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So what is everyone thinking about what BoLS is floating around with GW making Horus Heresy Plastics?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/02/breaking-horus-heresy-plastic-box-details.html

I personally am irritated that all the money thrown at FW resin has been sort of wasted... there I said it. Nothing new with miniatures I guess and yea I know its not really wasted.

I wonder if they will be near as cheap as people are hoping. More options perhaps, but with an eyebrow lifting price tag...


Discuss....

kveldulf wrote:


I wonder if they will be near as cheap as people are hoping.


Discuss....

Somewhat old news I'm afraid.



However as far as one can see the thread(s) where this was discussed have either moved on or finished so we'll leave this one open for now.

 Pete Melvin wrote:

kveldulf wrote:


I wonder if they will be near as cheap as people are hoping.


Discuss....

So long as it works out cheaper than Forge World and includes at least the basic options, I can see myself buying them. £26 for 10 like the BA Tacticals seems reasonable, maybe up to £30 if they want to have a HH tax. Beyond that, I'll stick to Anvil/Kromlech for my old-Mark armour needs.

Price aside, though, I am rather massively looking forward to it. Plastic HH stuff would mean far easier conversion, presumably lower cost and make bulking out a HH army far easier, which can only be a good thing. Not fussed about the rules, really, so long as I can get Mk3-5 in plastic I'll be happy. Plastic Cataphractii Terminators would put me over the moon!

The only part I don't like the sound of is that the LotR/Hobbit range will be going Direct Only to make space for this. It's represented little enough as it is, but the prices are only really justifiable through discounters. If that ceases to be an option, GW will have seen my last LotR-related pound, and in future it will go to Perry, Wargames Factory and various others.

 reds8n wrote:
Somewhat old news I'm afraid.



However as far as one can see the thread(s) where this was discussed have either moved on or finished so we'll leave this one open for now.

Yea, I was a bit surprised that none could be found in the rumors section. Thank you.

Quality and consistency are my main concern - will they look as good as and, more importantly, match the FW stuff I already have? Will the Mk III armour they produce look similar enough to the Salamanders torsos/Mk III legs I have, or will they match the 'Armour Through The Ages' set?

Personally, though, I'm hoping the sub-rumor attached to this one - that GW stores will start carrying a limited amout of FW product and/or allowing free ship orders to GW stores - pans out. Be nice not to have to worry about exchange rate charges while working on my 20 Dread HH Salamanders list.

I am unhappy, other stuff is needed within the 40k setting, and working on the HH stuff is a none sale to me.
Unless forgeworld starts working on stuff for 40k and the other races it will end up as something more to ignore from GW.
Would have rather them put more effort into getting the hobbit, lord of the rings stuff affordable and try and give it the revival it needs.
In the end, for me is a meh.

So GW is trying to drive FW out of the market?

I thought they are essentially partners?

 Norn King wrote:
So GW is trying to drive FW out of the market?

I thought they are essentially partners?

What GW is doing (if this pans out as stated) is opening the door to Forge World's HH range, by providing cheaper, entry-level models that they get people looking at Forge World. What has always put me off about a proper HH army is not the price of the specific Elites so much as the core of the army: £70-ish for a (minimum size 10-man) Tactical Squad is just not a price I can stomach. On the other hand, their older Terminator Marks or legion-specific stuff isn't wildly expensive when you consider a) how many points these units cost and b) you're only likey to need 1 set in most lists.

What GW will offer, according to these rumours, is the very basics (plastic HH PA and possibly TDA sets), which then get people into dropping the cash on more expensive Forge World stuff.

 Norn King wrote:
So GW is trying to drive FW out of the market?

I thought they are essentially partners?

Subsidiaries of the same company along with Black Library.

And apparently, the rumors are at some level true. There appears to be a Horus Heresy page on the GW site. Blank as now, but it doesn't bring up a 404 error like when you try to access an old, no-longer-on-site file.

Maybe this is part of the FW website being rolled into the GW main website thing.
There was rumours about it a while back when the new GW site rumours cropped up.

The original rumor was posted by Hastings on Warseer about a week ago

There will be
- A standalone Boxed Game
- It takes place before or in the early days of the Horus Heresy
- It is produced and sold by GW
- It will contain plastic HH miniatures
- The game will be sold for circa 6 months
- The miniatures of this set will be sold seperately afterwards

And most important: Hastings hinted at a different ruleset to the current 40k one. He has no information what that means but the GW HH miniature boxes will come with rules for 40k and 30k.

