn it deep strikes, but nothing else. It's a standard Drop Pod. You can pay 35 points for a regular Drop Pod, and have Murderfang jump out and pop smoke for the same effectiveness as paying 50 points for a Lucius Pattern Drop Pod.

Sorry, ever since Hull Points were added into the game, Dreadnoughts have become an absolute waste of points that pretty much do nothing on the table but get blown up. And I say that as someone that plays with Dreads in every list.

Unless im mistaken (which I may very likely be) and it is a holdover from 6th - you cannot target passengers in an opentopped vehicle. Since the dreadnaught doesn't have to disembark like a normal drop pod then it still counts as embarked in an opentopped vehicle, therefore only flamers and blasts can effect it. So you would have to destroy the shrouded drop pod before you can target the dread. That would be the advantage over the normal drop pod. Or have I gone wrong somewhere? I'm fully aware this sounds dodgy as you can draw true LoS to the dread, but it is still in an opentopped vehicle, albeit immobilised.