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Ok so I want to boost my WoC up to 3k, but I'm not sure where I need a boost. Heres what I have:


Lord - 525

Daemon Prince - MoN, wings, soul feeder, sword of striking, chaos armour, flaming breath, level 4 Sorcerer, dispel scroll - 525

Hero - 596

Sorcerer - Level 2, MoT, disk of tzeentch, tzeentchs third eye, talisman of preservation, +2 shield, disk of tzeentch - 250

BSB - Exhalted hero - MoN, halberd, helm of many eyes, dawnstone, scaled skin - 211

Core - 653

18 Warriors - shields, MoN, full cmnd, banner of swiftness - 350

18 Warriors - shields, MoN, full cmnd - 335

5 chaos warhounds - 30

5 chaos warhounds - 30

Special - 645

5 Chaos knights - ensorcelled weapons, MoN, musician, standard bearer - 245

Gorebeast Chariot, MoN - 140

6 Chaos Ogres - full command, additional hand weapons, MoK - 270

Rare

3 Skullcrushers - musician, banner, ensorcelled weapons - 254

Total: 2640


So thats 360pts to play around with. I was thinking maybe a lvl 1 death sorcerer in with the warriors, or possibly bolster my core. I'm also considering a lord on a manticore, but don't know if that wold leave me to low on numbers.... Any advice? As I am a massive newbie when it comes to fantasy!

Being low in numbers with WoC isn't really that bad. Actually many lists use chariots to fill their core instead of warrior since their movement is pretty low and WoC wants to be in your face as soon as possible. I however love to field 2 units of 18 just because I love the warrior model.

The 5 knights won't hold imo, they are way to expensive and less resistant than the skull crushers which cost only 9 more points. With that and the points you got left I'd get 2 chimeras with regen and flame breath if possible.

Also the lack of a dispel scroll at 3000 scares me, those 25 points are usually well paid for when denying one of those before your units get into combat powerful spells.

Got a scroll on the DP, definately a neccessity!

Yeah the knights are there as support I guess, to help the warriors grind through whatever they are fighting. But you're right skullcrushers are definately better! I like the idea of the chimeras, they could be fun!

Then your prince is illegal, he can have 25pts of magic items and the scroll is 25pts,you have sword of striking on him. Give him the usual load out (charmed shield really is a must if you face any cannons) and put the dispel scroll on the sorcerer.

Also putting scaled skin on the BSB and not the price, even though your prince is kitted out to be a CC unit he hasnt got a 1+ armour, just a 4+, he wont last long IMO

I would spilt the ogres into two units of 3 with champ and khorne and AHW just for chaff.

I'd find room for a dispel scroll, they are very useful to have.

The problem with foot BSB's is that unless they have scaled skin you can't get their armour save to a 1+ (anything less feels naked to me.) But I occasionally use the same guy but on a horse, which boosts his armour save. Could then stick him with knights, or splash out on a Juggernaut and let him join the crushers.

MarkyMark wrote:
Then your prince is illegal, he can have 25pts of magic items and the scroll is 25pts,you have sword of striking on him. Give him the usual load out (charmed shield really is a must if you face any cannons) and put the dispel scroll on the sorcerer.

Damn didn't notice that! Cheers will rejig it to make it fit.

MarkyMark wrote:
Also putting scaled skin on the BSB and not the price, even though your prince is kitted out to be a CC unit he hasnt got a 1+ armour, just a 4+, he wont last long IMO

Yeah as welshhoppo said the BSB feels a bit vunerable without that 1+, I kept it off the DP as pretty much everything is hitting him on 6's and he has soulfeeder to make up for it

Only in combat.

The last thing you want is to take a face full of poisoned arrows to the face and then have to take a bucket load of saves. The 1+ protects him at range too. He needs to get into combat, so he'll often spend a turn being shot at.

MarkyMark wrote:
Then your prince is illegal, he can have 25pts of magic items and the scroll is 25pts,you have sword of striking on him. Give him the usual load out (charmed shield really is a must if you face any cannons) and put the dispel scroll on the sorcerer.

Also putting scaled skin on the BSB and not the price, even though your prince is kitted out to be a CC unit he hasnt got a 1+ armour, just a 4+, he wont last long IMO

I would spilt the ogres into two units of 3 with champ and khorne and AHW just for chaff.

Need to make it a sorc lord for that if he wants to keep the 3+ ward.