We had a discussion about it in the Mark IX Armour thread which then ended in the conclusion by the original source Duffybear that the Mark IX is probably only the Mark IV or something similiar for the HH Boxed Game.

Hastings doesn't know yet when the HH Boxed Game will be released

A good overview can be found here: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?405659-Plastic-(GW-produced)-Warhammer-30K


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 Carlson793 wrote:
Quality and consistency are my main concern - will they look as good as and, more importantly, match the FW stuff I already have? Will the Mk III armour they produce look similar enough to the Salamanders torsos/Mk III legs I have, or will they match the 'Armour Through The Ages' set?

Personally, though, I'm hoping the sub-rumor attached to this one - that GW stores will start carrying a limited amout of FW product and/or allowing free ship orders to GW stores - pans out. Be nice not to have to worry about exchange rate charges while working on my 20 Dread HH Salamanders list.

Yeah...the real issue for me is the size. The FW marks aren't quite the size of the GW Mk.7. It would make sense for them to make the 30K plastics the same scale as 40K so that they get some cross-selling. But that'd also mean that some of the FW parts and accessories won't work well with the plastics.

I have a feeling that I'm going to be stuck buying the FW infantry to finish my HH army (note that "stuck" is a self-imposed condition based on my desire for a uniform army). *shrug* But the plastics should be great news for anyone starting HH, and great news for everyone playing HH since it may become easier to find opponents, etc.

Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

 the_Armyman wrote:
Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

I reckon there is. FW prices (especially, as I pointed out before, for the basics of an army) are pretty insane, even by GW standards, and plastic HH marines would get me using GW product for my 30k stuff rather than Anvil/Kromlech, which is good for them. I'd hazard a guess that there are many like myself that would love to play 30k on a significant scale, but balk every time we see the cost.

Official 30k kit in plastic and resin aftermarket parts provided by themselves........

GW 'Chapterhoused'

Those geniuses have done it again!

Am I the only one who was excited to read that there will be rules for Xenos?

if GW really is about collectors, I would love to see a plastic set which is a bunch of cinematic Primarch figures and such. Imagine Space Hulk but 11 really unique character sculpts.

If money and time was no object- sure I'd get stuck into HH. I have half a battle company of Dark Angels, a dozen or so Ravenwing and a good number of Deathwing at the moment though so I'm good for my space marine crack.

 Sol Invictus wrote:
Am I the only one who was excited to read that there will be rules for Xenos?

In the current age of darkness expansion their was nothing stopping you from running any of the 40k xeno armies plus anything fw put out.. If anything most hh units are over coasted compared to anything you can pull out of a 40k army....

But knowing their will be xeno in the gw hh rule set is still good news. I just hope chaos gets represented. Forge world has been teasing me with chaos legion for too long. I want them now! Lol

So long as FW maintain control of the actual 'Horus Heresy', no problem with this. Quite interested to see what actually comes out of this (especially following comments at the HH Weekender) and what kind of following the GW section of this gets

 Lockark wrote:

 Sol Invictus wrote:
Am I the only one who was excited to read that there will be rules for Xenos?

In the current age of darkness expansion their was nothing stopping you from running any of the 40k xeno armies plus anything fw put out.. If anything most hh units are over coasted compared to anything you can pull out of a 40k army....

But knowing their will be xeno in the gw hh rule set is still good news. I just hope THE IMPERIUM gets represented. Forge world has been teasing me with IMPERIAL TANKS AND SPACE MARINE VEHICLE VARIANTS I want them now! Lol

FW fixed that last bit for you.

Wow. I've missed the previous postings, but 30k figures are one thing that could potentially tempt me to buying more GW product. I'm sure the prices will be nuts enough that I won't start a new army or buy the rulebooks, but it'd be nice to add a few old-school units to my BA army.

Very smart move on GW's part IMHO. I agree with Paradigm, that this could be very good for Forge World. Even if there's a bit of size difference, at the very least, folks could get their infantry from GW and vehicles and such from FW.

nkelsch wrote:
if GW really is about collectors, I would love to see a plastic set which is a bunch of cinematic Primarch figures and such. Imagine Space Hulk but 11 really unique character sculpts.

If unique character sculpts are desired and collectors are the market, then the primarchs would be much better in metal or resin. Plastic is much better suited to line troops and non-unique characters that may be used by different players in different configurations.

 Eilif wrote:
Wow. I've missed the previous postings, but 30k figures are one thing that could potentially tempt me to buying more GW product. I'm sure the prices will be nuts enough that I won't start a new army or buy the rulebooks, but it'd be nice to add a few old-school units to my BA army.

Very smart move on GW's part IMHO. I agree with Paradigm, that this could be very good for Forge World. Even if there's a bit of size difference, at the very least, folks could get their infantry from GW and vehicles and such from FW.

nkelsch wrote:
if GW really is about collectors, I would love to see a plastic set which is a bunch of cinematic Primarch figures and such. Imagine Space Hulk but 11 really unique character sculpts.

If unique character sculpts are desired and collectors are the market, then the primarchs would be much better in metal or resin. Plastic is much better suited to line troops and non-unique characters that may be used by different players in different configurations.

But gamers are not the target market and are not what is the focus of GW.

Space Hulk showed how they can make multiple unique and quality sculpts in a sprue... If they did so with the HH characters like Primarchs, it would be really cool and people would buy them for collecting.

Not all 'collecting' requires expensive models.

I think a game focused around the events leading up to the death of the emperor via the primarchs would be awesome too.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 Sol Invictus wrote:
Am I the only one who was excited to read that there will be rules for Xenos?

In the current age of darkness expansion their was nothing stopping you from running any of the 40k xeno armies plus anything fw put out.. If anything most hh units are over coasted compared to anything you can pull out of a 40k army....

But knowing their will be xeno in the gw hh rule set is still good news. I just hope THE IMPERIUM gets represented. Forge world has been teasing me with IMPERIAL TANKS AND SPACE MARINE VEHICLE VARIANTS I want them now! Lol

FW fixed that last bit for you.

Nah, that's just not true! I been putting spikes on my tanks like a good minion of chaos.

XP

I actually go out of my way to convert my marines so they don't look uniform. So as look at they look like old Armour and look cool I'm happy. I love sending in waves of bolter goons.

If this rumor proves true, I'd actually like to pick up a squad or two of Heresey-era SMs. My homebrew Chapter dates back to the Second Founding, and so it should have a bunch of older armor marks. Plastic Mk 4s and 5s would allow me to give my army to look I've wanted it to have, but could never afford.

The thing is my perception, and I suspect that of other gamers and especially FW, of Heresy or pre-Heresy battles is that they would have been massive.

Legion vs Legion is GW's wet dream, HUGE games of 40K where both sides are their best selling product - Space Marines.

Then add to the fact that the Heresy players have gone Ad-Mech and Knight crazy and I think the pound signs must have been flashing before their eyes.

However most gamers simply can't afford to recreate battles on such an epic scale because the basic meat and potatoes of your army - the marines - are prohibitively expensive.

I think initially when FW started producing HH Marines they were primarily intended for collectors, but the whole thing has spiralled massively. Over half my regular gaming group now play 30K almost exclusively.

So add in plastic core troops ans suddenly everyone can afford to start fielding proper armies, with FW selling all the extras.

I think this really is an untapped gold mine, and I for one am very, very excited.

 Sol Invictus wrote:
Am I the only one who was excited to read that there will be rules for Xenos?

I wouldn't get my hopes up. It could be as simple as a list of various troops choices and a statement saying these units have their maximum size increased by X.

 the_Armyman wrote:
Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

Actually, I think it might be the other way around. I think GW might be trying to lure previously 40K-only players in for HH then, due to limited unit selection from GW, get them interested in buying FW stuff so they can field competitive units like Sicarans and Typhons and Spartans (oh my!). Not that FW necessarily needs the extra sales, but it can't hurt the company to get people previously uninterested in FW products to make a purchase.

Warhams-77 wrote:
The original rumor was posted by Hastings on Warseer about a week ago
And most important: Hastings hinted at a different ruleset to the current 40k one. He has no information what that means but the GW HH miniature boxes will come with rules for 40k and 30k.

I don't think it'd need a new ruleset (that can be covered in maybe 8 pages with Age of Darkness FoCs, allies matrix, and special rules for 'new' weapons like Volkites), but it might be a reference to the need for a new 'codex' to represent the Legiones Astartes. Perhaps a digest sized version of the Crusade Army List with a few tid-bits thrown in from the Isstvan Campaign Legions book and various Mechanicum/Imperial Army units of the era.

The details of the Horus Heresy, revealed...

Rules for Primarchs...

And now plastic Horus Heresy models AND a game from GW?!?

This truly is...The End Times!