I'd go for something around:

Lords:

Daemon Prince - MoN, Chaos armour, Flight, Scaled skin, soul feeder, wizard lvl1 (death signature probably or any nurgle just for the lore attribute), Charmed Shield, sword of striking

Sorcerer Lord - Wizard lvl4, MoT, Disc of Tz, Armour of destiny, dispel scroll

Heroes:

Exalted Hero - MoT, Barded Daemonic Mount, Halberd, shield, Talisman of preservation, third eye of tz, burning body
Exalted Hero - BSB, MoT, Enchanted Shield, Ironcurse Icon, Sword of Might, Talisman of Protection

Core:

18 Warriors - MoT, FC, shields, Blasted Standard
18 Warriors - MoN, FC, shields, halberds, Banner of Swiftness

Special:

Chimera - Flaming Breath, Regenerating Flesh
Chimera - Flaming Breath, Regenerating Flesh

Rare:

Hellcannon
3 Skullcrushers - Ensorcelled weapons, musician, Gleaming Pennant

Total: 2,999

Not many units but most of them are really fast, the Hellcannon and the Tz mage with the treason of Tz or whatever the spell that uses the lowest ld in the unit and doesn't allow the use of BSB and the general's ld would help to deal some dmg until the warriors get into combat. Meanwhile the DP can snipe monsters/warmachines with death's signature and the chimeras & mounted hero can select easy targets to weaken the enemy until the warriors are near

Didn't know where to spend the last 25ish points so decked the BSB to have 2+ sv 5+ ward and S6 attacks

Ok tell me how you think this looks:

Lord

DP - MoN, wings, soul feeder, sword of striking, chaos armour, flaming breath, level 4 Sorcerer (Nurgle), charmed shield, scaled skin (now has 1+/5++)

Heroes

Sorcerer - level 2 (Tzeentch), MoT, disk of tzeentch, tzeentchs third eye, talisman of preservation, +2 shield, disk of tzeentch - 250

Sorcerer (death) - Level 1, MoN, dispel scroll - 145

BSB - Exhalted hero - MoN, halberd, helm of many eyes, dawnstone, 191 (down to 3+ armour)

Core

18 Warriors - shields, MoN, full cmnd, banner of swiftness - 350

18 Warriors - shields, MoN, full cmnd - 335

(Warriors are allready painted nurgle and all have sword and board)

5 chaos warhounds - 30

5 chaos warhounds - 30

Special

Chaos knights - ensorcelled weapons, MoN, musician, standard bearer - 245

Gorebeast Chariot, MoN - 140

5 Chaos Ogres - full command, additional hand weapons, MoK - 230

Chimera - regenerating flesh, flaming breath - 275

Rare

3 Skullcrushers - musician, banner, ensorcelled weapons - 254

Total: 3000

Thats 3000pts on the nose. Took a cheap death sorcerer to scroll and the death spells are all pretty decent, and a chimera. Could still drop knights and ogres for that 2nd chimera...


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@Lord Yayula thanks for the feedback thats a good looking list, though it maybe a few more extra units than I can afford atm

I'd take that second chimera, then your opponent will have 2 chimeras, the DP and the sorcerer as targets for warmachines.

If you are taking the 2nd sorc only for the scroll you can leave him without mark and still join any units, take one of the BRB lores allowed to chaos, the fire signature might help against regen, or shadow's signature to debuff an enemy unit.

Your DP now has 1+/5++, with those pts from the mark you might want to give a magic banner to either the skullcrushers or the 2nd warriors, or better yet try to take 10 more points out of something and get a spell familiar on the lvl2 sorc, to look for those sweet tz lore spells and channel on 5+ with re-rolls on 1.

Yeah unmarked sorcerer does sound better, as I was going to run him with death anyway.

Dropping another ogre would give me 50pts to play with, but the lvl 2 tzeentch sorcerer can't take a familiar as he's already maxed on magic items.

Could make the new sorcerer a level 2, but he's a bit unprotected. Or go with banners, maybe a banner of rage for the skullcrushers, then I'm not sure.

Nah, banner of rage on the skullcrushers isn't good, if they lose combat and therefore their frenzy then you are pretty much left with 1 juggy and the banner won't save him from whatever they are facing that is if they don't run.

The daemonic gifts are on a separate limit even if the gift says it is a magic item. Iirc you have something around 30 pts heroes can spend on daemonic gifts

You could also merge both sorcerer into a lvl 3-4 lord with one extra wound and the increased magic items capacity so that you could take the dispel scroll

 welshhoppo wrote:
Only in combat.

The last thing you want is to take a face full of poisoned arrows to the face and then have to take a bucket load of saves. The 1+ protects him at range too. He needs to get into combat, so he'll often spend a turn being shot at.

Thats what I was thinking of, skinks with javs will ping wounds off him and WE's with hagbanes will be putting him on 5+ 5+, not to mention spells. Most tourny lists have a way of dealing with princes as well (they have to).

the third eye of tzeentch means he can't take the familiar as its too many points for both.

Merging the sorcerers could be alright, but expensive on points.

I could put the familiar on the DP, nurgles a decent lore and at level 4 it could be a good choice. Then the other two can hopefully suppliment him with the other lores.

Then with the last 25pts I could maybe give the new sorcerer a dragonhelm and the gold sigil sword to give him a combat boost (as he'll be in with the warriors)